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is this quality updates? i think i read somewhere that the dev himself forgot what he was doing with this story? or?
I could be wrong.. correct me if so gladly, i am happily wrong.
 

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Did this game ever make good on the Corruption (Succubization) listed under genre's in the OP? Cause from what I remember there was none in the first few chapters. All the succubi were born (or at least implied born) as succubi just from different clans.
 

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I take it that this “V5” doesn’t happen to have all the missing parts of chapter 5 (Village, heroine and gallery) then, what a sham.
 

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Iirc, hand injury was only temporary. Kain and Zion later had a further falling out.
I think(?) Kain posted something on his deviantart page about why he stopped working with Zion. And then he stopped drawing porn completely.
Yeah, Kain had a hand injury, then I think I read that the artist hired to temporarily replace him had a hand injury, then at some point Kain decided he didn't want to do porn anymore with Eden Crest being his last hurrah. I never heard anything about explicitly WHY he stopped working with Zion after the hand injury, though.

is this quality updates? i think i read somewhere that the dev himself forgot what he was doing with this story? or?
I could be wrong.. correct me if so gladly, i am happily wrong.
Basically, Zion started this wanting to turn it into a series of games. Each entire game would focus on a specific era and a specific clan of succubi. So ie, the first game is sort of primitive tribal era and focuses on the Leaf Clan. He also thought of the Insect Clan, Beast Clan, Shadow Knife Clan, Elemental Clan, Royal Clan, and I can't recall right off the top of my head what else. iirc dude literally said this would be a several year spanning project, minimum.

Then he decided to deviate and make Warlock Saga. Then Eden Crest. Now Chronicles. I think there was even a comic somewhere in there. And it's kind of been all over the board while he keeps changing things up. ie, the first one or two chapters had animated scenes, which he stopped doing because "animating is hard". They weren't the best, but they were still pretty hot, especially with Kain's art involved. Well, sometime in the last few months Zion has announced that he's back to doing animated scenes because he found some easier way to do it and they look fucking terrible. Also something about training AI to make backgrounds and scenery for him.

Did this game ever make good on the Corruption (Succubization) listed under genre's in the OP? Cause from what I remember there was none in the first few chapters. All the succubi were born (or at least implied born) as succubi just from different clans.
In some of the side material(Warlock Saga I think?)there was some stuff about incubi corrupting human women and turning them into succubi, but I don't really pay much attention to the side material.
 
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Then he decided to deviate and make Warlock Saga. Then Eden Crest. Now Chronicles. I think there was even a comic somewhere in there. And it's kind of been all over the board while he keeps changing things up. ie, the first one or two chapters had animated scenes, which he stopped doing because "animating is hard". They weren't the best, but they were still pretty hot, especially with Kain's art involved. Well, sometime in the last few months Zion has announced that he's back to doing animated scenes because he found some easier way to do it and they look fucking terrible. Also something about training AI to make backgrounds and scenery for him.
When did the author start animating himself? Any example of the newly animated stuff?
 

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Yeah, Kain had a hand injury, then I think I read that the artist hired to temporarily replace him had a hand injury, then at some point Kain decided he didn't want to do porn anymore with Eden Crest being his last hurrah. I never heard anything about explicitly WHY he stopped working with Zion after the hand injury, though.


Basically, Zion started this wanting to turn it into a series of games. Each entire game would focus on a specific era and a specific clan of succubi. So ie, the first game is sort of primitive tribal era and focuses on the Leaf Clan. He also thought of the Insect Clan, Beast Clan, Shadow Knife Clan, Elemental Clan, Royal Clan, and I can't recall right off the top of my head what else. iirc dude literally said this would be a several year spanning project, minimum.

Then he decided to deviate and make Warlock Saga. Then Eden Crest. Now Chronicles. I think there was even a comic somewhere in there. And it's kind of been all over the board while he keeps changing things up. ie, the first one or two chapters had animated scenes, which he stopped doing because "animating is hard". They weren't the best, but they were still pretty hot, especially with Kain's art involved. Well, sometime in the last few months Zion has announced that he's back to doing animated scenes because he found some easier way to do it and they look fucking terrible. Also something about training AI to make backgrounds and scenery for him.


In some of the side material(Warlock Saga I think?)there was some stuff about incubi corrupting human women and turning them into succubi, but I don't really pay much attention to the side material.
Speaking about that message Either KainKout deleted the message or nobody archived it on his patreon because that message does not exist on any of his platforms. But yeah other than than that that's the jist of it.

Honestly I think he really should have worked on SC1 and completed it first to prove to himself that he can do it before immedeately jumping to the other projects (outside of maybe eden crest). Like imagine making Skyrim before the other TES games.
 
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Each entire game would focus on a specific era and a specific clan of succubi.
The very first plans were even grander than that. He wanted to do 5 eras, 4 games in each era, 5 chapters in each game. For a grand total of 20 games (100 chapters). :KEK:

In some of the side material(Warlock Saga I think?)there was some stuff about incubi corrupting human women and turning them into succubi, but I don't really pay much attention to the side material.
Most of the lore was revealed in f95 and discord conversations, not in the game(s). Like how there's hundreds of millions of succubi, and EACH of them requires to eat a human once every few hours. I'll leave up to you to do the math of how many human lives per day that sums up to.
(If the messages weren't deleted, you can still find lore debates with Zion somewhere in this thread)


Attached files. The cum effect is awful. Opinions may vary about the animation quality but I'm not too big a fan.
Honestly, doesn't look too bad, but I gues that's because the art itself is good (still miles away from Kain's).
 
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My plan for now is for you to "import" your game through a series of questions for choices that might impact the story. The status however, I might redo the combat on the second game to be more balanced and interesting. Combat has been a main complain on this game, and I wish to address that on the second game. So I can't say anything about status for now.

I released the first chapter, and now the animated first chapter (from now on all succubus will be animated) and we are working with everything we have on the second chapter. The artist is working on the scenes while I'm creating the story, so I can focus on the hentai scenes once he's done. Then we shall add animations to all girls of the second chapter as well.

To make it simple, please let me explain the structure of our games:
-One Era is made of 4 games
-1 game is made of 5 chapters
Found the initial plan. If anyone wants to marvel at how ambitious (and overconfident) Zion was from the very beginning.
 

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The very first plans were even grander than that. He wanted to do 5 eras, 5 games in each era. For a grand total of 25 games. :KEK:


Most of the lore was revealed in f95 and discord conversations, not in the game(s). Like how there's hundreds of millions of succubi, and EACH of them requires to eat a human once every few hours. I'll leave up to you to do the math of how many human lives per day that sums up to.
(If the messages weren't deleted, you can still find lore debates with Zion somewhere in this thread)
I have no other or nicer words than to say that is fucking stupid. He was already slipping and adding in a healthy focus of Shadow Knife Clan to the first game which was supposed to be about the Leaf Clan. No way he would be able to keep thinking of new succubi for twenty-five games. Also that lore sounds dumb. What is this, Warhammer 40k? No other setting I've seen tried to do that. And I don't mean that in a good way, they didn't for a reason. That's too grand a scope to deal with. I don't even need to do the math to tell most of the succubus population would probably be dead by starvation.

I posed a similar question to a friend actually tonight. "If vampires took over and killed humans off/turned everyone into a vampire, how would they feed?"

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" I released the first chapter, and now the animated first chapter (from now on all succubus will be animated) and we are working with everything we have on the second chapter. The artist is working on the scenes while I'm creating the story, so I can focus on the hentai scenes once he's done. Then we shall add animations to all girls of the second chapter as well. "

I was right, he was trying to do animated scenes from the start then randomly stopped. Now he's gonna be selective about it with his new method of animating holy shit. Also, really putting the cart before the horse. He should've decided to try doing it one game at a time without deviations.
 

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I posed a similar question to a friend actually tonight. "If vampires took over and killed humans off/turned everyone into a vampire, how would they feed?"
That question is actually good. And settings like "Vampire: The Masquerade" have an answer: They try to not kill people while feeding.

But unlike smart vampires who at least try to not kill their prey, Zion stated multiple times that all succubi always kill people, no exceptions.
Just marvel at those lore bombs dropped by Zion, while he tried to justify how the gluttonous idiots called succubi don't run out of food instantly:
Even if you can increase your sperm production, you would still need to take it from your bodily fluids.
And a succubus drinks at least one man per day... so...
You dropped all my previous arguments in favor of just these two. Ok, let's debunk them as well.

-Succubi have conquered many worlds, turning countless worlds into a "human farms". They have countless slave worlds dedicated to feed them. Another reason why they invade multiple world all the time. And you disregarded that energy drain sucks ALL your fluids as sperm. That's why you can't keep them alive with just 2 or 3 ejaculation like you suggested in the facility. That's barely a snack for them. However, with energy drain, they are able to get litters from a single human.

-This path to evolution through magic is a slow one. There was one character that revolutionized the way magic is used. Before this character, beings had to add their own essence into a powerful relic, diminishing the being, but increasing his power over an specific area. Like the One Ring of Sauron. After this character, beings could use mana instead. The relics wasn't as powerful, but it could be mass produced.
Before this character, that is very recent, many attempts to actually study magic was hindered due to this huge limitation. Were you willing to exchange your very being for progress into magic?
With this character, research was made it possible into advance the known magic.
That's why I say that you presume everything. You don't know the story and jump to conclusions.
All will be revealed eventually.


As soon as the new universe began they set out to conquer worlds. It was not only part of their nature, but it was also a necessity. There were many humanoid species before that went extinct due to the succubi hunger, especially during the void wars. And yes, many succubi "died" of hunger, until they had worlds under their control.

Succubi can use energy drain to suck litters from a single man. And they have innumerous worlds conquered eventually, as their numbers grow, so did their slaves.
Biggest cheatcode Zion ever gave them is still the fact that even if they "starve to death" or someone destroys their body, they simply revive (unlimited times) in hell and go back to killing people.
 
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That question is actually good. And settings like "Vampire: The Masquerade" have an answer: They try to not kill people while feeding.

But unlike smart vampires who at least try to not kill their prey, Zion stated multiple times that all succubi always kill people, no exceptions.
Just marvel at those lore bombs dropped by Zion, while he tried to justify how the gluttonous idiots called succubi don't run out of food instantly:



Biggest cheatcode Zion ever gave them is still the fact that even if they "starve to death" or someone destroys their body, they simply revive instantly in hell and go back to killing people.
Holy shit he really did just decide to make the Warhammer 40k of succubi. I am in awe at how ridiculous this is. So in short if we're taking his lore and story seriously there's no reasonable way to even win in the end. No victory will actually matter. Really makes the grind feel pointless.
 

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So, to sum it up, we have:
Species of creatures that literally can never die for good.
Their numbers constantly grow, both from "naturally" forming in hell and from converting females of other species.
All of them require constant supply of males (and only males) to drain.
They always drain their prey to death.
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This Shit is so ass.png
 

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Holy shit he really did just decide to make the Warhammer 40k of succubi. I am in awe at how ridiculous this is. So in short if we're taking his lore and story seriously there's no reasonable way to even win in the end. No victory will actually matter. Really makes the grind feel pointless.
Warhammer daemons are nowhere near as unreasonable as Zion's succubi. They try to trick and tempt people into serving chaos, most of the time. None of the factions engage in wanton, endless murder of everything that moves (yes, even Khorne demons don't spend 24/7 in berserk mode).
 
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