Dee6902

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Well Mav and a few others here including myself prefer WiaB over SG. We recognize that SG brings in more money, so when you bring up completely dropping WiaB in favor of SG...
I see, I haven't played WiAB yet probably wont until CH 4. But just the case of it losing Patreon it makes the most sense to just ice it for one project for the betterment of both but I doubt that will happen
 
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BobTheDuck

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I see, I haven't played WiAB yet probably wont until CH 4. But just the case of it losing Patreon it makes the most sense to just ice it for one project for the betterment of both but I doubt that will happen
Now you are baiting. There are years of this kind of comment.

- The normal way to write a series is to start from the first story, toing a prequel after almost always leads to a boring story with little surprise.
- Writing SG without WiaB would mean Ocean might put himself in a corner where WiaB becomes inconsistent, because SG is after ie writing too much about Katie in SG without developing WiaB gives away WIab's story, but also ties Ocean's hands to a certain canon ending. Right now he can make sure that SG doesn't cause conflicts with WiaB.
- Losing a patreon wasn't a popularity contest. SOme devs are working to close their patreons to focus on their games without the patreon bullshit.
- Despite SG being more popular, Ocean would lose support from a decent chunk of his supporters who wouldn't trust him if he abandoned WiaB. I'm not sure he's want to risk that loss.
- Ocean prefers going between two stories so he doesn't get bored of the game, consider it a change of scenery.
- If you haven't played WiaB, you're not talking about the game dvelopment (I see them as one meta narrative) - you just want your waifu scenes. I get it. Play WiaB when Ch4 drops and then see what you think. I'm pretty Okay with the leapfrog.

Once Ocean gets past the too large/over ambitious updates for both games and gets back to normal size updates, we'll see how his all looks going forward. The thing isn't if Ocean has two games or not, the thing is the number of quality updates Ocean can put out in a reasonable time. If he can put out a 7000 render update in 18 months, he can put out a 2333 render update every 6 months.

Let's see how he goes once this constipated update is out and allows regular movements.
 

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Now you are baiting. There are years of this kind of comment.

- The normal way to write a series is to start from the first story, toing a prequel after almost always leads to a boring story with little surprise.
- Writing SG without WiaB would mean Ocean might put himself in a corner where WiaB becomes inconsistent, because SG is after ie writing too much about Katie in SG without developing WiaB gives away WIab's story, but also ties Ocean's hands to a certain canon ending. Right now he can make sure that SG doesn't cause conflicts with WiaB.
- Losing a patreon wasn't a popularity contest. SOme devs are working to close their patreons to focus on their games without the patreon bullshit.
- Despite SG being more popular, Ocean would lose support from a decent chunk of his supporters who wouldn't trust him if he abandoned WiaB. I'm not sure he's want to risk that loss.
- Ocean prefers going between two stories so he doesn't get bored of the game, consider it a change of scenery.
- If you haven't played WiaB, you're not talking about the game dvelopment (I see them as one meta narrative) - you just want your waifu scenes. I get it. Play WiaB when Ch4 drops and then see what you think. I'm pretty Okay with the leapfrog.

Once Ocean gets past the too large/over ambitious updates for both games and gets back to normal size updates, we'll see how his all looks going forward. The thing isn't if Ocean has two games or not, the thing is the number of quality updates Ocean can put out in a reasonable time. If he can put out a 7000 render update in 18 months, he can put out a 2333 render update every 6 months.

Let's see how he goes once this constipated update is out and allows regular movements.
Still wasn't trying to bait lol, again im new to all this stuff. but I definitely see your points about burn out from one game, i got a little short sighted with the whole two games thing. I assume i'm going to enjoy WiAB as well and im looking forward to playing it. I hope we can get sooner updates for both games after the oversized ones as SG was one of the better experiences ive had with VNs. I just hope Ocean can simplify it a bit for both games to thrive and not keep either one waiting as long. I appreciate the response.
 

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If he hangs up WiaB, SG won't be finished due to burnout. If he hangs up SG, WiaB won't be finished due to funding.
There is no point in talking about burnout, it is a myth designed for idiots. Think logically, if a person makes a game and burns out from it, then making 2 games at the same time he will burn out 2 times faster. And in the comments they use developing 2 games at the same time as protection against burnout, this is complete nonsense.
 
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Trying to drive the Mods crazy :ROFLMAO:.
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Simply trying to prove a fucking point. If people are so butthurt by "trolls" and "haters" they can easily ignore, to the point of bringing down heavy moderation on this thread and sap all the fun out of it, I too can play that game. Do you see the latest PaxHadrian post? I wonder where it went :unsure:

I don't ignore people or report innocuous posts (or fucking barely any at all) because I despise censorship and don't want the mod team hovering the threads I frequent. But if someone else insists on sanitizing this space then fuck it. I'll join in on the shitshow.

I love Summer's Gone! Good game! Zara is :poop:. Pls no delete/edit, mods!
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- Writing SG without WiaB would mean Ocean might put himself in a corner where WiaB becomes inconsistent, because SG is after ie writing too much about Katie in SG without developing WiaB gives away WIab's story, but also ties Ocean's hands to a certain canon ending. Right now he can make sure that SG doesn't cause conflicts with WiaB.
On the contrary, SG and Wiab will be connected by only one universe, and that's where their similarities end. They can't be combined, because then it won't be a game, but a novella. And if you make a game, you'll have to calculate all the options for players to choose from, which is just a gigantic job that Ocean can't do.

- The normal way to write a series is to start from the first story, toing a prequel after almost always leads to a boring story with little surprise.
That's right, Wiab is that boring prequel you're talking about. It was boring from the start, because of that Ocean abandoned it and started doing everything over again. But the new Wiab is not far from the old one, it remains just as boring. I still wonder why Ocean is messing around with this failed game, because it won't get better and won't be able to achieve success like SG.

If he can put out a 7000 render update in 18 months, he can put out a 2333 render update every 6 months.
You are counting incorrectly, every 4 months. About 2 months will be spent on creating renders if Ocean works at a normal pace, and the rest of the time on programming, this is more than enough. But if you turn on the milking mode, then you can do it in 8 months.
 
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On the contrary, SG and Wiab will be connected by only one universe, and that's where their similarities end. They can't be combined, because then it won't be a game, but a novella. And if you make a game, you'll have to calculate all the options for players to choose from, which is just a gigantic job that Ocean can't do.
I'm not talking about combining them. But the story of SG is contingent on some events from WiaB - if Ocean writes those events into SG and THEN goes and completes WiaB, his hands are tied. Characters in SG have spoken about the way events turned out. I see it as one meta story just like there are series of games that each have their own ending, but feed the start of the next. It's not a linear continuation, because of a different MC, but it's the same principle. This is why it is easier to do the first story in time, then the second later. But that hasn't happened, even though WiaB is the first game, and the one Ocean started first. Now he hes to play leapfrog between the two, development wise.

That's right, Wiab is that boring prequel you're talking about. It was boring from the start, because of that Ocean abandoned it and started doing everything over again. But the new Wiab is not far from the old one, it remains just as boring. I still wonder why Ocean is messing around with this failed game, because it won't get better and won't be able to achieve success like SG.
It's not boring to me. You might find it boring, but this isn't a fact, just your opinion.

You are counting incorrectly, every 4 months. About 2 months will be spent on creating renders if Ocean works at a normal pace, and the rest of the time on programming, this is more than enough. But if you turn on the milking mode, then you can do it in 8 months.
I'm well aware that Ocean could do it faster, but I'm basing my idea on the current rate of progress for WiaB and SG, not a theoretical maximum if he only eats soup for 15 minutes a day, goes to the gym for 45min, and sleeps for 6 hours 15 min. Talking about what is possible vs extrapolating on how he's doing now is ver different. If he moves at this pace he is now, there's no reason that we couldn't get two updates a year for each game. But, I won't hold my breath, I'll wait to see how the next updates are to play.
 

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I'm not talking about combining them. But the story of SG is contingent on some events from WiaB
I can't understand what you're talking about, your words contradict each other. If there is no unification, then nothing depends on Wiab, at most some events can be mentioned in SG, as an example of a common game universe. But if SG depends on events from Wiab that the player controls, then these 2 games are connected.
It's not boring to me. You might find it boring, but this isn't a fact, just your opinion.
I actually didn't express my opinion on the game, but took the overall rating from Patrion before Wiab was kicked out. It had a rating there like a half-abandoned game. Which is not far from the truth. If you're asking my opinion on Wiab, I wasn't interested in it, I remained indifferent. I occasionally follow the game because of the connection with SG. Although to be honest, the last scene when they went to the bar seemed very boring to me. There was a lot of senseless chatter that I had to fast-forward.

I'm well aware that Ocean could do it faster, but I'm basing my idea on the current rate of progress for WiaB and SG, not a theoretical maximum if he only eats soup for 15 minutes a day, goes to the gym for 45min, and sleeps for 6 hours 15 min. Talking about what is possible vs extrapolating on how he's doing now is ver different. If he moves at this pace he is now, there's no reason that we couldn't get two updates a year for each game. But, I won't hold my breath, I'll wait to see how the next updates are to play.
I took the usual comfortable speed of Ocean's work. If I took the maximum speed of work, the number would have increased by 2-2.5 times.
 

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I can't understand what you're talking about, your words contradict each other. If there is no unification, then nothing depends on Wiab, at most some events can be mentioned in SG, as an example of a common game universe. But if SG depends on events from Wiab that the player controls, then these 2 games are connected.

I actually didn't express my opinion on the game, but took the overall rating from Patrion before Wiab was kicked out. It had a rating there like a half-abandoned game. Which is not far from the truth. If you're asking my opinion on Wiab, I wasn't interested in it, I remained indifferent. I occasionally follow the game because of the connection with SG. Although to be honest, the last scene when they went to the bar seemed very boring to me. There was a lot of senseless chatter that I had to fast-forward.


I took the usual comfortable speed of Ocean's work. If I took the maximum speed of work, the number would have increased by 2-2.5 times.
I think at some point somethings gonna break between the two games and the development speed. I think you can get away with doing two games just not at this pace even if they were ambitious updates it's inevitably hard on Ocean and the community as a whole. Hopefully something changes for the betterment of the games, dev, and us.
 
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