[Suggestion] Adult Patreon

[PandaPenguin]

each dev must have a paypal account i assume to get paid by patreon

not exactly... Payoneer is another way to get paid by Patreon which even offers you a free prepaid CC to use with the account and the payout fees are lower when extracting to your bank account (compared to paypal)

and to stay on topic: payment provider like ccbill or others of the mayor porn industry might be an alternative to paypal

 

[KnightAngleBoi7]

It is really relevant because if you want to do a website like patreon it would be nice if you're clear in what their errors are. As of now and after the information in the other thread about how to avoid the ban hammer, everything is reduced to how much hypocrite patreon is and how devs have to hide what they do so they can keep doing it. That's pretty much a problem of freedom of speech, and that's just one of the problems with patreon and websites like it.

If you want to make a website like it for porn games, banning games based on arbitrary rules like that will simply result in Patreon 2.0 + porn. It's an honest suggestion.

Sites have to abide by the laws of whichever countries host their servers, unless said countries don't give a shit about the digital stuff or have different laws about it.

 

[King Monkey Mon]

With patreon going down the route they are going. I was thinking of researching into and possibly developing a site for adult games and do something similar to Patreon. Most of the alternatives I have found to Patreon that allow adult games, are like kickstarter.

I was mainly thinking of hosting it in a country where some, if not most of the laws the are affecting Patreon wont work.

I would like to have a serious discussion on this and see what people think.

thx that would be really helpful

 

[Belle]

I don't really see this idea as realistic unless you're coming from a position of considerable funding and experience. This isn't just about establishing a website and setting up payment solutions. You'd need legal expertise and business expertise (you need to handle things like VAT, for example, or risk legal action in significant parts of the world) at the very least. To realistically set up a Patreon alternative for porn, you pretty much have to establish a company and be prepared to not only make it your full-time job, but to employ other people too.

For this reason I think the discussion shouldn't start with how to create a site like this. The discussion should start with who should create a site like this.

I could see a company like PornHub perhaps becoming interested if this was brought to their attention.

 

[OhWee]

Hmmmm, I looked over the Indiegogo TOS and had ruled them out, but then I found this...

 

[Onysko]

The main issue I can think of with having a similar platform to Patreon, only for adult content is -
Payment method. Paypal would never take part in this. Which is the most widely used payment method online, and probably the safest. I would never directly give any porn website my bank \ credit details.

 

[xephion]

isnt Enty the japanese patreon a good option?

 

[lynx33]

What's the difference between incest/extreme content in a fictional game and actual white supremacists? If you dont realize why this makes Hatreon a bad idea, I can't help you.

Hint: One is fictional, the other advocates real life violence against minorities and ethnic cleansing.

 

[Xhianil]

So I found

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recently, while not exact it is at least of note.

 

[Ryahn]

So I found

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recently, while not exact it is at least of note.

Issue with them, is that is like Kickstarter.

 

[Xhianil]

Issue with them, is that is like Kickstarter.

As I said, not exactly, but still worth noting, maybe they'll expend as time goes on.

 

[Zenathos815]

While I appreciate everyone who is concerned about laws of different countries and people wanting to say that their fetishes are free speech and payments being a concern hosting and all that is the massive behemoth of the issue. Me being in IT for a registrar my big concern is the i word (i don't mean incest but dealing with them frequently has convinced me that they know when you call their name) in short the authority. Ps i love this place too much to say the name and risk it coming up in one of their federated verbatim searches
While legal consequences and other things are a minor issue with them if you cross their guidelines hosts and registrars will know and can refuse to touch you. I don't believe they explicitly have direct rules and laws toward content but they have been known to play hard ball when it suits them so while i personally have no opinion on loli or shota and don't feel that pixels really matter. They dont care what you think. If you get black or grey listed on that side hosts and registries will not touch you. And this crosses all country lines. If you "own" a domain you are at their mercy. That doesn't mean that nobody gets away with it it just means that they built the system and they can find you. I have had the pleasure of taking part in some of those and the amount of info literally anyone can give them can follow you forever. While i think it's dumb to regulate games so heavily @muttdoggy does have valid ground when saying certain restrictions. You can put literally anything on the internet yes but it is their machine and it can be taken down. It's not an agenda to me to fear that content it's self preservation it gets especially weird when money gets involved

 

[muttdoggy]

Yup.. quite literally- it's money that runs this internet train.
Of course this train is not gonna stop anytime soon but some passengers may get thrown out during the ride.
To set up a patreon type site, you need money and investors. If someone has enough funds to get it started, then their next step is to attract funding from investors and set up a guaranteed income supply. If you don't, you will face what happened to many uploader sites, etc. So it is IMPERATIVE that you get money and attract investors. While it's true that "it's just pixels", it's also the image they portray and it's super important in the business and financial worlds. With that said, and I cannot say this enough, those who have the money set the rules.

 

[thecardinal]

I just hope that when an alternative site to host these games comes out, the devs go together, and not disperse to their own separate sites.

 

[anne O'nymous]

With that said, and I cannot say this enough, those who have the money set the rules.

Then come to Europe. Net neutrality is a reality here.
There's always at least 2 other offers in each single part of the country, whatever the country you choose. So operators don't go on nervous breakdown since they've more to loose than to win if they do so. And this apply to anything, from the cable/fiber network operators, to the ISP, including but not limited to, hosting operators. And like peering exchange points are none-profit based, there's really no point from where you can be kicked out, unless the justice say so.
The worse than can happen is that you'll be shadow banned. But like I said, net neutrality is a reality, so if an operator start to do this, he will loose the trust of the others, whatever they agree with your content or not. And like there's always an alternative, he will also loose his customers, whatever they are other operators or individuals.
And, finally, investors are less chilly and more open minded. Hey, the owner of the third ISP in my country started in the life by owning some peep-show, and now his society offer full fiber access, up to 1Gbps with unlimited traffic, VoIP and more than 100 TV channel for €40/month ; €20/month for the same offer but on, up to 20Mbps, ADSL. His society also own one of the four mobile operators and (what was and perhaps still is) the biggest (in size) host center in Europe. So, yeah, investors are really less chilly and more open minded...

The only ones who can set the rules in Europe are the government and, in this particular case, the payment partners. And even if the government succeed sometimes (like in the UK), they failed a lot of times in countries like France, Spain or Italy, to names only three.
No, really, here the only people who can goes against a patreon-like for porn are the partners you'll choose for the payment. So, choose one who agree from the start, use a TLD operated by a society not based in the US, host your main servers in Europe and also locate your society in Europe, then you're good. No one, except the justice, can come and try to impose his moral on you.

So, now who know a rich investor in Europe ?

 

[Deleted member 50069]

Also contacting with Patreon's empolyee is hell. Strange zendesk ticket system is literally pain in the ass, also no informations about paypal restrictions which made us wait 5 days for free. Another 3 days for receiving reply from they.

 

[Studio Errilhl]

Okay, I admit that I haven't read the entire thread, but it seems that the main concern is payment options. There are several available adult-focused paymentoptions-providers - I was looking into this with some other people when the first reports about the policychange from Patreon arrived, and I found at least two or three that mainly focus on adult content (mostly porn-pages, but I doubt they would have any trouble with a adult-gaming community). These cost money, of course, mostly a cut off the top, based on amount. Which is fine, you're not gonna get very good deals with these wares, so some of those are perfectly fine for such a startup.

Another problem is to actually get the supporters to follow. I guess you could post a link on your Patreon-page telling people to... "migrate here, please" - although I would guess that would get shut down quickly by Patreon. Patreon is well known, and popular, and there is a ton of people there, with successfull campaigns, and a community - it will be hard to get everyone to move over. So the "new site" needs to be better - or at least just as easy to use, just the same opportunities (or more / better ones) for integrating stuff to other sites, and so on.

 

[rs6.igg.biz]

here some I find that could be interesting:

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[bobdillan]

my 2cents. name it porntreon

 

[gamersglory]

I don't really see this idea as realistic unless you're coming from a position of considerable funding and experience. This isn't just about establishing a website and setting up payment solutions. You'd need legal expertise and business expertise (you need to handle things like VAT, for example, or risk legal action in significant parts of the world) at the very least. To realistically set up a Patreon alternative for porn, you pretty much have to establish a company and be prepared to not only make it your full-time job but to employ other people too.

For this reason, I think the discussion shouldn't start with how to create a site like this. The discussion should start with who should create a site like this.

I could see a company like PornHub perhaps becoming interested if this was brought to their attention.

In the US you do not need to worry about VAT. Yes, you would want to have a lawyer or two on the payroll. It's Mainly how you incorporate the business. I would make sure that the site would be bound to US law which is the better standard then EU law. Dealing with the EU is too big of a headache. Patreon itself is under US law and they don't have to deal with other governments plus there are laws that are good for crowdfunding sites. As for the full-time thing, you would want to have IT and web developers to keep things secure and to build the site up more.