VN Ren'Py Abandoned Steps to Rome [v0.1] [Passione Games]

[Papysh]

Hey its not bad i believe in you, just keep doing it and you will see how it returns not in terms of money but your self improvement in game development, focus on art rather than gameplay i think your team should experiment with different color palete and lower saturation of specific colors i.e that girl's red hair on the thumbnail. Thanks for your post in encouraged me to post playable here myself and believe in myself a little more. Remember just dont stop grind it like its old school runescape xp
oh, and bottom of the ear should start at the bottom of the nose up to the top height of an eye this way it looks more natural to me, you can pm me if you need help with aesthetics i might help

 

[Kalkreth]

so thanks for all the feedback and we're taking your advices into consideration and came up with a quick redrawing. What do you guys think? I still feel like we have room to improve so i'd like your advices on that matter. Thanks again.

 

[DaughterOfPluto]

so thanks for all the feedback and we're taking your advices into consideration and came up with a quick redrawing. What do you guys think? I still feel like we have room to improve so i'd like your advices on that matter. Thanks again.

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Definitely an improvement. The softer features make any minor inconsistencies stand out much less. Your proportions are still a little off, but not to the extent that they were in some of the earlier pictures. The head and neck are a bit too big for the body you put them on and the arms are still a little thin, but otherwise the body is pretty good. The face is much better than before, the only real 'issues' are the mouth and ears, which are a bit too big and too small respectively.

Now this upcoming part is going to be a little more subjective. This softer, less solid style is much much better than the one used previously. While you might be tempted to go full solid, bright color as you were before, I would suggest sticking with this more muted pastel-y palette. And don't go too hard on the removal of sketch lines, while you should remove the bigger ones, keeping a few of the smaller ones around the final linework will make the lines feel more fleshed out and finished, and much less jagged.

 

[Bryan AC]

The art grows on you when you get into the story, which I did.... I hope to see more....I really enjoyed it.

 

[whichone]

Pretty sure "and" after a comma is just fine, and in some cases downright necessary. Otherwise it would be rather hard to list anything- "cats, dogs, naked mole rats are all mammals" is a much worse sentence than "cats, dogs, and naked mole rats are all mammals".

And I don't think the rule against starting sentences with "and" holds much water either. Per Merriam-Webster, it's been used that way from the 9th century down through Elements of Style. I don't think there's a style guide in the world that can overturn that history.

lol just because someone got it wrong way back when and it found its way to print doesn't make it right, it has never been grammatically correct to begin a sentence with a conjunction. What are you conjoining? The previous sentence? Then it shouldn't be closed. If you're not conjoining it, then don't begin with "and".
Never mind style guides, just follow basic logic.

The single place where a comma can follow and is when listing components.
"x, y, z, & back to a." but never in the usage I quoted.
It did not follow a sequential listing in the post I responded to.
(Lists must contain more than 2 items and the ", and" should only come before the final entry.)
This is known as an "Oxford comma" & is optional.

Both instances that I quoted to are completely incorrect, grammatically.

"Pretty sure "and" after a comma is just fine, and in some cases downright necessary."
The comma you've placed before the "and" should come after it. The piece of your statement that is separate and is only there to act as qualifier is "in some cases".
Your sentence should read: "Pretty sure "and" after a comma is just fine and, in some cases, downright necessary."
Using ",and" is only really for linking independent clauses.
e.g. "It's raining, and I can't find my umbrella."
Both are independent of each other. Despite being linked, they each stand alone as a sentence in their own right. In this case it is grammatically correct to use ",and".
"I switched on the TV and we sat down to watch."
"I switched on the TV is independent, but "and we sat down to watch" is not, so should not be separated. In this case it is not grammatically correct to use ",and".

I do not mind about someone's grammar, it's not really worthy of debate.
The only reason I brought it up in the first place up was because of the irony, that the original guy I responded to was picking up on poor grammar.
As such I found it amusing & ironic that his post contained those 2 elements.

 

[bulifun]

femdom would fit this game perfectly

 

[JerryCanDoIt]

I do not mind about someone's grammar, it's not really worthy of debate.
The only reason I brought it up in the first place up was because of the irony, that the original guy I responded to was picking up on poor grammar.
As such I found it amusing & ironic that his post contained those 2 elements.

*Whoosh*

 

[Kalkreth]

femdom would fit this game perfectly

we're going to have femdom elements don't you worry.

 

[AlBetGam]

lol just because someone got it wrong way back when and it found its way to print doesn't make it right, it has never been grammatically correct to begin a sentence with a conjunction. What are you conjoining? The previous sentence? Then it shouldn't be closed. If you're not conjoining it, then don't begin with "and".
Never mind style guides, just follow basic logic.

The single place where a comma can follow and is when listing components.
"x, y, z, & back to a." but never in the usage I quoted.
It did not follow a sequential listing in the post I responded to.
(Lists must contain more than 2 items and the ", and" should only come before the final entry.)
This is known as an "Oxford comma" & is optional.

Both instances that I quoted to are completely incorrect, grammatically.

"Pretty sure "and" after a comma is just fine, and in some cases downright necessary."
The comma you've placed before the "and" should come after it. The piece of your statement that is separate and is only there to act as qualifier is "in some cases".
Your sentence should read: "Pretty sure "and" after a comma is just fine and, in some cases, downright necessary."
Using ",and" is only really for linking independent clauses.
e.g. "It's raining, and I can't find my umbrella."
Both are independent of each other. Despite being linked, they each stand alone as a sentence in their own right. In this case it is grammatically correct to use ",and".
"I switched on the TV and we sat down to watch."
"I switched on the TV is independent, but "and we sat down to watch" is not, so should not be separated. In this case it is not grammatically correct to use ",and".

I do not mind about someone's grammar, it's not really worthy of debate.
The only reason I brought it up in the first place up was because of the irony, that the original guy I responded to was picking up on poor grammar.
As such I found it amusing & ironic that his post contained those 2 elements.

Where exactly are these rules coming from? If a given bit of usage is a thousand years old, appears in the definitive textbook on grammar usage, and is explicitly condoned by one of the best respected dictionaries on Earth... what greater authority is declaring it unacceptable?

 

[whichone]

Where exactly are these rules coming from? If a given bit of usage is a thousand years old, appears in the definitive textbook on grammar usage, and is explicitly condoned by one of the best respected dictionaries on Earth... what greater authority is declaring it unacceptable?

Sorry, I presumed that you were taught English at school.
That is where everyone in my generation was taught these rules.
The usage is not specifically condoned in any respected dictionary, carte-blanche. It is conditional, there are conditions which need to be met in order for it to be grammatically correct usage.
A dictionary's primary purpose is defining & spelling words, I wouldn't promote one as a source for learning how to use punctuation correctly.

The Oxford comma, which you use in the quoted post, is a newer type and is still contested by some. Personally, i think it makes sense to use it for the last entry in a list of items.
The use to link 2 independent clauses is accepted and has existed for a long, long time.

There are specific rules for grammar and another set of rules for punctuation. I do not know who the authority is. I wonder if there is one?
There are groups who believe that, as language is constantly evolving and new words are added from the common vernacular, that rules should be relaxed also, to make the usage of language more fluid/flexible & forget about being correct/by the book.
I presume that there must be a collective, of some sort, who maintain the rules, but have never bothered questioning it before.

If you wish to learn more about proper/correct usage of grammar and punctuation, there are probably quite a few good guides online, but I do not have a recommendation for one, sorry.

Anyway, enough of punctuation 101, back to the game.....

 

[AlBetGam]

Sorry, I presumed that you were taught English at school.

I was, thank you. Neither of these rules was included.

There are specific rules for grammar and another set of rules for punctuation. I do not know who the authority is. I wonder if there is one?
There are groups who believe that, as language is constantly evolving and new words are added from the common vernacular, that rules should be relaxed also, to make the usage of language more fluid/flexible & forget about being correct/by the book.
I presume that there must be a collective, of some sort, who maintain the rules, but have never bothered questioning it before.

I'm no radical descriptivist, but I also don't believe in maintaining unprovenanced rules that don't improve readability- especially since there is no body that sets the rules for English.

 

[whichone]

I was, thank you. Neither of these rules was included.



I'm no radical descriptivist, but I also don't believe in maintaining unprovenanced rules that don't improve readability- especially since there is no body that sets the rules for English.

FTFY: "Neither of these rules were included."
As I said mate, I'm done with punctuation 101.
There are plenty of online guides, grammarly etc, that will inform you about usage for ", and".

 

[AlBetGam]

FTFY: "Neither of these rules were included."

I'd counter-argue with sources but, as you say, you're done.

 

[Vortheese]

Moving the thread away from Grammar and Art complaints back into the suggestion field.
I second the addition of impregnation mechanics, especially since there were no effective birth controls at the time. I do realize though that this is a rather extensive fetish to include as all of the characters need multiple progression stages etc.
As for content that would be easier to add that I would like to see. Creampie, Virgin, Harem, I notice rape is a tag so BDSM seems like a no-brainer. I'm a fan of Titjobs but I don't know how good that would actually look in this art style.

I look forward to what this game will become and I will definitely keep my eye out for future updates. Goodluck!

 

[Kalkreth]

We're currently working on an overhaul for the art as most people were upset by it, it may take a while as we update all the characters, the backgrounds will stay the same mostly. Impregnation is not something that i'm into and considering the story i've designed it won't happen in near future. But it's rome, the cradle of fetishes if people dig it why not. Bdsm, virgin, creampie and harem will be added in near future.

 

[OEJ]

Steps to Rome [v0.1] [Passione Games] (386 MB)
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[L777]

I'm ok with the art. It's unique. A fine tuning could put the icing on the cake.

What I didnt like that much for example was how easy it was for her to start working in a brothel.

 

[Bryan AC]

I would just like to re-start this thread with the comment, back in jan of 2020, I emailed you about this game, and you told me I didn't have to worry about it be abandoned.....Well, now I'm worried....