That's cool and all, but step shit is still against the rules and if the mom/sister/aunt are related scenes between them are still incest. It'll even affect Erics whole story. A large portion of this games direction is changing and not discussing possibilities in a thread about the games direction/updates is ridiculous.
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- Jul 10, 2017
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According to California Law "stepshit" as you call it isn't actually illegal just so you are aware. A few pages ago I list what constituted incest as defined by California laws, if you are wondering why I used California laws specifically because its based there and for all intents and purposes in some states you can fuck your family members as long as you don't make babies because reasons.... fuck if I know America has some weird laws on a state by state basis.
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has repealed its criminal incest statute,
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and only criminalizes incestuous marriage.
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"targets only parental figures",
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does not apply any penalties when both parties are 18 years of age or olderEdit/ PS: Some states do have step relatives as being illegal while others do not if this is what you are implying then if I'm not mistaken California is one of the states that does not imply that as being illegal if it did then a lot of the weirdos in hollywood would be in prison.
I was only referring to Patreons rules, not laws and statutes. They see step-shit (not really using that pejoratively by the way, just a sort of nickname I guess) for what it is: a dumb smoke screen for incest. I don't know whether their stance comes from legalities, morals, or even just something like chargebacks but adding the "step-" designation doesn't cut it.
Banning a project because some random person creates a mod for it? That would be pretty ridiculous. It would open the doors for any person who doesn't like a certain game on patreon to have it removed by just publishing a mod for it.
- Jul 10, 2017
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If I had to take a guess if that is the case its more to protect their asses from potential problems / fallout what could arise from someone taking things a bit to close to the line of what constitutes unlawful. If nothing else it would be a way to be cautious and avoid having to defend a position of why they are defending / hosting almost/near incestuous content. Nothing would ruin a company faster then having headlines about how their website is used to host illegal activities so I could fully see that they would have to try to stay a safe distance away from anything incest related
I haven't had a chance to fully read the Patreon ToS in regards to what can and can't be in your content so I can not confirm or deny if Step relatives fall under this branch and I would assume if they do fall under it then it might be a case by case basis in which moderation of content is enacted. So the speculation above is just more in regards to your statement then any concrete understanding of the rules Patreon has provided.
- Sep 2, 2017
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I just wonder why won't people consider using an alternative funding website? There are alternatives and Patreon does seem to be unwilling to support people with a harmless hobby/interests. I'd bet that DarkCookie has enough fans and followers that most people will be willing to follow him to a different crowdfunding site (Me included.).
I mean the whole "patching it out" thing simply feels like bending the knee for people who don't want you there.
I mean the whole "patching it out" thing simply feels like bending the knee for people who don't want you there.
- Dec 22, 2016
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There is no viable alternative. They all either:
- Use paypal/stripe/other processor which doesn't allow adult content, or heavily restrict it (eg makersupport)
- Already half offline due to abandonment from payment processors (eg hatreon)
- Completely untested/unproved and setup by someone random, and could easily be a scam or could go offline tomorrow (eg adultpledge)
The only place we disagree in your first part is your assumption on why they banned incest in the first place, and since your argument hinges on that, it kinda falls flat man. We don't know the specifics of why they won't allow incest so most of your point is moot. The only things we do know is they don't allow it, this games story foundation has a good chunk of it, and step-shit is a smoke screen that doesn't work. The changes are going to happen. That much is undeniable. His page just needs to come back up so he can assess the damage and answer what his plans are. I don't want to add onto the problem by charging back but I also don't want to put another cent into this project that has lost my interest for now.
- Sep 2, 2017
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I'd say that DC has a possibility of maybe going over to paypal donations with all updates and community communication that patreon usually has. Maybe certain subscription systems could be implemented into his website as well (Although I do understand this would require quite a bit of work to implement and would cause a lot of issues and security concerns that he'd need to deal with, but a simple paypal link .).
I think there is a site called "Podia" which could also be considered a Patreon alternative and seems to be legit as far as I've heard (Simple sign up for followers). Not fully certain about its adult content policies though (There seem to be none as far as I know.).
This is coming from a position of comfort, as I'm not the one who needs to make these decisions and my livelyhood isn't exactly tied to DC's success, and I can completely understand that sometimes bending your knee to stay in your comfort zone is the easiest solution, but I personally despise patreon for what sort of shit they're doing, and I really would like to see creators just stand up and leave that platform, providing the traffic and income to a website that'd deserve the attention.
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Would it be paying money for adult content if it's never specified as such and the donation goes to him to "draw and programm"?
Doesn't that smell a bit fishy?
- Apr 16, 2017
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No. Just as an example, porn stars in CA were pissed about condoms being put into it when there were other regulations. Also, porn is female dominated. But in regards to porn laws, CA isn't really big on that in regards to games.
The answer's been given that it has more to do with Paypal and Patreon being a monopoly, but you know how much people bitch if you try to give a more complete answer so I'll leave it at that.
- Apr 16, 2017
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Yeah I heard the Paypal angle as well. Others are saying Patreon is trying to clean up it's image so it can go public. *Shrug* I was just sharing the latest rumor passing my ears hoping someone less lazy than me could validate it. =)
I'm too busy working on my own stuff to follow down so many leads.
End of the day, it really just boils down to people criticizing other people's tastes, which sucks to the nth degree. But at the end of the day, I have a dozen movie quotes that offer hope...."You can't stop the signal...", "nature finds a way", "....I just need to find a place where perverts are welcome..." :extremelyhappy:
And how they can prove that DC was behind of those patches? DC could say "i fired that employee, he is not my business anymore". And? How could patreon blame DC for unofficial patches being made by one ex-employee.