Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.5258] [Kompas Productions]

[j4yj4m]

sucks there wasn't a project manager/lead who knows what he's doing there to tell him that

Checking content related details wouldn't have been a project manager's job anyway. A team of effectively 3-4 people (everbody but DC working part time) developing a renpy porn game really doesn't need a project manager, you may aswell just hire a competent coder - who knows what he's doing - instead. That's what people should be complaining about in hindsight. Back then, the updates were primarily limited by DC's abilitly to produce art, so it didn't really matter that much. Then again, Dogeek left right after the Eve update, so I guess they caught on after these 3 updates that he wasn't able to handle the new project properly, which then lead to him complaing about stress, etc.

Edit: Just to add, I'm not saying DC shouldn't have hired somebody to pre-plan the tech update and to help to clean the mess up. He certainly should have done that. But that's a different question to what happened before.

 

[alex andrews]

I can’t find the third book needed for french class homework, it says it is in dexter”s locker but it is not?? I talk to dextor at afternoon then go to his locker its still not there, any help?

 

[Lucky Guerrilla]

Checking content related details wouldn't have been a project manager's job anyway. A team of effectively 3-4 people (everbody but DC working part time) developing a renpy porn game really doesn't need a project manager, you may aswell just hire a competent coder - who knows what he's doing - instead. That's what people should be complaining about in hindsight. Back then, the updates were primarily limited by DC's abilitly to produce art, so it didn't really matter that much. Then again, Dogeek left right after the Eve update, so I guess they caught on after these 3 updates that he wasn't able to handle the new project properly, which then lead to him complaing about stress, etc.

Edit: Just to add, I'm not saying DC shouldn't have hired somebody to pre-plan the tech update and to help to clean the mess up. He certainly should have done that. But that's a different question to what happened before.

You don't necessarily need someone who's job is project manager but you always need someone who's job is to project manage. And this is what happens when that doesn't happen.

 

[PayneToTheMax]

You don't necessity need someone who's job is project manager but you always need someone who's job is to project manage. And this is what happens when that doesn't happen.

Would that really do much when the coders themselves don't work full-time on it?
That's the bigger issue, DC doesn't have anyone coding full-time.

 

[Angora Kitty]

Hmmm... Sooo... What Happen? Aboned? 0_0

Take a look into the stream. It dont looks as like abandoned there.

You must be registered to see the links

 

[Count Morado]

Hmmm... Sooo... What Happen? Aboned? 0_0

Yup. But only for you.

heroe link

For what? You can download the current version here for free. Or you can download it directly from the developer's website for free.

 

[Joe33333]

why 2d games in general take much longer in updates than 3d games shouldn't be the opposite ?

 

[Badjourasmix]

why 2d games in general take much longer in updates than 3d games shouldn't be the opposite ?

Because with 2d games every single thing from the most simple in game item to an animated sex scene has to be hand drawn

 

[EroPulse]

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don't know when but its progressing, slowly but surely.

as of today
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In almost two months, it's gone up by 1%... granted, there was also 1 additional task. I'd say we won't see this game for at least another year.

 

[ffive]

developing a renpy porn game really doesn't need a project manager, you may aswell just hire a competent coder - who knows what he's doing - instead.

Competent programmers who know what they're doing are a much, much harder find than project managers, though. Especially for a work on a porn game.

 

[j4yj4m]

Competent programmers who know what they're doing are a much, much harder find than project managers, though.

What would your average project manger do in this case? Monitor the schedule and dealines, which do not exist, because DC wants it that way? Report to superiors? Manage the money? Develope ideas? Define the scope of an update?

There's very little to manage that isn't either clearly DC's or any of the other dev's job. Unless people want to suggest that DC should litereally hand over the management of the whole game and become some kind of employee of someone he himself employs... that's not going to happen.

This game became the way it is, because DC often adds stuff he likes or that comes up while he's streaming. Why should he pay someone to stop him doing that, just so there's a higher chance the update's on time?

It's really not about management in this case, but about the fact that there was a lack of proper coding expertise and - when it comes to the tech-update - there seems to be huge shortage in menpower, which is something that should be criticized. But that has been clear for way over a year and you really don't need a manager to figure that one out.

 

[ffive]

What would your average project manger do in this case?

Make up for the shortcomings of your incompetent programmer, the reason you're hiring them in the first place? Something DC is evidently incapable of doing.

 

[j4yj4m]

Make up for the shortcomings of your incompetent programmer, the reason you're hiring them in the first place? Something DC is evidently incapable of doing.

As soon as you go into specifics, you'll need somebody who is competent in coding and project management. That's clearly not your average project manager. As said, you may aswell hire a second/better coder in this case...

 

[Badjourasmix]

Even though I can see and somewhat understand why things are taking so long, almost a year without an update is kind of wild.

 

[j4yj4m]

Even though I can see and somewhat understand why things are taking so long, almost a year without an update is kind of wild.

If that's a good thing or not will likely depend on what DC is working behind the scenes right now. They could have continued releasing scenes, but by now it's probably better to create content that's benefitting future updates. Sadly we'll only be able to judge once the tech update and the following one(s) have been released.

It's quite interesting that his patreon numbers are holding up this well. I would have expected a way bigger drop. Sure, he "lost" a lot of money, but it could be way worse from his point of view.

 

[Badjourasmix]

If that's a good thing or not will likely depend on what DC is working behind the scenes right now. They could have continued releasing scenes, but by now it's probably better to create content that's benefitting future updates. Sadly we'll only be able to judge once the tech update and the following one(s) have been released.

It's quite interesting that his patreon numbers are holding up this well. I would have expected a way bigger drop. Sure, he "lost" a lot of money, but it could be way worse from his point of view.

The sad thing is that the tech update will most likely not be finished this year. It feels like the progress has been stuck at 82% for months now.

 

[j4yj4m]

The sad thing is that the tech update will most likely not be finished this year. It feels like the progress has been stuck at 82% for months now.

Yeah, though not all tasks have the same size. There's a huge difference if one task is to repose/recode Jenny's story vs. let's say the main story part 3. Yet all of them are the same on the task bar.

Still, there's little excuse for it to take this long in the first place.

 

[arigatogyro]

Sadly we'll only be able to judge once the tech update and the following one(s) have been released.

IF they are released

 

[j4yj4m]

IF they are released

I've got little doubt about that, to be honest. DC may take his time, but he genuinely seems to like the streaming and stuff and I can't imagine him just giving up on that without a very good personal reason. It's really not Milfy City situation, where nobody knows if any work has been done at all. There are literally 600+ hours (probably something close to 800) of stream content, that have been created but haven't been released.

 

[atomicp]

Legit question: Do his streams correlate to coding or drawing?