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devil999LEXX

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Well the one currently causing mild annoyance has 100/75 op/att of me, far less willpower, Loves Sex, Loves Casual Sex, Loves Voyeurism, Loves Being Submissive, Hates Monogamy.

Will not accept Polyamory or Threesomes.

getting through the opaque maze of opinions to succeed at that top list of loving everything, only to inexplicably fail once you actually reach your goals is not a great time. In-game hints of "hey you failed, try improving these couple things:" would be helpful. Or easier successes.

The game's still in dev so not like I'm expecting things to be perfect right now, just something to look out for. As it is a player basically needs Likes.txt open in another monitor to try to untangle what is going on; that's not ideal!
well, if i fail to convience someone to change thier opinion, especialy if there is no reason to(i have prety high stats), i simply save game before talk, and load if i fail, and repeat until i succes (or get frustrated).
yes, it is gamey, but saves a lot of headache.
 
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tooldev

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it is there a way to discus threesome with a person which is not your girlfriend ?

and i will love if you get some hints why some person refuse to be girlfriend, especialy when i convinced that person to love polyamory.
If I am not mistaken threesome talk works only with people that are in some form of relationship. That doesnt mean the third person cant be some complete random person, but to have the 'talk..' option requires the opposite person to have a significant other. When you talk to your own others, there is basically no limitation who the 'third' could be.

as of the second part: as leequiring said already - there is more at work than just polyamory. Attraction, dislikes of certain relationship types etc can all be the reason for not being interested in anything 'steady'
 
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If one of them is your sister, the other may hate Incest. Does a sprite appear in the lower right when they tell you No? That's where I always look for conflicting opinions.
Neither of them is a sister, the sprite that appears is of the current girlfriend ... but the current girlfriends love polyamory, hates monogamy, love threesomes, and do threesomes ... the target also loves polyamory and hates monogamy. Would there be any other factors? Casual sex or something?
 

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Neither of them is a sister, the sprite that appears is of the current girlfriend ... but the current girlfriends love polyamory, hates monogamy, love threesomes, and do threesomes ... the target also loves polyamory and hates monogamy. Would there be any other factors? Casual sex or something?
I can't really say what other factor may be inhibiting her. I've also seen this happen, and yet trying again later she will finally agree. Nothing I know of changed, unless it's just one of those variables you can't predict.
 
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I can't really say what other factor may be inhibiting her. I've also seen this happen, and yet trying again later she will finally agree. Nothing I know of changed, unless it's just one of those variables you can't predict.
Thanks ... I've tried 8-9 times now ... always the same result ... maybe someone else knows or I'll find out eventually :)
 
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Thanks ... I've tried 8-9 times now ... always the same result ... maybe someone else knows or I'll find out eventually :)
There are more traits that might interfere - I would have to look them up but something like 'being on your own' also plays into this. There is an entire barrage of traits that play into 'isolate' spectrum which have cock-blocked me more than once
 
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BTW, is there a guide somewhere on making your own packs? Secondly, I'm assuming if I want to rename someone or assign a different pack to them, I can do that in the config file?
 

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Well the one currently causing mild annoyance has 100/75 op/att of me, far less willpower, Loves Sex, Loves Casual Sex, Loves Voyeurism, Loves Being Submissive, Hates Monogamy.

Will not accept Polyamory or Threesomes.

getting through the opaque maze of opinions to succeed at that top list of loving everything, only to inexplicably fail once you actually reach your goals is not a great time. In-game hints of "hey you failed, try improving these couple things:" would be helpful. Or easier successes.

The game's still in dev so not like I'm expecting things to be perfect right now, just something to look out for. As it is a player basically needs Likes.txt open in another monitor to try to untangle what is going on; that's not ideal!
To get the Opinion up, you need your MC to match their preferences, so look at your characters features, such as height, build, hair colour, dick size, etc and then change their opinion to match that.

Click anywhere in the area below (in the top right of your screen) to bring up your character sheet.

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devil999LEXX

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If I am not mistaken threesome talk works only with people that are in some form of relationship. That doesnt mean the third person cant be some complete random person, but to have the 'talk..' option requires the opposite person to have a significant other. When you talk to your own others, there is basically no limitation who the 'third' could be.

as of the second part: as leequiring said already - there is more at work than just polyamory. Attraction, dislikes of certain relationship types etc can all be the reason for not being interested in anything 'steady'
but i will that if game provide some hints whz that person dont want go to relationship, especialy if she have polyamory.

and while treesomes for person who is in relationship makes total sence, it will be great if there was posibility to have treesome with person who is not with relationship (with you) but you did have sex with her multipletimes. (say 10x plus)

and related to threesomes, when you ask some for threesome and she/her agrees but his partner not (but games say it is not oposed to it, but need to be swayed) it will be great if game will tell you what needs to be changed, and if there will be choice to do meeting with that partner and "gang" him to change his opinions it will be great.
of course, with some chance that it will backfire and his oposition to that will get stronger.
 

devil999LEXX

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and another sugestions, it will be great, and very welcomed if characters can go over 100 energy. be it for certain traits (like any sports, is fit...etc)

and i dont know as for you, but in my game there are way to many virgins. i can get it for under 20 or even 25, but to have 38 and 43 yo virgins ? yes, everyone saw that movie, but it was male, not woman.

it will be great if 25 yo virgins will have some backstory behind it. like religios, saving for mariage..etc. and you will get archivment if you did it before mariage.
 

devil999LEXX

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and one last think, i realy dont fully undesrtand why this game is called strip club wars...since for long time in game it is imposible for me to even start strip club, so far it is more restaurant manager than anything else.
it will be great that there will be event that will force cerain laws to pass after certain time, especialy if city hall agree to disagree on everthing.
having manager to sway councilors dont work, and having to nanomanage every single one of them....
 

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but i will that if game provide some hints whz that person dont want go to relationship, especialy if she have polyamory.

and while treesomes for person who is in relationship makes total sence, it will be great if there was posibility to have treesome with person who is not with relationship (with you) but you did have sex with her multipletimes. (say 10x plus)

and related to threesomes, when you ask some for threesome and she/her agrees but his partner not (but games say it is not oposed to it, but need to be swayed) it will be great if game will tell you what needs to be changed, and if there will be choice to do meeting with that partner and "gang" him to change his opinions it will be great.
of course, with some chance that it will backfire and his oposition to that will get stronger.
This is about how 'threesome' is defined in the game.

The base is that you can have sexual relations with almost everybody just depending on the general attraction etc. This is layer 1.

Then there is layer 2 which is all the people (incl. yourself) in some form of 'steady relationship'. That means girl-/boyfriend, marriage and so on. So if you have a girlfriend, you will be perceived by others as being in a 'steady relationship. That reduces ability to freely go beyond flirting and requires both extra work by either yourself or a certain set of traits and opinions by the other.

Then there is layer 3 where layer 1 and 2 collide - this is your threesomes. You can only approach 1 person at a time for this and thus you have to make sure to influence the other person either before that talk or after you got declined. This then works basically like everything for layer 1 plus one has to eliminate all those pesky traits and opinions that point towards being faithful, monogamous behaviour etc
A simple example: the person you talk to is more of a free spirit. So you get a yes. But the partner of said person is for example gay. Cockblocked. Or that person doesnt like cheating on partner or casual sex. Cockblocked again.
 
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A lot of you have complained that in the current release the city council wasn't passing laws as quickly as before. It turns out that version introduced a really bad bug that it's adding a lot of randomness to how the commissioners vote and ignoring any previous commissioner swaying. The randomness was added to prevent deadlocks by making commissioners more likely to vote differently after a tie. But I totally messed it up.

So here's a fix for it. Download and unzip that file and copy the results to the main game directory. It should ask you if you want to replace 2 files. The files that should be unpacked would end up in:

tfel/ai_funcs/gov_funcs.tfl
tfel/events/laws.tfl
 

Kodex

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I'm assuming it would be a nightmare to code, but would it be possible to create a mod/base game feature that allows hermaphrodite/futanari as a fetish? Mainly for accessing both male/female sex options during scenes, even if it would require custom image packs for those characters.
 

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Quick question: I have a two girlfriends already, both love polyamory and hate monogamy. There's another girl that I want to make my girlfriend with 91/60 opinion/attraction, loves polyamory and hates monogamy but keeps refusing. She's fine with sex, but refuses to become the girlfriend ... what gives?
There could be a bunch of reasons. Liking Being On Your Own or hating Marriage can be a factor too. But she likes you that much she should eventually come around.

Something is possibly not working as intended then.

My MC had an incestuous relationship with his sister, opinion/attraction was 100/100, he dumped her, stats dropped to about 80/100 and a "he dumped me" penalty of about -20 appeared in the modifiers, and while she still initiated sexual contact, she wouldn't go any further than groping, because MC was her 'enemy'. The 'he dumped me' penalty has steadily fallen but the enemy tag remains. Relations remained high and she propositioned MC with becoming his girlfriend again, and accepting this either removed or overrode the enemy tag, as she was prepared to go all the way again.

It seems from your description that the 'enemy' tag should not be applied in this case. but I could be wrong.
Ok, I see that "enemy" is being used incorrectly. It's generic message saying that you pissed me off recently so you aren't getting any now. Will fix. But regardless of the message, that can be overcome with time. But in general if you dump someone don't expect them to come back to having sex with you.

The game should give the player feedback on why attempts to change an NPC's opinion failed.
The reason is that the RNG came out with a low enough number. It's a combination of all the factors, most importantly your Sociability score, their Will power (low is better), how tired they are, how much they like you and whether they like to follow orders.

Well the one currently causing mild annoyance has 100/75 op/att of me, far less willpower, Loves Sex, Loves Casual Sex, Loves Voyeurism, Loves Being Submissive, Hates Monogamy.

Will not accept Polyamory or Threesomes.

getting through the opaque maze of opinions to succeed at that top list of loving everything, only to inexplicably fail once you actually reach your goals is not a great time. In-game hints of "hey you failed, try improving these couple things:" would be helpful. Or easier successes.

The game's still in dev so not like I'm expecting things to be perfect right now, just something to look out for. As it is a player basically needs Likes.txt open in another monitor to try to untangle what is going on; that's not ideal!
Get familiar with all the possible opinions. You don't have to open the likes.txt file,you can look it in the Help screen. In this case there's a Threesomes opinion. May sure she likes that (or at least has a neutral opinion). If she doesn't like it the rest won't matter.


I can't really say what other factor may be inhibiting her. I've also seen this happen, and yet trying again later she will finally agree. Nothing I know of changed, unless it's just one of those variables you can't predict.
And this also ties with the previous 2 responses... it's a fine line between explaining the math and not losing immersion. Giving exact reasons why something didn't work turns this into a bit of a math game and that's not fun. At the end of the day, all these characters are modeled using formulas that determine how they respond in each situation, with a hefty amount of randomness. So in general, if she says no, try again (usually another day as many situations are remembered and it will spew out the same result if asked the same day). Usually hopeless cases where it will never say yes are identified as such.


and another sugestions, it will be great, and very welcomed if characters can go over 100 energy. be it for certain traits (like any sports, is fit...etc)

and i dont know as for you, but in my game there are way to many virgins. i can get it for under 20 or even 25, but to have 38 and 43 yo virgins ? yes, everyone saw that movie, but it was male, not woman.

it will be great if 25 yo virgins will have some backstory behind it. like religios, saving for mariage..etc. and you will get archivment if you did it before mariage.
Those traits are already included in the base energy calculation. The more fit you are the more endurance you will have.

As for too many virgins, yeah, that's true. People want that. And in general, the virgins do have potential backstory behind them... when a character is created we evaluate the chances they had sex in any given year based on their lewdness and various opinions such as sex, casual sex, marriage, etc. Then based on their age, we calculate how likely is that they haven't had sex at all. So if you find a 40 year old virgin, chances are her lewdness is really low, she hates sex and marriage etc.

In general, the chances of a 28 year old with -99 lewdness is like 97%. A 28 year old with -50 lewdness has a 20% of being a virgin. Those numbers keep dropping off the older they get. At 0 lewdness, the chances are < 3%.
 
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leequiring

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Perusing the save files, I see descriptors for everyone, and that they vary widely. Slut, bimbo, prude, artsy, etc. I operate on the assumption there's a data file somewhere that these draw from, initializing a set of opinions and traits accordingly. That's born out by changing those words and seeing how the person acts. Like my little sister, I fixed her to be "artsy" and she never begs for money. I can't recall what her word was before I changed it. But she still drags strays into the bar. Her troublesome behavior is just a part of the story.

edit... little sister is now begging for money. First time in Feb 2025. Oh well, she's cute. :)
 
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tooldev

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I'm playing it for the first time and what are the best starting stats?
There are 3 keystats for any start for the MC: Willpower, Intelligence and Focus. The latter is involved in many things like how quick upgrades of the club will be done etc. Willpower helps a lot when influencing others and Intelligence is key for all those skill books you can read. Everything else can be fixed somehow, but with those stats too low you will not have a lot of fun.
 
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