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Hmm, I don't think it's possible that everyone is against her, indeed some are against her, but she's been at the top for quite a long time, so her supporters are probably quite loyal. at least, Noji is one of her supporters.:sneaky:
As for everyone being against Charlie, I agree, it's unlikely. However, I don't remember Nojiko being loyal to Charlie. All she said was that when necessary, she can speak out against her. However, many are simply afraid of her. So that an anonymous vote would obviously add a lot of votes against her, and who knows, maybe tip the scales in the other direction. It would be cool to see Jena as the new boss.Goodbye boring fairy tales, long live dirty stories. I can already see Nami’s joyful comments and Sasha’s curled ears.
 

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I hope so I want to like her but I cant personally forgive or trust her yet after she crossed a line for me. One of the rare times where im not understanding lol. So I do hope that does change for me eventually.
Although Ocean tried to shift the focus to Robin, she is less guilty. All she did was lure Nika using Nami's name. She did not directly harm either Nami or Nick. It was Zara and Nadya who chained and stripped MC. Zara also stuck foot in his mouth. In addition, Robin is the only one who sincerely apologizes to MC and is even ready to make amends. Nadya is more concerned that they used the name Nami,and not what she did with MC and she, like Zara, are simply forced to forgive.
 

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Although Ocean tried to shift the focus to Robin, she is less guilty. All she did was lure Nika using Nami's name. She did not directly harm either Nami or Nick. It was Zara and Nadya who chained and stripped MC. Zara also stuck foot in his mouth. In addition, Robin is the only one who sincerely apologizes to MC and is even ready to make amends. Nadya is more concerned that they used the name Nami,and not what she did with MC and she, like Zara, are simply forced to forgive.
Robin is still the one who enacted Zara’s plan. She is more guilty than Nadia.
Put it that way, Zara and Nadia couldn’t chain and strip him without Robin’s deception to start with.
Zara is the most contemptible, then Robin and then Nadya.
 

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Robin is still the one who enacted Zara’s plan. She is more guilty than Nadia.
Put it that way, Zara and Nadia couldn’t chain and strip him without Robin’s deception to start with.
Zara is the most contemptible, then Robin and then Nadya.
I completely disagree. Imagine a situation, a woman was ordered to lure a man into a trap. She lures him without knowing what awaits him. In the trap, two other people kill a man. By your logic, the woman is more guilty than the murderers.
 

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As for everyone being against Charlie, I agree, it's unlikely. However, I don't remember Nojiko being loyal to Charlie. All she said was that when necessary, she can speak out against her. However, many are simply afraid of her. So that an anonymous vote would obviously add a lot of votes against her, and who knows, maybe tip the scales in the other direction. It would be cool to see Jena as the new boss.Goodbye boring fairy tales, long live dirty stories. I can already see Nami’s joyful comments and Sasha’s curled ears.
We don't even know who Charlie is, other than Robin's mom. Where does she fit in the bookclub, when Katie isn't the leader, where there are so many high profile people? I kinda feel it will be interesting to find out how she gets that position, when so many of the bookclub are quite rebellious. Is it just because it's her house maybe? If it's her house, she's as loaded, so one of the big players in some way.

If we're interested in what Robin's hiding, it's probably her connections - her friendship with Sasha wasn't her only high profile friend, she used to be friends with Bella, and wants to repair things with her. Someone mentione that in the code, there's different dialogue with Robin at the gym, depending on how you interact with Bella - I can't remember. I guess I'm thinking it's important to notice her as someone separate from Sasha, even if Sasha's the dominant one.

Regarding culpability, Nadia and Zara coerced Robin to helping them. You have the choice to forgive her or not. In a story about healing, what is the clear implication? If we chose actions that are generous and forgiving, other paths might open up, given the direction of the story.
 

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I completely disagree. Imagine a situation, a woman was ordered to lure a man into a trap. She lures him without knowing what awaits him. In the trap, two other people kill a man. By your logic, the woman is more guilty than the murderers.
Robin knew Zara had ill intentions and she still went along (right after Nika humiliated Zara, come on).
The scenario you describe is completely different. If the woman knew the two people were going to harm the man (like Robin) she would be equally as guilty of what happened to him.
 

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It's been talked about since maybe Jan - Ocean would lose the music licenses if he didn't cut the downstairs nudity. Top nudity he could get away with without risking his licenses. It would have the added advantage of not being geoblocked in German and China on steam. The important thing was not losing the licenses, requiring all the cinematics to be reworked, and a lot of scenes to be repaced to new music.

Sacrificing a few penis shots, and one minor lewd scene vs maybe a year of further reworks seems an excellent tradeoff.

Now that Ocean has it approved by steam, season 2 will be easier - he's finding simpler music licenses to avoid the same thing happening again.
i believe what you're saying but at the same time Ocean is kinda bull crapping with that statement .
BADIK has a lot of the same songs and the only ones that were removed was because the band itself asked Dr.P to remove 'em.
We all know that BADIK has tons of nudity , that vn is a FULL FRONTAL ( pun intended) assault right from the get go with D ,T and A.
Anyways i'm still hoping for Ocean to comeback to more frequent updates 'cause as a supporting member (even if it is per update) kinda sucks when developers go the merry-go-round to move their projects forward.
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Although Ocean tried to shift the focus to Robin, she is less guilty. All she did was lure Nika using Nami's name. She did not directly harm either Nami or Nick. It was Zara and Nadya who chained and stripped MC. Zara also stuck foot in his mouth. In addition, Robin is the only one who sincerely apologizes to MC and is even ready to make amends. Nadya is more concerned that they used the name Nami,and not what she did with MC and she, like Zara, are simply forced to forgive.
Yeah Zara is the worst one in this scenario. Not sure if I forgiven her completely either tbh I need to replay her path once it's out on steam as I barley recall Zara but from what I recall they just act like nothing happened. Yeah all Robin did was use Nami's name however that is enough for me not to forgive her or trust her. Even if she sincerely apologizes it's gonna take more than that for me to forgive and trust her as to me that is a line you do not cross. She could of lured the MC in a number of different ways. When it comes to Nadia idk why it's hard for me to stay mad at her partially because she is kind of cute how she acts with her banana and well what Nadia did didn't feel nearly as bad as what Zara or Robin did to me.
 
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i believe what you're saying but at the same time Ocean is kinda bull crapping with that statement .
BADIK has a lot of the same songs and the only ones that were removed was because the band itself asked Dr.P to remove 'em.
We all know that BADIK has tons of nudity , that vn is a FULL FRONTAL ( pun intended) assault right from the get go with D ,T and A.
Anyways i'm still hoping for Ocean to comeback to more frequent updates 'cause as a supporting member (even if it is per update) kinda sucks when developers go the merry-go-round to move their projects forward.
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It's from a devlog back around ch 4 or 4.5 I think - the bands actually were pulling out due to the content. Ocean did what he could to prevent having to start over with the music. Any dev probably won't explain in detail what the game is, and over the development, any preview the bands/artists had when they agreed is probably superceded. Also, bands getting successful suddenly hire managers who review all their contracts. Moving forward into season 2 fixes the impasse though - like most devs who've had similar happen, they make sure they choose better.
 

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Yeah Zara is the worst one in this scenario. Not sure if I forgiven her completely either tbh I need to replay her path once it's out on steam as I barley recall Zara but from what I recall they just act like nothing happened. Yeah all Robin did was use Nami's name however that is enough for me not to forgive her or trust her. Even if she sincerely apologizes it's gonna take more than that for me to forgive and trust her as to me is a line you do not cross. She could of lured the MC in a number of different ways. When it comes to Nadia idk why it's hard for me to stay mad at her partially because she is kind of cute how she acts with her banana and well what Nadia did didn't feel nearly as bad as what Zara or Robin did to me.
It doesn’t matter how Robin lured Nika or that she used Nami’s name.
No one coerced Robin. She had a choice to say NO to Zara, no one was pointing a gun at her head. Instead she complied. It paints her as a weak person who yelds and lets people use her cause otherwise she might lose their friendship.
That’s in part why I don’t like her, not for what she did but for the principle behind her action. That said she can still become a stronger person.
 

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It doesn’t matter how Robin lured Nika or that she used Nami’s name.
No one coerced Robin. She had a choice to say NO to Zara, no one was pointing a gun at her head. Instead she complied. It paints her as a weak person who yelds and lets people use her cause otherwise she might lose their friendship.
That’s in part why I don’t like her, not for what she did but for the principle behind her action. That said she can still become a stronger person.
I don't entirely agree at least to me personally using Nami's name was important. You are right but if she didn't use Nami's name I could probably forgiven her with the potential of being friends at a later date while keeping her at arms length until I can trust her. But I sure as hell wouldn't trust her until I know she grows some backbone and won't be manipulated / used again. Cause yeah the fact she lured us and not the how she did it was what made me lose some trust but then she doubled down and used Nami's name which made me really not trust her
 

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Robin knew Zara had ill intentions and she still went along (right after Nika humiliated Zara, come on).
The scenario you describe is completely different. If the woman knew the two people were going to harm the man (like Robin) she would be equally as guilty of what happened to him.
You won't be a very good judge... But at least you changed your mind that Robin was more guilty, and now at least you think that they are equal.

We don't even know who Charlie is, other than Robin's mom. Where does she fit in the bookclub, when Katie isn't the leader, where there are so many high profile people? I kinda feel it will be interesting to find out how she gets that position, when so many of the bookclub are quite rebellious. Is it just because it's her house maybe? If it's her house, she's as loaded, so one of the big players in some way.
I absolutely agree. Sponsoring such a place is not a cheap pleasure and we have yet to find out what this club is hiding. Leia’s presence alone is enough to raise a lot of questions.


Regarding culpability, Nadia and Zara coerced Robin to helping them. You have the choice to forgive her or not. In a story about healing, what is the clear implication? If we chose actions that are generous and forgiving, other paths might open up, given the direction of the story.
If this is a story about healing, why force us into a situation where we are not given the opportunity to solve problems legally. The situation with Zara and Nadya - just complain to the dean. Same story with Say. Give us the opportunity not to throw that knight in white in the library, but to explain ourselves .And of course, with the emerging story with a psychopath from a rich family (Melanie), under no circumstances should you approach her. Neither for Vika’s sake, nor for Zara’s sake. Absolutely. MC seems to be stuck in a situation where problems can be solved in a darker way he doesn’t have the skills/strength/money for this, but for some reason we are not allowed to solve everything in a brighter way.
For healing, first of all, you need not to be a hero, but to take care of yourself, and look at the problems of others from the outside.
 

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You won't be a very good judge... But at least you changed your mind that Robin was more guilty, and now at least you think that they are equal.
I don't excuse the behavior you talk about.
No they're not equally guilty. Robin is more guilty than Nadya but less than Zara, don't let me repeat myself.
 

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It doesn’t matter how Robin lured Nika or that she used Nami’s name.
No one coerced Robin. She had a choice to say NO to Zara, no one was pointing a gun at her head. Instead she complied. It paints her as a weak person who yelds and lets people use her cause otherwise she might lose their friendship.
That’s in part why I don’t like her, not for what she did but for the principle behind her action. That said she can still become a stronger person.
Depending on paths Nadia apologises, and she owes you. And Robin was coerced, even if she wasn't told directly how to do it. Question is, why believe Nadia? Nika just humiliated her and Zara, Zara still at this point says it's only over when she destroys Nika. Intent is there for all three. All of them are equally shitty, but Nika also uses people and coerces favours. So i'm not sure there is a worse person.


d "Okay enough... So Robin is responsible for mentioning Nami?"
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na "...Not entirely... maybe. We were a little harsh when we told her to bait you..."


Also, clear example of non performative regret - Robin regrets what happened without virtue signalling it to Nika - he's not there to hear this.

rob "She'll get him..."
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sas "They will find out."
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rob "I don't care. He didn't deserve it."


I could probably find some more stuff, but that's enough for me to see there are no innocents, and no-one's really an evil mastermind.

If this is a story about healing, why force us into a situation where we are not given the opportunity to solve problems legally. The situation with Zara and Nadya - just complain to the dean. Same story with Say. Give us the opportunity not to throw that knight in white in the library, but to explain ourselves .And of course, with the emerging story with a psychopath from a rich family (Melanie), under no circumstances should you approach her. Neither for Vika’s sake, nor for Zara’s sake. Absolutely. MC seems to be stuck in a situation where problems can be solved in a darker way he doesn’t have the skills/strength/money for this, but for some reason we are not allowed to solve everything in a brighter way.
For healing, first of all, you need not to be a hero, but to take care of yourself, and look at the problems of others from the outside.
The choice to heal I guess only makes sense when we see how Nika starts off reactive, with uncontrolled emotions. We do get multiple chances to make better choices, but Ocean needs to establish that Nika is not stable and can tend to violence, that he isn't able to control all his actions, or push everything down. Given Ocean's love of SW, there always has to be the temptation leading the padawan astray... :sneaky: I think that the complexity of allowing a moral choice at every point of the story is just too complex for Ocean to carry out - it's already going to be a long ride. The redemptive arc with Zara already was mostly unchosen, that was done in the lighter way. As Nika says, he's trying to be a better person:


d "But you used the most important person in my life as bait."
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d "If it wasn't for the fact that I'm trying to be a better person, and your father was dating Noji, I would've retaliated in a way that would make your little stunt look like it was nothing."
d "And I'll tell you the same thing I told Nadia."
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d "Never! Never ever use Nami or any person I love against me ever again!"
d "Or I'll make sure you regret it."
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za "Maybe we did overdo it a little."
d "You think so?"
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za "Yeah... okay... We both did something... uncool."


Also, notice Zara doesn't contradict Nika about using Nami as bait?
 

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A year of reworks to change a few tracks??? rofl....
You are aware that a license for a single title can cost several thousand dollars? One single title, and every music title in the game is licensed. Violate the ToS from the license holder will lead to the lost of the license and the money is also gone.
So I can understand perfectly why Ocean has decided to do what he has done.

Ugh I don't even know why I'm posting here, apparently whoever mods this thread is overzealous.
I don't understand the problem.
Some users have decided to behave like assholes, then they can carry the consequences.

Ocean was aiming for a +16 rating, and he got a +18, so all the censoring was doing for nothing ?
No, the game has still 16+ on steam
 

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We don't even know who Charlie is, other than Robin's mom. Where does she fit in the bookclub, when Katie isn't the leader, where there are so many high profile people? I kinda feel it will be interesting to find out how she gets that position, when so many of the bookclub are quite rebellious. Is it just because it's her house maybe? If it's her house, she's as loaded, so one of the big players in some way.
I'm really not sure if this is a real book club. I think it's actually a cover... And if we take in consideration their past, all criminal families are there in one place... For book reading?
it's more a horny MILF club... :ROFLMAO:
 

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Although Ocean tried to shift the focus to Robin, she is less guilty. All she did was lure Nika using Nami's name. She did not directly harm either Nami or Nick. It was Zara and Nadya who chained and stripped MC. Zara also stuck foot in his mouth. In addition, Robin is the only one who sincerely apologizes to MC and is even ready to make amends. Nadya is more concerned that they used the name Nami,and not what she did with MC and she, like Zara, are simply forced to forgive.
What are you guys even discussing about? Legal consequences?

Nika didnt gave a fuck about being chained or stripped or even Zara's foot in his mouth. He let it happen to let them vent and get a few relationship points.

The only thing pissing him really off was that they made up Nami being in grave danger to lure him in. As is shown with Summer again and again its obvious that Nika has serious abandonment issues which makes fucking with him involving the potential loss of a loved one way worse as it is anyway already.

Nothing off the stuff you mentioned, mattered for Nika at all and thats why Zara felt guilty about Nami's name being inolveld but not about the other stuff as it obviously wasnt fun at all for Nika. Same with Nadya who supposedly knows how it feels to lose a loved one.

But i dont blame the girls too much, it was a unlucky occurence and i believe they all learned their lesson and wouldnt do anything like that again. No need to get hate-boners about something this minor in the long run.
 

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A year of reworks to change a few tracks??? rofl....

Ugh I don't even know why I'm posting here, apparently whoever mods this thread is overzealous.
A year of improvements to bring the quality of the graphics of the old chapters in line with the new ones, since the gap was too large. And also eliminate the discrepancy between the plot of the new and old chapters. And thereby make a completed first season for release on Steam.
 

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What are you guys even discussing about? Legal consequences?

Nika didnt gave a fuck about being chained or stripped or even Zara's foot in his mouth. He let it happen to let them vent and get a few relationship points.

The only thing pissing him really off was that they made up Nami being in grave danger to lure him in. As is shown with Summer again and again its obvious that Nika has serious abandonment issues which makes fucking with him involving the potential loss of a loved one way worse as it is anyway already.

Nothing off the stuff you mentioned, mattered for Nika at all and thats why Zara felt guilty about Nami's name being inolveld but not about the other stuff as it obviously wasnt fun at all for Nika. Same with Nadya who supposedly knows hot it feels to lose a loved one.

But i dont blame the girls too much, it was a unlucky occurence and i believe they all learned their lesson and wouldnt do anything like that again. No need to get hate-boners about something this minor in the long run.
Honestly didn't think of my hate for Robin from Nika's point of view. But yeah after reading this I think it makes more sense to not forgive her personal reasons aside.
 

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What are you guys even discussing about? Legal consequences?

Nika didnt gave a fuck about being chained or stripped or even Zara's foot in his mouth. He let it happen to let them vent and get a few relationship points.

The only thing pissing him really off was that they made up Nami being in grave danger to lure him in. As is shown with Summer again and again its obvious that Nika has serious abandonment issues which makes fucking with him involving the potential loss of a loved one way worse as it is anyway already.

Nothing off the stuff you mentioned, mattered for Nika at all and thats why Zara felt guilty about Nami's name being inolveld but not about the other stuff as it obviously wasnt fun at all for Nika. Same with Nadya who supposedly knows hot it feels to lose a loved one.

But i dont blame the girls too much, it was a unlucky occurence and i believe they all learned their lesson and wouldnt do anything like that again. No need to get hate-boners about something this minor in the long run.
You're right, he didn't resist. He figured it out that it was foul play when he entered the hall... He didn't resist, he accepted the punishment. But he knew Nami was safe and OK. And he knew he started it...
 
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