Recommending Story-first games

[Raife]

A real-world grounded harem game like that would run into issues. A male MC who isn't white seems to be less popular, so that may hit the funding. Polygamy is expensive, so any MC would have to very rich, if the game is set in the distant past the MC would have to be a noble or a kind. If the harem is set in a royal or noble court, a realistic plot would involve drama and intrige that would turn players off. Think of rivalry to the point of LIs murdering each other or an LI murdering the MC. You can guess what kind of outcry that would raise. A historical harem setting would also require very authoritarian patriarchal attitudes that much of the sex is really noncon. That would repel many players too. Romance as we know it didn't exist so you can't develop much of that. And it is more difficult to write a realistic story about the more distant past, Hollywood fucking sucks at it most of the time, Japanese professional porn devs fucking suck at it nearly all of the time, so I doubt many Western amateur porn or adult devs can deliver a good job. But as a history nerdette I am seriously picky about that.

I agree, Jaike: while a historically-based harem game would be intriguing, (A) most devs are too lazy to delve adequately into the historiography, and (B) even if done accurately, it would probably be commercially unviable for all the reasons you cite.

I still have yet to encounter a really well done harem game, because most devs forget that they need to explain both the MC's poly-amorous preferences AND why all the LIs share those preferences in a manner that is credible. They generally don't even try... and when they do, they fail.

That doesn't mean successful poly relationships can't exist -- I accept that they do. It's just they have never been done well in a game... which is why I avoid the harem tag.

 

[jufot]

Perhaps a better way of phrasing it is that I want to see tension (preferably eroticism) involving the MC's relationship with the LI(s) and not simply in the broader plot arc.

Right, ok, I do agree with that.

most devs forget that they need to explain both the MC's poly-amorous preferences AND why all the LIs share those preferences
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That doesn't mean successful poly relationships can't exist -- I accept that they do. It's just they have never been done well in a game... which is why I avoid the harem tag.

That's another thing, an MC with a harem doesn't "have polyamorous preferences" - he simply wants to sexually own multiple women. If he was actually poly, those women would also be able to enter and leave relationships, independently of the MC and what's more, the MC would be OK with it because polyamory basically requires you to be OK with sharing.

This is why the harem tag is useless for a game with poly relationships. Just like how "lesbian" on F95 means "has women willing to fuck each other for male MC's entertainment"

 

[Raife]

Right, ok, I do agree with that.


That's another thing, an MC with a harem doesn't "have polyamorous preferences" - he simply wants to sexually own multiple women. If he was actually poly, those women would also be able to enter and leave relationships, independently of the MC and what's more, the MC would be OK with it because polyamory basically requires you to be OK with sharing.

This is why the harem tag is useless for a game poly relationships. Just like how "lesbian" on F95 means "has women willing to fuck each other for male MC's entertainment"

That is _exactly_ right. The one good use for a harem tag, for me, is that it signals that I won't enjoy the game for the reason you've well described above.

 

[Nyravrod]

That doesn't mean successful poly relationships can't exist -- I accept that they do. It's just they have never been done well in a game... which is why I avoid the harem tag.

This actually reminds me of one of my biggest pet peeves with regards to Adult VNs. Pretty much all poly relationships depicted in games (we are going to skip past the fact that 99% of them are simply MFF Thruples that is another can of worms I'm not opening) has to start with some form of cheating or at least dishonesty. The one relationship type that probably relies the most on trust and communication is shown the be starting on the basis of lies and omissions. Let's face it none of those "relationships" would ever last much if that is the fundation you build it upon.

This is making it so hard to enjoy those storylines. I want to see an established couple opening up together or a close group evolving into relationship or many of the different yet respectfull ways poly relationships can be built. It might be a personal issue too since I know I have a harder time with cheating (personal background) but I hate that trope of "Poly means MC dates 2 LIs indepentently and then they find out and decide to form a thruple".
Trust and communication is a fundamental part of any relationship and the more people involved the more relevant that statement is.

This is why the harem tag is useless for a game with poly relationships. Just like how "lesbian" on F95 means "has women willing to fuck each other for male MC's entertainment"

To be honest most tags on F95 have lost all meaning and are irrelevant to the content of the game past the description of the sex scenes contained within. I now simply ingnore them and rely on synopsis and reviews to make a decision, much more reliable.

 

[jufot]

Mad World - promising game. I wrote a review. https://f95zone.to/threads/mad-world-release-3-3-0-0-smoke-mob-games.55994/ (not finished yet)

I gave this one a shot. It is yet another magical urban fantasy, but it's quite well done. Unlike most, the MC here isn't some omnipotent godlike hero. He's more of a loveable idiot who is just confused with everything, and has a hard time understanding what the fuck is going on. It's quite endearing

The rest of the cast seem decent and interesting, but because the game is stuck to the MC's POV we never get to learn what they are thinking. It makes them seemingly lack depth. Still, it's a game well worth playing. It helps that the LIs are all very cute

(Also, for the RenPy enthusiasts who might be reading this, this game has one of the worst, most disorganized scripts I've ever seen. It's such a pain to figure out which variables affect what outcome. There is a reason why no one has managed to create a walkthrough mod for it.)

 

[Jaike]

Well, maybe. I've lived in multiple countries. A number of them in the West (NL a while back, UK now), but most of my life has been in the Middle East. One of those countries historically has had one of the largest harems that ever existed. That still doesn't make me "appreciate" harems

That was in response to the statement that there is no way to write a grounded, realistic harem story, something that seemed rather categorical to me. That said, condolences, especially on having lived in the Netherlands, maybe on living in the UK, and - who knows - maybe in having lives in the country that historically had one of the largest harems?

Now I agree most harem games don't bother with a realistic story and aren't grounded in real-world examples of harems. Bad Memories is from memory the only one that really puts in effort to describe psychological mechanisms for the main LIs. Then again, most porn games here don't have a realistic story and most erotica stories and most amateur writing don't have realistic stories either.

No, it doesn't, but that wasn't my point. I meant that the wooden nature of sex in Sorcerer made it easier for me to skip it because the sexual parts detract from the realism of the story.

My mistake, I then misread your statement as meaning that the harem in Sorcerer was what made the sex scenes feel unerotic.

The trouble here is that Sorcerer tries to have its cake and eat it too. It takes place in the modern world, in an arguably Western country, where women don't appreciate being a man's property. Further, the MC is faaaar from what a historical harem owner would be. He's kind, a believer in free will, and is not in a position of power over his concubines. I'd be surprised if there was a single historical example fitting that definition.

I completely agree with that. The setting feels like the US to me.

Yes. If anything, a realistic harem should pretty much by definition be degrading. Ironically, this makes rape-simulator games like Desert Stalker great examples of realistic harem VNs

I'm not sure about which definition of degrading you're talking, but if you mean generally patriarchal, I agree. But I was thinking of the kind of fantasy or scifi setting that can be seen in Japanese corruption games with a female MCs.

Haha, that's pretty much what I said in my To Be A King review

Hmm, The New Queen kind of has that level of backdealing, but I don't think it's a harem game. Now that I think about it, Sorcerer does have significant amount of LI rivalry. I don't think it's based on political machinations and possibly also not on jealousy, but who knows what's in store for us?

The first one I would recommend is called Sunstone. The first arc is completed (volumes 1-5) and it is a lesbian rommance BDSM story. It is very well written and tells the tale of 2 women looking online to find someone to explore their kinks with and how that purely sexual relationship evolves into more. The story is well written, the characters have depth and the art is absolutely gorgeous.
I guess my bias to this series is clear when I use it as my profile picture

Thanks so much for that! I haven't been looking hard, but I'm interested in con lesbian or female bi BDSM comics. I've checked the first 40 pages of volume 1, it looks really promising.

Most of these naïve fanboys don't want to hear about how things were/are in real harems. They will insist (perhaps because of homophobia) that the women in harems never got intimate with each other.

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But my read is that harem fans tend not to mind LIs getting frisky once they're part of the harem.

I know a few people who are in a Master/slave arrangement (one guy I know has 2 that live with him and at least one other who is still becoming established), but people truly embracing that lifestyle are very rare. Most others in M/s relationships are much more casual about it, not 24/7.

Yes, submissives, along with masochists, were one type of personalities I had in mind in my previous post. The others were cuckolds or cuckqueans, sexually innocent people and 'broken' people. But pressing the last two types into a harem is super manipulative, so that isn't compatible with a benevolent MC. Cuckqueans are imo already becoming an overdone trope. There are probably more types who might be up for it though. But likely not a large share of the Earth's population.

That sounds... fascinating, really. I assume these are fully consenting Western-values adults? If so, I wish I could interview them, especially the "slaves". How different their minds must be...

Well, probably. Some of them like to leave making the decision to someone else, some are attracted to pain or humiliation and for many it's both. The former could be compared to other cases in life where one might want to delegate decisions to others, but the latter just has to be accepted as being a thing for some people like other niche kinks that don't make a great deal of sense biologically.

This actually reminds me of one of my biggest pet peeves with regards to Adult VNs. Pretty much all poly relationships depicted in games (we are going to skip past the fact that 99% of them are simply MFF Thruples that is another can of worms I'm not opening) has to start with some form of cheating or at least dishonesty. The one relationship type that probably relies the most on trust and communication is shown the be starting on the basis of lies and omissions. Let's face it none of those "relationships" would ever last much if that is the fundation you build it upon.

This is making it so hard to enjoy those storylines. I want to see an established couple opening up together or a close group evolving into relationship or many of the different yet respectfull ways poly relationships can be built. It might be a personal issue too since I know I have a harder time with cheating (personal background) but I hate that trope of "Poly means MC dates 2 LIs indepentently and then they find out and decide to form a thruple".
Trust and communication is a fundamental part of any relationship and the more people involved the more relevant that statement is.

Yes, the amount of forced cheating in games with group relationships is a big turn-off. Though a lot of that is in harem games that don't follow the tenets of open or polyamorous relationships. I'm less bothered by secretly sleeping around if the dating is still casual, but also in that scenario dating two people independently is an unlikely means of creating a thruple. I think the ethics in Defending Lydia Collier work well, where the player has more leeway when the LI hasn't asked for commitment yet but you can pick up an STD by fucking the wrong people, so be honest about it. Jessica O'Neil's Hard News has neighbours in an open relationship, but the neighbour's boyfriend may be rather scummy. Ramen No Oujisama is a VN where cheating blows up one route, but the implementation is a bit too silly.

I think the only way to make economically viable games with MMF thruples is through games with female protagonists. If the protagonist is male, it will not get enough backers.

I gave this one a shot. It is yet another magical urban fantasy, but it's quite well done. Unlike most, the MC here isn't some omnipotent godlike hero. He's more of a loveable idiot who is just confused with everything, and has a hard time understanding what the fuck is going on. It's quite endearing

Hmm, that sounds a little like Mr Alexander Ward, who is no idiot but who also in way over his head in complicated matters that can easily get him killed.

(Also, for the RenPy enthusiasts who might be reading this, this game has one of the worst, most disorganized scripts I've ever seen. It's such a pain to figure out which variables affect what outcome. There is a reason why no one has managed to create a walkthrough mod for it.)

Can't have people cheating their way through your game with a walkthrough if the game is too difficult to write a walkthrough for.

Will probably edit this post when I'm able to proofread again.

 

[jufot]

That said, condolences, especially on having lived in the Netherlands, maybe on living in the UK, and - who knows - maybe in having lives in the country that historically had one of the largest harems?

Well, perhaps we have different experiences of the Netherlands because it is by far my favourite country that I lived in Moving to the UK had its advantages, but the country itself wasn't one of them.

I'm not sure about which definition of degrading you're talking, but if you mean generally patriarchal, I agree.

Yes. Real harems (like, say, in the Ottoman court) were little more than sexual slavery in a gilded cage. That has to be a degrading prospect for the women involved. Or... perhaps not so much. After all, they got to live much more comfortable lives than most back then...

Hah, here's the answer

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Ottoman harems have also had a large contingent of forcibly castrated men, guarding the women. I doubt they would risk getting frisky with the concubines, though. Heads would roll. But it's fun to imagine that in a VN scenario

Hmm, The New Queen kind of has that level of backdealing, but I don't think it's a harem game.

I wasn't aware of that game at all. Backdealing and no harem? I'm sold already Shame it's on hold though.

Now that I think about it, Sorcerer does have significant amount of LI rivalry. I don't think it's based on political machinations and possibly also not on jealousy, but who knows what's in store for us?

Talothal can elaborate, but I don't think jealousy or LI-triggered story-relevant conflicts are in store for Sorcerer.

Yes, the amount of forced cheating in games with group relationships is a big turn-off. Though a lot of that is in harem games that don't follow the tenets of open or polyamorous relationships. I'm less bothered by secretly sleeping around if the dating is still casual, but also in that scenario dating two people independently is an unlikely means of creating a thruple.

It's funny, I just finished playing the latest update of Bare Witness where the MC goes around declaring "I love you"s to half a dozen women. Most are unaware or wilfully ignorant of the cheating. In one case, one of the LIs catches the MC literally having his dick sucked by another LI, while he was attending a party with the first LI... Wanna guess what happens next? MC says he wants to be with both of them, and these two women, who've barely exchanged a few sentences until that point, are both perfectly OK with that! That's not even all. The first LI - who just caught her boyfriend cheating 30 seconds ago - joins in on the fun, and tells MC that she wants him to impregnate them both! I mean, suspension of disbelief can only go so far...

Hmm, that sounds a little like Mr Alexander Ward, who is no idiot but who also in way over his head in complicated matters that can easily get him killed.

Alexander Ward shares some traits with Mad World's MC, in the sense that they're both in over their heads, but while Ward approaches that with professionalism and good planning, MW MC is a lot more playful and aloof. Both of them fit well within their universes though, so I recommend checking out MW as well

 

[dunno6988]

Wasn't a fan of it, but I guess it fits this topic. Try Light of My Life https://f95zone.to/threads/light-of-my-life-ch-5-v0-6-1-naughty-road.29628/

 

[Dragon59]

Teenagers are naturally stupid about these things (I know I was) but in the adult world (at least for neurotypicals) I think it's easy to differentiate between friendliness and flirting. In my experience, if someone is genuinely interested in you, they'll let you know and won't be all that subtle about it. I also think it's harmless to gently gauge interest with some playful flirting, as long as you are ready to stop immediately if you're rebuffed. The creeps are always the ones who can't take a hint and make things unsafe for women

Yeah, the fact that I am not neurotypical probably played a big part. I had an amusing situation with the women I was with between my marriages. She was also involved with another woman, and sometimes that other woman would get on her nerves. She'd announce that she was entering a non-sexual phase to both of us. She and I would still meet to cuddle and watch TV. At some point, she removed her bra under her shirt as a signal that she wanted to be sexual again. I figured she wanted to be comfortable.

That sounds... fascinating, really. I assume these are fully consenting Western-values adults? If so, I wish I could interview them, especially the "slaves". How different their minds must be...

Yes, western values adults. The 24/7 I have in mind is in Scotland, but there are a number of variations across the US and Europe. I've attended a few MAsT meetings (Masters and slaves Together) on Zoom during the pandemic. Most people I know are not in 24/7 relationships and some are actually married to one men (who is often more "vanilla") while maintaining a M/s relationship with another.

I agree, Jaike: while a historically-based harem game would be intriguing, (A) most devs are too lazy to delve adequately into the historiography, and (B) even if done accurately, it would probably be commercially unviable for all the reasons you cite.

I expect there would be some market for a historically accurate Harem simulator, but it would probably be limited to the historically curious and those who are really into the idea.

Look how popular Big Love was and Sister Wives is still going strong--a lot of interest in that sort of polygamy (polygyny).

I still have yet to encounter a really well done harem game, because most devs forget that they need to explain both the MC's poly-amorous preferences AND why all the LIs share those preferences in a manner that is credible. They generally don't even try... and when they do, they fail.

Part of the problem is that unless one is dating people who already identify as polyamorous, one is going to have a number of dates that end as soon as the truth is told. I don't expect harem fans would appreciate the "grind" to have even 20 failed dates to find one person who is open. A dating app in the dating sim would help.

That doesn't mean successful poly relationships can't exist -- I accept that they do. It's just they have never been done well in a game... which is why I avoid the harem tag.

A reason I want to make sure my game doesn't get the harem tag. I will be very clear in the into text.

 

[Dragon59]

Right, ok, I do agree with that.


That's another thing, an MC with a harem doesn't "have polyamorous preferences" - he simply wants to sexually own multiple women. If he was actually poly, those women would also be able to enter and leave relationships, independently of the MC and what's more, the MC would be OK with it because polyamory basically requires you to be OK with sharing.

This is why the harem tag is useless for a game with poly relationships. Just like how "lesbian" on F95 means "has women willing to fuck each other for male MC's entertainment"

Far too true. I know I do want to have a secondary character later on who enters the poly network thinking he's going to get such a harem. He will be cleared of his delusion very quickly.

Hah, here's the answer

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But my read is that harem fans tend not to mind LIs getting frisky once they're part of the harem.

I found this article today:

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. It does talk about relationships between the women involved as well as risky liaisons with eunuchs.

Not all--I have seen some demanding that the Lis not have sex with each other unless the MC is included.

Yes, submissives, along with masochists, were one type of personalities I had in mind in my previous post. The others were cuckolds or cuckqueans, sexually innocent people and 'broken' people. But pressing the last two types into a harem is super manipulative, so that isn't compatible with a benevolent MC. Cuckqueans are imo already becoming an overdone trope. There are probably more types who might be up for it though. But likely not a large share of the Earth's population.

With the 24/7 in the UK, I know that one initiated contact with him before she was 17, which is still above the age of consent in the UK, but he did not allow her to enter her "slave training" until she'd reached 18. He wanted to make sure it was her clear and considered choice.

Well, probably. Some of them like to leave making the decision to someone else, some are attracted to pain or humiliation and for many it's both. The former could be compared to other cases in life where one might want to delegate decisions to others, but the latter just has to be accepted as being a thing for some people like other niche kinks that don't make a great deal of sense biologically.

For Master Jim's girls, it seems more about having him make many decisions, having him guiding their lives, teaching them certain manners. Since I'm not in the M/s dynamic myself, it feels weird to hear one of them always referring to me as "Don, Sir."

Yes, the amount of forced cheating in games with group relationships is a big turn-off. Though a lot of that is in harem games that don't follow the tenets of open or polyamorous relationships. I'm less bothered by secretly sleeping around if the dating is still casual, but also in that scenario dating two people independently is an unlikely means of creating a thruple.

One reason I fell away from Where the Heart Is is because it was turning into "juggling chainsaws," too keep everyone ignorant. My own AVN is starting with an existing poly couple and a long term friend and her husband who has been monogamous but decide to explore. "Cheating to poly" is not a good recipe for success.

I think the only way to make economically viable games with MMF thruples is through games with female protagonists. If the protagonist is male, it will not get enough backers.

Yet this (MFM) is the threesome/thruple I am most familiar with. Even though I have been in relationship with more than one at the same time, I never managed to have a threesome with them. In one diasterous case, One was willing, but the other (who has since identified as Ace) thought sleeping with the two of them was sleeping with the two of them, no hanky panky implied. Also the other member of the household, her cantankerous boyfriend was not going to be kicked out of "his bed" to give the three of us some privacy. It was an awkward night. An example of real life.

 

[Dragon59]

Yes. Real harems (like, say, in the Ottoman court) were little more than sexual slavery in a gilded cage. That has to be a degrading prospect for the women involved. Or... perhaps not so much. After all, they got to live much more comfortable lives than most back then...

And oft-times not that sexual in the larger ones of history. I wonder if we have any writings from women who lived in a harem environment. It does seem like being used as a political commodity in a harm might have been marginally better. More comfortable and a higher life expectancy compared to other women in the culture. As pointed out numerous times, modern western women, in general expect a lot more agency in their lives.

Ottoman harems have also had a large contingent of forcibly castrated men, guarding the women. I doubt they would risk getting frisky with the concubines, though. Heads would roll. But it's fun to imagine that in a VN scenario

Yes, it was known to happen from time to time, but it was risky. I expect such an AVN would be from the POV of the concubine, not the eunuch in order to be more largely accepted.

It's funny, I just finished playing the latest update of Bare Witness where the MC goes around declaring "I love you"s to half a dozen women. Most are unaware or wilfully ignorant of the cheating. In one case, one of the LIs catches the MC literally having his dick sucked by another LI, while he was attending a party with the first LI... Wanna guess what happens next? MC says he wants to be with both of them, and these two women, who've barely exchanged a few sentences until that point, are both perfectly OK with that! That's not even all. The first LI - who just caught her boyfriend cheating 30 seconds ago - joins in on the fun, and tells MC that she wants him to impregnate them both! I mean, suspension of disbelief can only go so far...

Tonight I watched The Good Doctor with my former nesting partner (the Ace identifying one). One of the newly single doctors was dating three women. He messed up and invited both to a party. The doctor survived, and the two women were chatting with each other, but the two women were talking about moving on to a nightclub.

Together.

Without him.

 

[jufot]

At some point, she removed her bra under her shirt as a signal that she wanted to be sexual again. I figured she wanted to be comfortable.

Well, I wouldn't read that as initiation either. There is a difference between subtlety and completely missing the mark. This sounds like the latter

I know I do want to have a secondary character later on who enters the poly network thinking he's going to get such a harem. He will be cleared of his delusion very quickly.

I'd love to see that. It would definitely be unique in the VN world.

One reason I fell away from Where the Heart Is is because it was turning into "juggling chainsaws," too keep everyone ignorant.

Yeah, especially after the last update, in which the MC came within inches of being caught by the sisters and their mom. Although, the game did add several variables for tracking suspicion for each girl, so maybe the whole thing can still go up in flames

I expect such an AVN would be from the POV of the concubine, not the eunuch in order to be more largely accepted.

Now I'm giggling thinking about a "harem VN" where you play not as the master, but as a common eunuch. I can already imagine the F95 thread

 

[moskyx]

A common eunuch that somehow meets a genious that grants him to grow a Magic Dick, and then have to enjoy the harem keeping the women happy while avoiding being discovered by his master. I can totally see it

 

[jufot]

A common eunuch that somehow meets a genious that grants him to grow a Magic Dick, and then have to enjoy the harem keeping the women happy while avoiding being discovered by his master. I can totally see it

Ah, but that would defeat the point of being a eunuch. I wanted to see an MC surrounded by a literal harem of women, but sexually frustrated due to his lack of penile ability

 

[Raife]

I'd just like to see devs create internally consistent characters -- that is, characters that are true to themselves -- before they attempt anything more ambitious like believable poly relationships.

A person's nature can change over time, of course... but it's generally a gradual evolution, rather than in the form of an abrupt, massive shift. One of the problems with this genre of games is that jarring character shifts are so common... which destroys the credibility of the narrative. It's the equivalent in old blue movies of the 'nurse' character walking on to the ward and suddenly peeling off her clothes because the male protagonist/patient is 'hot' and 'it's hot in here.'

That's what makes characters like Charlotte from _Hillside_ or Elsa from _CC_ so unusual: they have clearly defined personalities and always make choices that are consistent with them. When their behavior deviates slightly from their essential characters, the dev has shown very clearly and logically _why_ they have made that choice and how it fits their nature. Nothing comes out of the blue... it feels organic and real.

 

[ShamanLab]

Now i'm playing "Goss_IP" by Basilicata.

It started like relatively generic college harem game but... probably dev learning fast with each update or i dunno but with each new ingame day it going to be more story driven, more explicid, more nasty and sexy.

There is few very funny and unpredictalbe plot turns in the story.

Overall this game giving me very positive experience.

upd. I'm still playing and i have to say it again -- the more progress your have, the better plot and scenes.

 

[ShamanLab]

Just another couple of cents!

'Table Top PornStar' is story driven text heavy game with many paths. But it's hard to judge this story for me because i still didn't sure how game mechanic work. I mean which stats you have to boost in which time for which plot lines. I finished v0.29 but still not sure about my story lines progress.

 

[Dragon59]

Well, I wouldn't read that as initiation either. There is a difference between subtlety and completely missing the mark. This sounds like the latter

Thank you! She also came to me one time for advice. She and her girlfriend were stuck in "Lesbian Sheep Syndrome," where each was expecting the other to be the initiator. This might be why going braless was her way of signaling, since she wasn't good with initiating.

I'd love to see that. It would definitely be unique in the VN world.

I definitely don't want the initial characters to make some of these mistakes. I want us to be invested in their success and don't want [game over] branches. Characters introduced later are free to make all the rookie mistakes. The one thing I'm considering for Emil, the man in the new-to-poly couple is to have him feeling a bit left out when he realizes it is so much easier for women to find new partners. Well, easier for women and bi/pan men. I'd like him to have a little of that "what about me?" as long as it doesn't go into NTR jealousy. I think his love for Alyssa will be strong enough he won't begrudge her her happiness, but still feel a little envious. Of course, he'll eventually find partners, so it will be good in the end.

Yeah, especially after the last update, in which the MC came within inches of being caught by the sisters and their mom. Although, the game did add several variables for tracking suspicion for each girl, so maybe the whole can still go up in flames

Thanks for letting me know.

Now I'm giggling thinking about a "harem VN" where you play not as the master, but as a common eunuch. I can already imagine the F95 thread

Is it toll behavior to want to make or see someone else make this just to see the reactions, positive and negative? It would certainly be a polarizing AVN.

A common eunuch that somehow meets a genious that grants him to grow a Magic Dick, and then have to enjoy the harem keeping the women happy while avoiding being discovered by his master. I can totally see it

I expect that version would actually be a bit more popular with the "rabble." Definitely a "Juggling Chainsaws" AVN, though.

 

[Jaike]

Well, perhaps we have different experiences of the Netherlands because it is by far my favourite country that I lived in Moving to the UK had its advantages, but the country itself wasn't one of them.

It was a self-deprecating joke. Surely the weather is not that much of a difference?

I wasn't aware of that game at all. Backdealing and no harem? I'm sold already Shame it's on hold though.

I should warn you that incest is planned. But some of the backstabbing is done by your family, so I suppose those ones are not going to be LIs. I hope so for the protagonist's life expectancy.

I think that the plan was for an update in the upcoming months.

Not all--I have seen some demanding that the Lis not have sex with each other unless the MC is included.

That is true, don't think that is a very common demand however.

With the 24/7 in the UK, I know that one initiated contact with him before she was 17, which is still above the age of consent in the UK, but he did not allow her to enter her "slave training" until she'd reached 18. He wanted to make sure it was her clear and considered choice.

For Master Jim's girls, it seems more about having him make many decisions, having him guiding their lives, teaching them certain manners. Since I'm not in the M/s dynamic myself, it feels weird to hear one of them always referring to me as "Don, Sir."

Okay, that sounds hardcore, even for 24/7.

Yet this (MFM) is the threesome/thruple I am most familiar with. Even though I have been in relationship with more than one at the same time, I never managed to have a threesome with them. In one diasterous case, One was willing, but the other (who has since identified as Ace) thought sleeping with the two of them was sleeping with the two of them, no hanky panky implied. Also the other member of the household, her cantankerous boyfriend was not going to be kicked out of "his bed" to give the three of us some privacy. It was an awkward night. An example of real life.

So you slept with four people in one bed? I believe that it was awkward. But it does sound cute. Maybe an idea for your game?

A common eunuch that somehow meets a genious that grants him to grow a Magic Dick, and then have to enjoy the harem keeping the women happy while avoiding being discovered by his master. I can totally see it

Sounds like the eunuch found a Roman votive figurine of Priapus instead of a genie in a bottle.

Ah, but that would defeat the point of being a eunuch. I wanted to see an MC surrounded by a literal harem of women, but sexually frustrated due to his lack of penile ability

Now that sounds extremely masochist. I'm sure that's even rare in extreme femdom games if you don't count sissification and feminisation.

I'd just like to see devs create internally consistent characters -- that is, characters that are true to themselves -- before they attempt anything more ambitious like believable poly relationships.

A person's nature can change over time, of course... but it's generally a gradual evolution, rather than in the form of an abrupt, massive shift. One of the problems with this genre of games is that jarring character shifts are so common... which destroys the credibility of the narrative. It's the equivalent in old blue movies of the 'nurse' character walking on to the ward and suddenly peeling off her clothes because the male protagonist/patient is 'hot' and 'it's hot in here.'

Yes, I think a mostly consistent personality is important. In WVM there is this mechanism that whenever an LI joins the harem, any tension and character that existed previously just evaporates.

It's funny, I just finished playing the latest update of Bare Witness where the MC goes around declaring "I love you"s to half a dozen women. Most are unaware or wilfully ignorant of the cheating. In one case, one of the LIs catches the MC literally having his dick sucked by another LI, while he was attending a party with the first LI... Wanna guess what happens next? MC says he wants to be with both of them, and these two women, who've barely exchanged a few sentences until that point, are both perfectly OK with that! That's not even all. The first LI - who just caught her boyfriend cheating 30 seconds ago - joins in on the fun, and tells MC that she wants him to impregnate them both! I mean, suspension of disbelief can only go so far...

The MC better be totally loaded. What better way than child support to ensure a steady income from a 'dependable' and so reliable bloke, right?

It's a shame, LI rivalry and LIs demanding things in return for tolerating rivals could at least be something that contributes some tension to a story, even if the setting... is lacking in plausibility. Instead it's pure porn waffle and LIs getting led by the nose.

Now i'm playing "Goss_IP" by Basilicata.

It started like relatively generic college harem game but... probably dev learning fast with each update or i dunno but with each new ingame day it going to be more story driven, more explicid, more nasty and sexy.

There is few very funny and unpredictalbe plot turns in the story.

Overall this game giving me very positive experience.

upd. I'm still playing and i have to say it again -- the more progress your have, the better plot and scenes.

I liked the other game by the dev (somewhat corruption-like but with actual agency instead of depressing degradation on rails) and saw this game but thought it was going to be a harem builder with a douchebag MC based on revenge and corruption so I skipped it. But I will check it out because of your recommendation.

 

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The one thing I'm considering for Emil, the man in the new-to-poly couple is to have him feeling a bit left out when he realizes it is so much easier for women to find new partners. Well, easier for women and bi/pan men. I'd like him to have a little of that "what about me?" as long as it doesn't go into NTR jealousy. I think his love for Alyssa will be strong enough he won't begrudge her her happiness, but still feel a little envious. Of course, he'll eventually find partners, so it will be good in the end.

That all sounds very interesting. Looking forward to it!

Is it toll behavior to want to make or see someone else make this just to see the reactions, positive and negative?

Let's just say if someone were to start a Patreon to develop that, I'd definitely pitch in

It was a self-deprecating joke. Surely the weather is not that much of a difference?

The weather, not so much. Life in general, quite a bit. I lived in Den Haag for several years and I miss it every day. It's such a contrast to London's hustle and bustle.

I should warn you that incest is planned. But some of the backstabbing is done by your family, so I suppose those ones are not going to be LIs. I hope so for the protagonist's life expectancy.

So I ended up trying this game, but it doesn't seem like my cup of tea. MC is a total asshole (especially with that "you should thank me for literally burning your house and your parents, and making you my slave" scene) and the only alternative is being a doormat. I didn't see any choices for being a well-adjusted human being

The MC better be totally loaded. What better way than child support to ensure a steady income from a 'dependable' and so reliable bloke, right?

Now there is another game idea! MC starts with sleeping around with a bunch of women, accidentally impregnating them. 9 months later they all come rightfully seeking child support. The player then has to keep juggling jobs to make sure his "family" is provided for. Of course, all the women hate him for his lechery, so they aren't willing to fuck him either