VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[Cabin Fever]

I don't even know what to say.....

Uhm, say that you're wrong?

Let's face it, while liking a render or not is entirely subjective and there's no right or wrong on that matter, you literally got the objective part of it wrong by attributing Ocean's work to Regium.

Word of advice. Many of us were around and experienced first hand the drama surrounding all the rewrites. And judging by the date you joined, you weren't. So when one of the "old-timers" tell you that you got the objective stuff wrong, take the loss and move on.

 

[X2JZcf]

I don't understand what the drop in render quality is connected to, and it doesn't make me happy.

Maybe it’s your monitor?
Try experimenting with your monitor’s color profile. In Adobe RGB 1998, all the "darkness" should disappear, and you can use that as a starting point to adjust the image in a direction you prefer. However, for 100% fidelity to the author's intent, you'd need to know what monitor Ocean uses, what color space he’s working in, and so on.
On the other hand, it might just be Bella.

 

[SToyS]

Let's face it, while liking a render or not is entirely subjective and there's no right or wrong on that matter, you literally got the objective part of it wrong by attributing Ocean's work to Regium.

You are not reading carefully. I do not deny that I mixed up the Ocean and Region renders. But the topic of the conversation was not about them, but about low-light renders. Their quality is declining with each update. That is the whole problem. There is nothing to argue about, because this is an irrefutable fact.

 

[X2JZcf]

there's no right or wrong on that matter,

Completely disagree. Render + Maja/Amber/Nami/Sasha == right

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[Mamaragan]

There is nothing to argue about, because this is an irrefutable fact.

Most likely within your own narrow worldview. I have no idea why you're complaining about renders being dark when it's supposed to be dark. What's the point? Are you trying to prove that ocean is overrated in terms of render quality? This is probably the last thing you could complain about, since, out of all the games and their renders, he's at the top of his game, competing with only a select few.

 

[SToyS]

Most likely within your own narrow worldview. I have no idea why you're complaining about renders being dark when it's supposed to be dark. What's the point? Are you trying to prove that ocean is overrated in terms of render quality? This is probably the last thing you could complain about, since, out of all the games and their renders, he's at the top of his game, competing with only a select few.

Since when are renders with bad lighting settings considered quality? Renders, like photographs, should convey emotions. What can a render convey where you can't see anything?

I've seen enough of people with broad worldviews. They pour paint up their asses and fart on canvas and consider it art. I'll leave the broad worldview to you, and I'll remain an old-school person with a narrow worldview.

 

[Mamaragan]

Since when are renders with bad lighting settings considered quality? Renders, like photographs, should convey emotions. What can a render convey where you can't see anything?

I've seen enough of people with broad worldviews. They pour paint up their asses and fart on canvas and consider it art. I'll leave the broad worldview to you, and I'll remain an old-school person with a narrow worldview.

 

[Wolfkins]

I don't even know what to say..... I've seen a bunch of reworked versions of SG except this one. Reworking 1 chapter twice seems like too much.

But that doesn't change the reason for our discussion. The fact that Ocean started making a bunch of renders with poor quality of low lighting has unfortunately not gone away.

Now that it turns out that the old renders from Chapter 1 were done by Ocean, not Regium, it's even sadder. Ocean used to do amazingly beautiful renders with low lighting that were simply mesmerizing.

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And now we've started getting this horror.

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I don't understand what the drop in render quality is connected to, and it doesn't make me happy.

I'm sorry Good Sir/or Madame but you seem to have equated the lack of extreme brightness to a lack of quality....which is quite frankly not the case. These renders are lush with beautiful ambient lighting which helps to set the tone of the storytelling, they are quite literally BRILLIANT (just maybe not in a way you see as luminous ;P )
It's perfectly fine if you don't care for darkness and/or the charoscuro artistic path but your dislike of the style does not have anything to do with the quality of the renders, merely the way the lighting is staged.

 

[SToyS]

I'm sorry Good Sir/or Madame but you seem to have equated the lack of extreme brightness to a lack of quality....which is quite frankly not the case. These renders are lush with beautiful ambient lighting which helps to set the tone of the storytelling, they are quite literally BRILLIANT

Tell me, do you think these 2 Ocean renders are equally good? If your answer is "yes", could you explain why?

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[alanrock]

Tell me, do you think these 2 Ocean renders are equally good? If your answer is "yes", could you explain why?

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I prefer the second picture because it features Bella .... the first render is also quite good.

 

[Virgin@Xx]

hey guys, so when can we expect chapter 2's release?

 

[Ray_D]

hey guys, so when can we expect chapter 2's release?

December if everything goes well, 2026 if something goes wrong or if the German government decides to change its tax policy.

 

[Trojaner]

December if everything goes well, 2026 if something goes wrong or if the German government decides to change its tax policy.

Cough cough ... Or if Ocean finds some Pixel probs in the Renders and thinks: "Fuck, i have to Redo all shit again."

 

[Badboy8151]

He can't because they're siblings. The "race with impossible odds" has been officially canceled because incest is a no-no.

What really when did ocean say that ?

 

[SearingFive]

Tell me, do you think these 2 Ocean renders are equally good? If your answer is "yes", could you explain why?

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Both have different light sources. How can you even compare those two? You literally have bleeding ambient lights when you are outdoors and controlled ambient lights indoors and turn up the brightness in your monitor, if you all see is black.

 

[shenlao]

Both have different light sources. How can you even compare those two? You literally have bleeding ambient lights when you are outdoors and controlled ambient lights indoors and turn up the brightness in your monitor, if you all see is black.

for last few page ppl debating regarding this "different" quality. While in my eyes, both are great. And if we compare Ocean's work compared other AVN, this is one of the best quality i ever met.

Hell, bcz of SG and some other AVN (like BaDIK, Strangers on Papers, WIAB, Summer Heat), i hardly can play other AVN because the models, lightnings and stories cannot satisfy what i want.

I'm sorry if i'm off topic here, but while we wait SG season 2, maybe any of you can give me reference of good AVN that have similar quality like SG?

 

[FunChaser]

I'm sorry if i'm off topic here, but while we wait SG season 2, maybe any of you can give me reference of good AVN that have similar quality like SG?

Similar quality is too hard to find, but you can look here and here

 

[handsoem]

for last few page ppl debating regarding this "different" quality. While in my eyes, both are great. And if we compare Ocean's work compared other AVN, this is one of the best quality i ever met.

Hell, bcz of SG and some other AVN (like BaDIK, Strangers on Papers, WIAB, Summer Heat), i hardly can play other AVN because the models, lightnings and stories cannot satisfy what i want.

I'm sorry if i'm off topic here, but while we wait SG season 2, maybe any of you can give me reference of good AVN that have similar quality like SG?

Similar quality is definitely Superhuman, not same art style or premise though.

 

[shenlao]

Similar quality is too hard to find, but you can look here and here

Thank you, i'll look into it brother!!

Similar quality is definitely Superhuman, not same art style or premise though.

I don't really like the art style of Superhuman, thou ppl said it is one of good AVN around. But thank you for the reference brother

 

[Turret]

December if everything goes well, 2026 if something goes wrong or if the German government decides to change its tax policy.

While a reform of the taxes is overdue, I would not give too much credence to Ocean when he rambles about his living situation hitting the development of WIAB and SG. Ocean is nearly as good in blame shifting and sucking excuses out of his fingers as he is making great renders.
While our nation has problems, mainly due to a politicians and media bubble more intent on warming and keeping their seats than making better policies, most of what Ocean tells about Germany is overblown, edge cases and sometimes plainly wrong.

Take the age rating debacle: Some weeks ago an indie developer (1 person, maybe 2 persons at most) coughed up the money for getting his game USK-rated. He had no problems getting a 16+ rating despite a part of the game is a stripclub, with strippers doing strippy things there. With the USK 16 rating in his pocket, he went to several gaming portals and got EAed without fuss, since an USK rating carries weight in these dark days for AVNs.

Now look at Ocean, who failed in getting a Steam PG16 for a completely sanitised, boring and sterile SG, when our afternoon soaps have racier content. Had Ocean secured an USK 16 (even 18 would have been unproblematic) rating, which even the earlier SG and WIAB would have had no problems getting, before going to Steam, he would have avoided the debacle that followed! (besides SG and WIAB would have been buyable on German Steam)
As said, official USK ratings carry weight. Steam would have simply put it on the site, maybe some minor corrections, e.g. what preview pics can be shown, but it would have been easy to get the games approved. With a proper USK rating Steam is and feels on the secure side, because if there is trouble they can point to the USK rating.