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Mamaragan

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But is that all Oceanlab's AVN's really is just nice renders and nice music ? what about the Storys of WiaB and Summer's Gone both games storys have gone through so much change over the last 6 years what they once was which made some of us fans the rest don't know what the old games was like all they see is the new versions. Yeah the renders are great to look at but if the story behind the great renders is fucked up and doesn't make sense then the nice renders means nothing if you can't tell a story as a Dev and your story is a far cry from what it once was and the big question is how much more changes will come in the future.:unsure:
What of the story was changed?
 
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What of the story was changed?
Well from what i can remember the Scene were Nami was watching porn at home and i believe Nika caught her and the Scene with the teacher running over Vic and Nika saying he sould end Vic and the teacher she pointed a gun at Nika and him taking it from her and then you are given a choice to shoot her, And i know people remember when we had dark as a path in the game.
 
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Well from what i can remember the Scene were Nami was watching porn at home and i believe Nika caught her and the Scene with the teacher running over Vic and Nika saying he sould end Vic and the teacher she pointed a gun at Nika and him taking it from her and then you are given a choice to shoot her, And i know people remember when we had dark as a path in the game.
That's it? The gun scene didn't make any sense, and the thing with Nami, you have Germany to blame for.
And yes, It's unfortunate that the dark path was removed, i liked it too, but the game was barely in the prologue when it was done so not much was lost.

Then, I'd like you to remember that we have currently multiple groups, companies, and even Govt who are at war with “harmful content” and that Ocean already paid the price when his WIAB patreon was nuked.

So 2 choices: Either tone down some of the aspect of the game (unfortunate) or keep it like it was and face the consequences (getting banned and nuked out of the internet).
 

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That's it? The gun scene didn't make any sense, and the thing with Nami, you have Germany to blame for.
And yes, It's unfortunate that the dark path was removed, i liked it too, but the game was barely in the prologue when it was done so not much was lost.

Then, I'd like you to remember that we have currently multiple groups, companies, and even Govt who are at war with “harmful content” and that Ocean already paid the price when his WIAB patreon was nuked.

So 2 choices: Either tone down some of the aspect of the game (unfortunate) or keep it like it was and face the consequences (getting banned and nuked out of the internet).
I feel as time moves forward the Censorship will be worse as it has come the last several years already. Goverments put pressure on companies and want to control content creators thinking that we fans will just give up and stop wanting such content from our games we play. But it just makes us want it more so fan made patches will be in more demand as time goes on to avoid the censorship.
 
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That's it? The gun scene didn't make any sense, and the thing with Nami, you have Germany to blame for.
And yes, It's unfortunate that the dark path was removed, i liked it too, but the game was barely in the prologue when it was done so not much was lost.
I agree with you that the shooting scene was pointless. But there are scenes besides it that can change the meaning of the game. For example, the scene in the jacuzzi, in it we are shown that MC is not impotent, and this changes the whole meaning of the story.
 
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I agree with you that the shooting scene was pointless. But there are scenes besides it that can change the meaning of the game. For example, the scene in the jacuzzi, in it we are shown that MC is not impotent, and this changes the whole meaning of the story.
yeah i remember that nami told nika that she felt him get kinda hard from her grinding her ass on his dick. oh and hold up and the scene with nika and bella at the store nika got naked and showed bella his dick and bella got on her knees and seen it up close wasn't that also removed ?
 
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yeah i remember that nami told nika that she felt him get kinda hard from her grinding her ass on his dick. oh and hold up and the scene with nika and bella at the store nika got naked and showed bella his dick and bella got on her knees and seen it up close wasn't that also removed ?
It was only removed if you're dumb enough to not use the wonderful Uncut Mod ;)
 
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He can't because they're siblings. The "race with impossible odds" has been officially canceled because incest is a no-no.
what? really?

This is become super confusing. First, it's quite clear that Nika and Nami introduced as Childhood Friend that have been raised by Noji (since the surname Cyrus only applied to Nika). So its not incest at first place.

Although i'm confused by the "race with impossible odds" things and the dialog that happen between Nika and Nami by the pool that sounds like they're "actual" siblings.

Well, if its canceled, and Ocean return the intention for Nika and Nami as siblings, its kinda shame thou, since Cheeto is one of hella attractive LI compared other girls (REDHEAD POWER!!!!).
 

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I can't understand you. How can they be brother and sister if they have different parents?
Hmmm...different timelines? :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
what? really?

This is become super confusing. First, it's quite clear that Nika and Nami introduced as Childhood Friend that have been raised by Noji (since the surname Cyrus only applied to Nika). So its not incest at first place.

Although i'm confused by the "race with impossible odds" things and the dialog that happen between Nika and Nami by the pool that sounds like they're "actual" siblings.

Well, if its canceled, and Ocean return the intention for Nika and Nami as siblings, its kinda shame thou, since Cheeto is one of hella attractive LI compared other girls (REDHEAD POWER!!!!).
The fact that you're confused is the problem :)

The way the game is written makes it at odds with itself. Therefore we, as players, have to decide which of the polar opposite directions the game goes in, makes more sense.
 
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I don't want to offend you, but I seriously doubt your words. Many people compress 4k images and make FHD out of them to improve the quality of renders. This primarily helps to get rid of noise that is clearly visible on a dark background.
Not offended, but I don't really understand what doubts do you have. I know that downscaling noisy 4K renders improves their quality and some of the game devs are rendering in 4K with low iteration count and then downscale resulting noisy images to FHD. "Compression" here is not the correct term, compression never improves quality. It's the downscaling with interpolation and denoise filters that helps to smooth out the noise.

But I was simply stating what Ocean has said himself. He has been rendering in 4K for several years and for the season 1 he downscaled 4K to FHD. Maybe he did it to denoise images initially, I don't really know. But with the new rendering rig he renders images in HQ 4K and is going to release the season 2 in original 4K. I'm not quoting him here word for word, but it's what he said and we have no reason to doubt that he will.

What exactly are you having doubts about here?

But the problem is that Ocean stopped working with light settings and all his renders became very dark.
This is definitely not the case. On the contrary, he has made good progress creating this kind of low lighting ambience for many scenes intentionally. This has been his signature for this game from the very beginning if you haven't noticed it yet.

Originally this kind of architectural assets are filled with flood lights that creates little or no shadows to make every detail visible.
Would Ocean stop setting up scene lighting, this is what it would look like, as it looks in the works of many beginners.

Ocean, however, is creating artistic, photographic, cinematic scenes and quite a lot of them are dark with minimal and carefully set lighting, helping the music to set the mood of these scenes.

As a photographer, I find his work mostly good and often excellent. Especially the lighting, selecting depth of focus and composition, the mood it creates as a whole.

This is not some sloppy work. On the contrary, this is something that isn't easy to achieve and for photographers and 3D artists it takes time and effort to learn how to get this kind of results. Setting up this kind of lighting takes several test shots for a photographer and several test renders for a 3D artist with small changes in the scene lighting before you get what you want.

The easiest would be to simply switch on the cam light and flood lights everywhere, the way most beginners tend to do. They do this because they don't know any better and it takes minimal effort.

Therefore, there was a lot of noise in his renders and the quality dropped significantly. This is clearly visible if you compare old and new chapters in season 1. This is also visible in his renders from the logs.
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Did you actually open these season 2 sample images and zoomed in in an image viewer or are you talking about the parts of these images that are simply out of focus and therefore blurred?

What you can see there while zooming into pixels are some compression artifacts that F95 avif compressor or a jpg compressor somewhere else made there, but what I don't seem to be able to find there is digital noise from noisy rendering.

You should know that unfortunately, we can not see any of the original 4K png renders on F95, since the site compresses everything to low quality avif that cuts off shades of dark colors in dark areas (this is probably what you mentioned about the dark areas) and lowers the overall quality of images.

And artifacts that you can see in these images are likely created after downloading them from here, converting them to jpg and then uploading back to F95 again, re-compressing them into avif again and losing even more quality and likely creating some additional jpg compression artifacts.

The only way to post original renders here would be to zip them and post as attachments or host them somewhere else and link them. These images were not posted this way and we haven't seen them in original quality.

PS. Season 1 in-game renders are also heavily compressed jpg images, cutting FHD image sizes down to about 200 kilobytes. This is very low and visible everywhere in dark areas where instead of smooth gradients you can see blobs of different levels of dark colors. This is what any kind of lossy compression typically creates. Didn't see much, if any digital noise there, either. I just now checked them out again to be sure.
 
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"Compression" here is not the correct term, compression never improves quality. It's the downscaling with interpolation and denoise filters that helps to smooth out the noise.
That's right. But most people write... "I compressed 4k to FHD to improve quality." Almost no one writes... "I interpolated 4k renders to FHD"
Don't ask me why this happens, I don't know, maybe people don't like the word "interpolation". I'm already used to saying it myself.
This is definitely not the case. On the contrary, he has made good progress creating this kind of low lighting ambience for many scenes intentionally. This has been his signature for this game from the very beginning if you haven't noticed it yet.
You are wrong, Ocean did not do low lighting from the start. You can see for yourself if you watch chapters 3 and 3.5, Ocean did not remake them and there is no low lighting there. It was in chapter 5 and in the remake for Steam (chapters 1 and 2) that many renders with low lighting appeared.
By the way, the author of The Grey Dream started doing low lighting renders earlier than Ocean, so this is probably his calling card.

As a photographer, I find his work mostly good and often excellent. Especially the lighting, selecting depth of focus and composition, the mood it creates as a whole.
What a coincidence, you and I are colleagues, I am also into photography. I completely agree with you, Ocean has a lot of good and excellent renders, he is a master at this. Unfortunately, Ocean absolutely does not know how to make renders with low light. When I look at such renders, I do not understand what Ocean wants to show us by making the image barely distinguishable. I heard that he is so veiledly protesting about the power outages in Germany.(old joke)

And artifacts that you can see in these images are likely created after downloading them from here, converting them to jpg and then uploading back to F95 again, re-compressing them into avif again and losing even more quality and likely creating some additional jpg compression artifacts.
You guessed wrong, I didn’t download them from this site.
 
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