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MangoMeta

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You're right, the ntr tag is there when it shouldn't be and perhaps I will do something about it, but this isn't just about a "misunderstanding" with the tags that people are reacting to, it's that they're claiming this game has numerous ntr scenes when it doesn't and then they're all stupidly annoyed about it and bashing this game for something that's non-existent.

The previous RPGM version did have secret side-quest scenes where Mia fucked other guys, often in slutty, humiliating ways, and Inceton has taken those out of this version but these idiots are stil acting like it's there when it isn't. Also, what Mia did wasn't even ntr because actual ntr is when a guy is forced to watch the girl he likes get fucked by 1 or more guys in a torturous sort of way, whereas what Mia was doing in that version was more like cheating as the MC was none the wiser. The reason these dunderheads cry about it being ntr is because they like Mia, and seeing her get fucked by anyone other than the MC who they project themselves onto makes them feel like they are being tortured by seeing her with someone else.

So it's not that the MC is having ntr done to him, but rather that these people feel like ntr is being done to them.
Well it sounds like the previous game did have ntr, at least in regards to the loose definition of this site. Either way, this one doesn't as you see it, and the removal of the tag might help some of the clutter.
 

greyelf

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This is why a developer should always make choices in a game.
A developer has the right to do whatever they like with their game, they are under no obligation (to the potential players) to gate content (eg. "always make choices in a game") or to add/remove anything else the developer doesn't want to.

You as a potential player have the right to choose whether or not to play said game.
 

Bahamut Zero

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A developer has the right to do whatever they like with their game, they are under no obligation (to the potential players) to gate content (eg. "always make choices in a game") or to add/remove anything else the developer doesn't want to.

You as a potential player have the right to choose whether or not to play said game.
This if you do not pay the game and buy the final product! But if you put you game on patreon and ask ppl to support you and ppl pay this thing is different! Don't try to be smart with me. Because I know very well how patreon works.
OFC there are case where the developer already say what they wanna do and also if ppl pay they do not change the thing. But is not the case of this developer.
 

Holy Bacchus

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Unfortunately, the developers don't take one thing into account. The games they create are financed by many people with different tastes. If you embark on a business where people pay you, then you should give them what they ask for.
That's terrible advice, especially for storytellers. Not everybody's tastes are going to be catered to by a story and the person telling it shouldn't let a vocal minority force them into changing their vision. If some aspect of the story doesn't interest a person, then move on. Don't bash the writer or talk shit about it just because you (not you specifically, just people in general) didn't like one aspect of it because there are plenty of other people who will and they are the only ones that matter at the end of the day.

Far too many writers are catering to the vocal minority and making unnecessary changes to stories and characters to try and please them whilst alienating the wider audience, not just with these adult games, but with movies, TV shows, books, video games, etc. We need more people to stand up and say, "no, I will not change these things because I have a story I want to tell and I am going to tell it the way I want."
 

greyelf

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But if you put you game on patreon and ask ppl to support you and ppl pay this thing is different! Don't try to be smart with me. Because I know very well how patreon works.
I'm glad that you're aware of what's in Patreon's Terms Of Service. Because that means that you're aware of what legal obligations are placed on a 'Creator' in regards to: supplying content to the people who 'Donate' money to them; or allowing those same people control of what that content contains.

(in case you're not aware, the answer is little or none.
 

Holy Bacchus

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Well it sounds like the previous game did have ntr, at least in regards to the loose definition of this site. Either way, this one doesn't as you see it, and the removal of the tag might help some of the clutter.
"Loose definition" is putting it mildly. As I said earlier, people cry "NTR!" if a guy who isn't the MC even so much as touches the main girl or any girl the MC can pursue.
 

Bahamut Zero

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That's terrible advice, especially for storytellers. Not everybody's tastes are going to be catered to by a story and the person telling it shouldn't let a vocal minority force them into changing their vision. If some aspect of the story doesn't interest a person, then move on. Don't bash the writer or talk shit about it just because you (not you specifically, just people in general) didn't like one aspect of it because there are plenty of other people who will and they are the only ones that matter at the end of the day.

Far too many writers are catering to the vocal minority and making unnecessary changes to stories and characters to try and please them whilst alienating the wider audience, not just with these adult games, but with movies, TV shows, books, video games, etc. We need more people to stand up and say, "no, I will not change these things because I have a story I want to tell and I am going to tell it the way I want."
I'm glad that you're aware of what's in Patreon's Terms Of Service. Because that means that you're aware of what legal obligations are placed on a 'Creator' in regards to: supplying content to the people who 'Donate' money to them; or allowing those same people control of what that content contains.

(in case you're not aware, the answer is little or none.
And your think that out there the thing go like that? Really? You say movie, tv show, books and game and so on.
Do you really think that the developer of game... do the game how they want? Do we need to speak about sjw? If you do not know who i mean i mean social justice warrior! Have you see how this guys literally change the plot of many game? And they raged so badly that a developer even hanged himself for their too many harassments
Look the shit they do with the ubisoft and with assassin's creed series. Where they do a war over male protagonist. Because they wanna a female and remove the male. And now the game is literally over a war, because ubisoft are really thinking of remove the male, to let sjw stay silent? We want to talk about the fact that the 90% of the movie today have only female protagonist?
Look tv series, anime, manga and comics. Almost all of then have only female protagonist. And do you think that they original plot was like that? No! The money roules the world. They change the thing base on the money factor! They change many thing based on politically correct thing. Today there is no more free will.
Do we need to speak about... Star wars 7/8/9? And how Disnay force the director of the movie to change the movie how did they want them? The director wrote something that had to be like this, but the disnay who pays said or do as I tell you or you go. Is it how it ended? The movie was made and was of a never seen garbage.

Today there is no more free will. And again... is for that that i say every time... add choice in game! Do two path.
So you make all ppl happy.
 

Holy Bacchus

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We want to talk about the fact that the 90% of the movie today have only female protagonist?
Look tv series, anime, manga and comics. Almost all of then have only female protagonist.
So we're just pulling made-up, misogynistic facts out of our ass now to justify why devs should cowtow to the demands of the vocal few?

Anyone who changes key aspects of their story's plot, be they a small-time adult game dev or a major Hollywood screenwriter, shames themselves by not having the courage of conviction to stand firm by their vision and have faith that their story that they want to tell is one that enough people will enjoy.
 

steelsmiter

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So I just got this game. One thing I'd like to see is more choice in the MC's sexuality/curiosity department. I thought it would be cool if you got the option to look at his friend when he had his pants down during truth or dare.
 

Kame-Sennin

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Mia: Gives a blowjob to another guy in a sharing scene that the MC is totally OK with and then another when she thinks she is being blackmailed.

Overly-sensitive betas: NTR! NTR! NTR! NTR! Mia's just a whore throwing herself at other guys!

Everybody else:
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Still count as ntr for me, because it is forced , no option to refuse and I become super jealous, better if Emma did that to Sam instead of MIa, I love ntr but I really don't like to see her touching other man, or even another man seeing her naked , so it's ntr for me, maybe for you it is not because you're okay with that
 

Holy Bacchus

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Still count as ntr for me, because it is forced , no option to refuse and I become super jealous, better if Emma did that to Sam instead of MIa, I love ntr but I really don't like to see her touching other man, or even another man seeing her naked , so it's ntr for me, maybe for you it is not because you're okay with that
How is it forced? Because players don't have the option to skip it? That's still not how NTR works because it's not about how the player feels, it's about how the MC feels and whether or not they are being forced to watch something they're not comfortable with. The fact is that the MC wasn't uncomfortable with it, he was perfectly OK with it, plus it totally seems like something that Mia would do in that particular situation so it's contextually appropriate.

NTR relates purely to the main protagonist and how they feel about the situation, not the person reading the story or playing the game who gets pangs of jealousy because they project their own feelings onto the situation rather than observe the feelings of the protagonist and pay proper attention to the story.
 
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