VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[minibaer12]

...and my beloved Sasha.

Who says that?

 

[Kazanovaromeo]

Who says that?

definitely, Sasha is a unique wonderful beloved Girl, I Love her, So What??!!

 

[Jarulf]

Me too...

But it's fine, I don't mind waiting. Lots of other games to play, books to read and shows to watch.
It's always nice when an update to a game you like drops, but I don't usually rush to play it. It may take a few days, even weeks sometimes.

 

[minibaer12]

definitely, Sasha is a unique wonderful beloved Girl, I Love her, So What??!!

Your statement is beyond reproach, BUT is your name on her face, on her body, or anywhere else? NO ergo, it's NOT YOUR SASHA! OK?

She belongs to all of us!!!

 

[Kazanovaromeo]

Your statement is beyond reproach, BUT is your name on her face, on her body, or anywhere else? NO ergo, it's NOT YOUR SASHA! OK?

She belongs to all of us!!!

NO.

 

[minibaer12]

NO.

that's how I know you, Kazanovaromeo

 

[alanrock]

Steam uses the PEGI system.

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is NOT german. PEGI is used by 41 european countries, but not in Germany. Germany uses an own system called

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. I don't know why so many people talking about a rating in Germany when it's nothing have to do with Germany.

No matter the naming it is a weird censorship.
What harm would boobs do to the Germans, turning them straight?

 

[Maviarab]

No matter the naming it is a weird censorship.
What harm would boobs do to the Germans, turning them straight?

It's especially odd given how crazy German porn is lol.

 

[Tremonia]

No matter the naming it is a weird censorship.

Well, talk with Steam. They use PEGI. The german system USK isn't as strict as PEGI. In Germany it's only porn if you see an erect dick and/or open vagina. Summer's Gone is USK 16 even with the removed pictures everybody talks about.

What harm would boobs do to the Germans, turning them straight?

Dude, once again: IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GERMANY! In fact nobody in Germany cares about boobs. You can see them on television in the afternoon, even in tv shows for children. It's not the USA where the whole country gets a meltdown when Janet Jackson shows a nipple during super bowl show.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Well, talk with Steam. They use PEGI. The german system USK isn't as strict as PEGI. In Germany it's only porn if you see an erect dick and/or open vagina. Summer's Gone is USK 16 even with the removed pictures everybody talks about.

Dude, once again: IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GERMANY! In fact nobody in Germany cares about boobs. You can see them on television in the afternoon, even in tv shows for children. It's not the USA where the whole country gets a meltdown when Janet Jackson shows a nipple during super bowl show.

So it gets PEGI 16, and can be bought in the US by pretty much anyone, because there is no age verification, but Germany which has a less strict rating, noone can download or buy it when the only sexual content is boobs and innuendo.

Makes complete sense.

 

[Mortarion]

No matter the naming it is a weird censorship.
What harm would boobs do to the Germans, turning them straight?

It's especially odd given how crazy German porn is lol.

So it gets PEGI 16, and can be bought in the US by pretty much anyone, because there is no age verification, but Germany which has a less strict rating, noone can download or buy it when the only sexual content is boobs and innuendo.

Makes complete sense.

Not Germany, or thier USK(former FSK), or PEGI are enforcing that censorship/geoblock.
Steam does.
Germany just want a proper age verification build into their platform to protect minors from 18+ content - and that is justified.
Moronic Steam is lazy as fuck and refuses to implement one, so Steam decided to go the easy way and geoblocks all 18+ content for the German players.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Not Germany, or thier USK(former FSK), or PEGI are enforcing that censorship/geoblock.
Steam does.
Germany just want a proper age verification to protect minors from 18+ content - and that is justified.
Moronic Steam is lazy as fuck and refuses to implement one, so Steam decided to go the easy way and geoblocks all 18+ content for the German players.

This is what I'm trying to understand - it hasn't received and 18+ rating, but a 16+ one, so why would it be geoblocked to germany?

 

[Tremonia]

So it gets PEGI 16, and can be bought in the US by pretty much anyone, because there is no age verification, but Germany which has a less strict rating, noone can download or buy it when the only sexual content is boobs and innuendo.

That's on Valve. In the EU you have to have an age verification system. It's EU law. The problem with Germany is that Germany is the only country in the EU where an old catholic hag sued Valve because of the lack of said verfication system. Instead of implementing an age verification system which fits to EU law, Valve decided to shadow ban german customers from games with sexual content. Same would happen if someone in the Netherlands, Poland, Austria, Denmark, France, Italy, etc. would sue them. Valve don't want to invest money into an age verification system. As long as no one goes to court no government cares about it. But it's EU law.

Makes complete sense.

No, it doesn't. It just shows you don't know the background about Steam, and just a FYI: as a german you can buy said games on Steam. You just have to know how.

 

[John972]

This is what I'm trying to understand - it hasn't received and 18+ rating, but a 16+ one, so why would it be geoblocked to germany?

1. SG has nudity (the rating is irrelevant)
2. Germany/the EU requires age verification for the purchase of such material.
3. Steam are cheap/lazy f**ks and won't implement an age verification system to comply with German/EU law.
4. Steam simply blocks all content falling under the age verification requirement from users in Germany, so to comply with German law.

 

[Mortarion]

This is what I'm trying to understand - it hasn't received and 18+ rating, but a 16+ one, so why would it be geoblocked to germany?

The rating is not the problem by itself, at least not alone. It's the content shown. And the nail steam is hanging Ocean out to dry is "frequent nudity"





But you are right the decision making on the side of steam is quite...
... questionable.

 

[BobTheDuck]

That's on Valve. In the EU you have to have an age verification system. It's EU law. The problem with Germany is that Germany is the only country in the EU where an old catholic hag sued Valve because of the lack of said verfication system. Instead of implementing an age verification system which fits to EU law, Valve decided to shadow ban german customers from games with sexual content. Same would happen if someone in the Netherlands, Poland, Austria, Denmark, France, Italy, etc. would sue them. Valve don't want to invest money into an age verification system. As long as no one goes to court no government cares about it. But it's EU law.
No, it doesn't. It just shows you don't know the background about Steam, and just a FYI: as a german you can buy said games on Steam. You just have to know how.

Sorry, the internet got in the way, I was sarcastic (at steam, not you) about it making sense, sorry. What you say here makes actual sense, thank you.

1. SG has nudity (the rating is irrelevant)
2. Germany/the EU requires age verification for the purchase of such material.
3. Steam are cheap/lazy f**ks and won't implement an age verification system to comply with German/EU law.
4. Steam simply blocks all content falling under the age verification requirement from users in Germany, so to comply with German law.

The rating is not the problem by itself, at least not alone. It's the content shown. And the nail steam is hanging Ocean out to dry is "frequent nudity"

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But you are right the decision making on the side of steam is quite...
... questionable.

This is interesting because I'm not from Europe. Steam has hidden the webpage globally now, so you have to sign in to see it, while if I view the Epic page from the US, (17+ there) I have to verify my age with the date, but from the Netherlands it is PEGI 16, no check, can see the Epic page, japan, IARC 16 no check, can see the Epic page.

So I guess there's a very inconsistent approach. I'll try finding a free german VPN to see that, more because I'm curious.

I guess they have decided the theme of the game is sexual even if there is no sex (which honestly, it is sexualised to be fair).

 

[Tremonia]

Sorry, the internet got in the way, I was sarcastic (at steam, not you) about it making sense, sorry. What you say here makes actual sense, thank you.

Ah, okay. I didn't get the sarcasm. Thank you for the clarification.

 

[Mortarion]

I'll try finding a free german VPN to see that, more because I'm curious.

No need to bother:

Without VPN from my home IP:

 

[BobTheDuck]

No need to bother:

Without VPN from my home IP:

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Now have a look at the SG page on Epic, which still shows publically in Germany and displays the USK 16 rating. Does Epic have an age verification when paying? I can't remember last time I bought a game off them.

So it seems it is simply Steam being once bitten twice shy.

 

[Mortarion]

Now have a look at the SG page on Epic, which still shows publically in Germany and displays the USK 16 rating.

Steam and Epic have the same system for survey a game, and Ocean has checked "frequent nudity" box at rare not often. on both platforms.
Steam, wants to change that from "rare" to "often" - as my screenshot shows. Now Ocean will change that on Epic as well, to have some kind consistency.

Does Epic have an age verification when paying? I can't remember last time I bought a game off them.

I have no fucking clue, I visit Epic only if I get a free game, or to wishlist SG.