VN Ren'Py Stains of Blue [v1.6b BETA] [Zetzsuu]

[zetsupetsu]

whoa and the current is the "most submissive" wife ---> husband version?

Let me be more blunt - for me, and many I talk to, they DON'T like that part of traditional nts games where the husband has these constant self-doubting dialogues; like - "How can I possible tell her this? I need to bury these desires!"

I totally respect that for many that's a draw and expected in the setup, not coming down on fans of this!

But if the husband here is kinda a wet mop on the path where the wife is submissive and demure, I can't imagine he'll be made more confident on the path where the wife assumes a dominant role.

Ah, I see what you mean. I doubt you have to worry about that in the future. That will just make all that build up for mc's come uppance all for naught if he backtracks to how he was before.

In case I didn't make this clear in the dialogue, think of mc after the accident being "reborn" and he fully embraces his nts kink full time with no remorse. this is where your chosen netorase dynamic will start to come in.

 

[ffive]

An AI cg game with NTR and stuff that doesn't have comments crying about it, but it's praised instead? I'm surprised...

I think a large part of it is that it's a "normal" VN instead of the lazy flavor-of-the-year phone games which strip the narrative to bare bones.

Personally, I think adding an option to select the body part/position for sex scenes dumbs down the current feature to just shallowly assuming the body part focus is simply for the sex scenes.

Currently when you select a body part focus it's not just the sex scene you are changing. the scenes, dialogue and what the bulls will be fixated on/commenting about, will all change.

To be frank, having this feature include more aspects and be a major focus in the whole narrative and not just sex scenes doesn't make it any less shallow -- it inherently is. Presuming that a person can only be obsessed with a single body part is dumbing those characters down to irritating degree, which is extra problematic when the person in question is the MC. It also risks making things quickly boring in the long run, when half of MC's internal monologues is self-hate and the other half is e.g. boobs boobs boobs boobs. boobs. boobs.

 

[Loner25]

That music is incredible… I’m wordless!

 

[Fiz1247]

Feel like this games making the same mistake as other NTS games in the stag/confident route which are just covert cuck routes. Why does your ability to perform sexually with your wife is sabotaged due to your kink? And also delusions scenes describing how he wants other men to fuck her *better* then he ever could implying he's inadequate, this stuff might make sense in the cuck route but not the Stag one.

 

[MagicMan753]

Personally, I think adding an option to select the body part/position for sex scenes dumbs down the current feature to just shallowly assuming the body part focus is simply for the sex scenes.

Currently when you select a body part focus it's not just the sex scene you are changing. the scenes, dialogue and what the bulls will be fixated on/commenting about, will all change. I understand the FOMO, but you can't just simply add a dialogue option on every scene variation happening just to give the player the ability to view all 3 variation selections every time. That will break immersion.

I just disagree, and changing more than just a sex scene makes it more shallow in my opinion. I rather focus on the character as a whole, not just boobs, or butt, etc. I care about the whole girl, and having it be all about one body part feels bad and you are right about FOMO, its too much.

I am fine with multiple playthroughs, but this seems like too much. And you say it would break immersion, you decide that, you are the wtiter, you can write in a way that it doesn't break immersion, so that is a your choice thing, a d you are choosing to make it more shallow, imo.

I just can't get behind playing the same route different body part, its too much. Couple that witht the MC's glasses, that make it hard for take him serious cause he literally looks like a cartoon caricature with them on. Its a shame, I wish you luck, but I can't get behind these two things. Shame cause it started out so good and art was unique. Shame, wanted to play, but good luck.

 

[zetsupetsu]

I just disagree, and changing more than just a sex scene makes it more shallow in my opinion. I rather focus on the character as a whole, not just boobs, or butt, etc. I care about the whole girl, and having it be all about one body part feels bad and you are right about FOMO, its too much.

I am fine with multiple playthroughs, but this seems like too much. And you say it would break immersion, you decide that, you are the wtiter, you can write in a way that it doesn't break immersion, so that is a your choice thing, a d you are choosing to make it more shallow, imo.

I just can't get behind playing the same route different body part, its too much. Couple that witht the MC's glasses, that make it hard for take him serious cause he literally looks like a cartoon caricature with them on. Its a shame, I wish you luck, but I can't get behind these two things. Shame cause it started out so good and art was unique. Shame, wanted to play, but good luck.

We can just agree to disagree. I appreciate you trying out the demo, regardless.

I already explained this in the original dev thread, but the reason is that I'm actually a massive boobs guy, and if it were up to me, I'd want everything to be focused around boobs and nothing else. Adding the body part option was a way for me compromise and train me to write more about other body parts.

But honestly if I could write everything to revolve around boobs I would, but that would limit the audience.


As for the eyeglasses, adding an option to remove it would be a massive undertaking. You're asking me to redo every CG for a no eyeglass version that's just impractical. Pubes are easy since they're only sex scenes, but eyeglasses are on every shot of MC so this will take a bigger effort.
Why the glasses? Well I was a massive Tsukihime fan back in the day and it was my first VN, so I always felt like characters with glasses felt the most "ambigous" to me since you can just tint his glasses to have that same effect most VN protagonists have where they make their hair cover their eyes. It at least is unique in that regard.


We can agree that this is an art direction issue and I respectfully, refuse to remove the MC's glasses. It looking "goofy" is subjective, as I personally think they look badass especially when they do that typical glass adjusting pose.

Also Person 4's Yu Narukami is a massive sigma chad and he looks great with glasses. I like to think MC will be like that full of confidence especially if you are a Stag or Pimp.

 

[ffive]

I already explained this in the original dev thread, but the reason is that I'm actually a massive boobs guy, and if it were up to me, I'd want everything to be focused around boobs and nothing else. Adding the body part option was a way for me compromise and train me to write more about other body parts.

But honestly if I could write everything to revolve around boobs I would, but that would limit the audience.

It might be better to just rename the game to Boobs of Blue (i kid, but it would help potential audience to notice it) and fully indulge yourself, if this is the case. Forcing yourself to write about something that doesn't really interest you, especially when the game is still forcing the player to pick what single flavor of "massive X focus" they're going to get at the end of the day, i honestly don't think this is going to help much in finding broader audience, and you only risk getting burnt out quicker, when 2/3rd of the content you're covering isn't up your alley.

Catering to a niche (in a manner that isn't common, i can't really think off the bat of any porn game with what you could call boob obsession) can be a solid marketing strategy, too.

 

[maelontuchanka]

To be frank, having this feature include more aspects and be a major focus in the whole narrative and not just sex scenes doesn't make it any less shallow -- it inherently is. Presuming that a person can only be obsessed with a single body part is dumbing those characters down to irritating degree, which is extra problematic when the person in question is the MC. It also risks making things quickly boring in the long run, when half of MC's internal monologues is self-hate and the other half is e.g. boobs boobs boobs boobs. boobs. boobs.

I just disagree, and changing more than just a sex scene makes it more shallow in my opinion. I rather focus on the character as a whole, not just boobs, or butt, etc. I care about the whole girl, and having it be all about one body part feels bad and you are right about FOMO, its too much.

I am fine with multiple playthroughs, but this seems like too much. And you say it would break immersion, you decide that, you are the wtiter, you can write in a way that it doesn't break immersion, so that is a your choice thing, a d you are choosing to make it more shallow, imo.

I just can't get behind playing the same route different body part, its too much. Couple that witht the MC's glasses, that make it hard for take him serious cause he literally looks like a cartoon caricature with them on. Its a shame, I wish you luck, but I can't get behind these two things. Shame cause it started out so good and art was unique. Shame, wanted to play, but good luck.

Just sharing my two cents here but I genuinely don't understand wtf is the problem here when we already have the option to choose both tits and ass at the same time?
Adding feet in there makes no sense because there's a larger subset of people who like both tits and ass and couldnt care less for feet AND feet fetish people who couldn't care about anything else other than feet.

Surely two playthroughs of one focused on classic erogenous zones and one where everything is about feet isn't too much no? They're practically different experiences you can't just lump in feet in there with the rest, especially since in this game on the feet option it changes all mc's fixation on her feet, which imo is perfectly in line with how majority of foot fetishists act.

 

[ffive]

Just sharing my two cents here but I genuinely don't understand wtf is the problem here when we already have the option to choose both tits and ass at the same time?

The fact that there's more to women than just tits and ass, and it quickly turns boring when it's the only thing the entire game slobbers over? Additionally, apparently choosing "both" actually gives you just a subset of each of these two options, so if you choose both you're potentially missing some of the content for either of these.

I mean, if you allow a poor analogy, the whole thing has about as much sense as asking the player whether they want sex scenes to be only oral, only vaginal, or only anal. And if you choose "vaginal and anal" you only get foreplay for these.

 

[maelontuchanka]

The fact that there's more to women than just tits and ass, and it quickly turns boring when it's the only thing the entire game slobbers over? Additionally, apparently choosing "both" actually gives you just a subset of each of these two options, so if you choose both you're potentially missing some of the content that has focus on either of these.

and what else is there? PERSONALITY???

There literally no other body part left ass covers the entire lower area from thighs below except the feet and tits are tits.
the other normal ones like lips, neck, pussy and whatever else is left don't need categorization because they're automatically incoporated in the scene anyway.

So are you really wanting to focus on her personality??

 

[ffive]

There literally no other body part left ass covers the entire lower area from thighs below except the feet and tits are tits.

Genuine question, have you slept through biology classes?

No, "ass" doesn't extend all way to feet. These body parts are called "legs". And no, the "butt focus" makes no mention of them.

the other normal ones like lips, neck, pussy and whatever else is left don't need categorization because they're automatically incoporated in the scene anyway.

That's the thing, with the game taking absurdly narrow focus most of those other parts are not "automatically incorporated" because they aren't considered worthy of interest and as such hardly get a mention. Have you checked out the author's post a bit above, about what his ideal approach to writing the scenes would be? Take a look.

 

[maelontuchanka]

Genuine question, have you slept through biology classes?

No, "ass" doesn't extend all way to feet. These body parts are called "legs". And no, the "butt focus" makes no mention of them.


That's the thing, with the game taking absurdly narrow focus most of those other parts are not "automatically incorporated" because they aren't considered worthy of interest and as such hardly get a mention. Have you checked out the author's post a bit above, about what his ideal approach to writing the scenes would be? Take a look.

I mean did you even play the game? There's plenty of kissing and tongue action already, some neck kissing (you can't really hyperfocus on that that'd be just stupid) and vagina is a given, there's even cunnilingus.

So idk wtf is the complaint about it not having any focus because like I said, they are automatically incorporated.

 

[Back]

Hey zetsupetsu, I hope everything in your personal life is going well. When you disappeared before we all assumed that things were getting busy in your real life but were also optimistically happy for you (since things were on the upswing with that girl and job and all, iirc).

Anyway, getting back to the game here. Any new developments on the Patreon front following your appeals, or just radio silence from them still? Have you considered other platforms too such as SubscribeStar? Been busy so I admit I haven't followed all the latest progress reports on the project but have you mostly solidified your cast of characters that'll appear in the game? Will they mostly be similar to the potential cast from the last iterition of the project, or has the potential partner list expanded to include other types of characters as well? (Ngl, the shota character was really off-putting, but everyone likes what they like and you're free to create whatever you enjoy so no worries! Just allow us to avoid certain ones if possible, haha.)

 

[ffive]

I mean did you even play the game?

Yes. What i got were repeated generic mention of "beautiful curves" mixed with, paraphrasing, "look at that ass, it's magnificent" and "those boobs, hot damn" (i selected "both" as "focus") NGL, i kinda clocked out after a few such passages with nothing else.

Ironically, it'd be probably easier to overlook that there's nothing else if the game didn't telegraph upfront that this is what it'll be focusing on.

 

[maelontuchanka]

Yes. What i got were repeated generic mention of "beautiful curves" mixed with, paraphrasing, "look at that ass, it's magnificent" and "those boobs, hot damn" (i selected "both" as "focus") NGL, i kinda clocked out after a few such passages with nothing else.

Ironically, it'd be probably easier to overlook that there's nothing else if the game didn't telegraph upfront that this is what it'll be focusing on.

Well then I mean the game's clearly not for you then.

On the other hand this body part focus thing is one of the main selling points for most of us here because it's doing something entirely unique where it gives players agency on what to focus on.

If youve been to the discord there's a similar post to scrap it but was ratioed.

 

[ffive]

Well then I mean the game's clearly not for you then.

On the other hand this body part focus thing is one of the main selling points for most of us here because it's doing something entirely unique where it gives players agency on what to focus on.

Yes, the way the game approaches writing scenes is something which will appeal to people who are into hyper-focus on specific body part, and not really to people who aren't into such approach. Which was my point in the first place, so you are not telling me anything i haven't been saying already...

And if the author wants to do it this way, that's fine. But like i was saying, it also means that he may be better off fully embracing this specific approach, instead of chasing wider audience who aren't likely to be equally drawn to something they don't particularly enjoy, if not outright dislike.

 

[Shiko200]

Hope this game grows big we need more good ai games if ai games are gonna keep growing here now.

 

[awer567]

Where can i get the non demo version? Are there a steam page?

 

[zetsupetsu]

We are soo back! Our new Patreon page is up!

Unfortunately the previous one got deleted due to mentions of specific "no-no" words in the public posts and for some reason Patreon refuses to reinstate it no matter how many times I try to appeal.

So now I'm left with 0 dollars gained from any of the Patreon subscriptions since last month, and this scummy company managed to steal 600 USD that I haven't withdrawn yet, unfortunately.

To all returning Patreons, I urge you to PLEASE REFUND your subscriptions from the previous account. It's not right they get to keep that.

Fortunately enough I manage to register and validate this account a month BEFORE the ban so this is a legal loophole where I can still manage to get my page up and running again.

That being said, with some minor setbacks aside, development of the game is still going well.

I'm publishing a new Demo version that simply removes the specific Patreon-sensitive content that was mentioned in the game just to be on the safe side.


New Patreon page:

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[Nimbus Commando]

Does this have any cuckqueen.