Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.5003] [Kompas Productions]

[ImTransAndTiny]

The trouble with making these sorts of definitive statements about SRS is that surgical techniques are getting better all the time and what was true of the techniques of 30 years ago is no longer true of the techniques of today. Many trans women getting modern SRS are able to achieve orgasm and report that it feels completely different (and much better) than the orgasms they could achieve with their penis before, but it is true that some are not able to achieve orgasm anymore. But it's also true that some trans women lose the ability to orgasm with HRT alone. It's just one of the risks of medical transition in general. (I don't really know as much about the male side of SRS, but I do know that penis transplants will probably be a regular thing within 10 years. The science is advancing rapidly on that front, moreso than attempts to give trans women womb transplants.)

This is just anecdotal evidence but of the trans women that I know, most of them aren't pursuing SRS, but the reasons the majority give are because of cost, or because the waiting list is 10+ years long. There are a few who are comfortable with their penises and don't want to get rid of them. I don't know any who don't want it because they're afraid they won't be able to achieve orgasm anymore. If a sugar daddy offered to pay for their bottom surgery many would jump at the chance. And we have literally nothing to spend all this money we got at the end of the main quest on.


(Besides, this is a magical fantasy land where pregnancy only lasts like 3 weeks and the babies are sent off to a free daycare where you don't have to worry about actually taking care of or even having to pay for them. Ignoring the messy realities of medical transition to present a more attractive fantasy is completely reasonable in this context.)

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Anyway, as you say, it wouldn't make sense for Eve to get bottom surgery in the game. You had said that you were asking a serious question, so I felt that you deserved a serious answer. I didn't realize that you knew this much about the subject already.

Cheers!

 

[Omnikuken]

From "who's the better milker : DC or ICstor ?" empty debate to "should a fake girl in a pron game have to pay to get a bolt-on dick ?" empty debate, truely this place is the best on F95

 

[xgtxx]

I decided to make a few signatures but got carried away as one turned into two... two turned into four...and so on. but anyway here they are if anyone wants to use them. 425h x 125w should be a good size for two.

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I need to stop going on autopilot when I work...

 

[PELLZY]

how to get the sisters laptop password

 

[DarkDaemonX]

how to get the sisters laptop password

Wait until she writes about "bad monster" in her diary, as that is the password (no space between the words though).

 

[MurkyTurtle]

There are 2 main objectives:
One which is about finding out what happened to MC's dad, which is called the main story and which is indeed finished.
One which is about dating girls and finding a prom date, which isn't.

The tech update is mainly about changing the game ratio from 4:3 to 16:9.

I think they're doing a lot more than just a 4:3 to 16:9 conversion. The backgrounds have been done for ages and even a full game re-pose shouldn't have taken this long, so I'm guessing they're also bringing everyone's art up to the newest style and re-doing a lot of legacy code. If we're lucky a good chunk of this might be in prep for the eventual dating system, which is going to have to be woven into the middle of a dozen different storylines and would otherwise break God-knows-what in the process.

 

[sayteen]

I don't like WEG

 

[sogetthis]

I think they're doing a lot more than just a 4:3 to 16:9 conversion. The backgrounds have been done for ages and even a full game re-pose shouldn't have taken this long, so I'm guessing they're also bringing everyone's art up to the newest style and re-doing a lot of legacy code. If we're lucky a good chunk of this might be in prep for the eventual dating system, which is going to have to be woven into the middle of a dozen different storylines and would otherwise break God-knows-what in the process.

Optimist detected

 

[j4yj4m]

I think they're doing a lot more than just a 4:3 to 16:9 conversion. The backgrounds have been done for ages and even a full game re-pose shouldn't have taken this long, so I'm guessing they're also bringing everyone's art up to the newest style and re-doing a lot of legacy code.

As much as I would like it to be true, the posing does indeed seem to be an issue, which is why they hired more people some time ago. Of course we'll see many improvements to the code etc. but I doubt we'll get as much new art besides what they promised, apart from maybe a little bit extra here and there. I mean, I don't really see a reason why DC would keep the rework of legacy art a secret.

My hope would be that Sploosh/DC already got at least a bit of Ronda content done, so she'll get her update a bit faster...

 

[ashaik]

As much as I would like it to be true, the posing does indeed seem to be an issue, which is why they hired more people some time ago. Of course we'll see many improvements to the code etc. but I doubt we'll get as much new art besides what they promised, apart from maybe a little bit extra here and there. I mean, I don't really see a reason why DC would keep the rework of legacy art a secret.

My hope would be that Sploosh/DC already got at least a bit of Ronda content done, so she'll get her update a bit faster...

yea they already started drawing rhonda's locations and extra characters on his stream

 

[MurkyTurtle]

As much as I would like it to be true, the posing does indeed seem to be an issue, which is why they hired more people some time ago. Of course we'll see many improvements to the code etc. but I doubt we'll get as much new art besides what they promised, apart from maybe a little bit extra here and there. I mean, I don't really see a reason why DC would keep the rework of legacy art a secret.

He hasn't really kept it a secret, though? He's been reworking characters for ages on streams and he probably had enough of them on the rig system already that it wouldn't take much extra effort to do a full conversion for their basic poses. The sex scenes and animations aren't going to be updated, sure, but if you're re-posing the entirety of someone like Tammy or Erik it doesn't make sense to reuse old full character poses when the rig models are sitting right there, take up less space, and you're gonna have to do it eventually anyways.

Heck, it's probably why the posing is taking so damned long. Old poses could easily be offset by X pixels to fit the widescreen frame, but brand-new rigged ones would all need to be done manually. I can't think of any other reason why it would be such a major issue otherwise.

 

[j4yj4m]

He hasn't really kept it a secret, though? He's been reworking characters for ages on streams and he probably had enough of them on the rig system already that it wouldn't take much extra effort to do a full conversion for their basic poses.

Sure, but drawing these basic poses for characters (including characters holding items, etc.) is usually his "bread-and-butter" stream content and given that we haven't seen any of that in these last months, I just kinda doubt it's going to happen.

The sex scenes and animations aren't going to be updated, sure, but if you're re-posing the entirety of someone like Tammy or Erik it doesn't make sense to reuse old full character poses when the rig models are sitting right there, take up less space, and you're gonna have to do it eventually anyways.

In this case they'll simply have to choose between two evils. The old content of Debbie, Erik, Mia, etc. is supposed to be changed (significantly) in the future anyway, so they'll have to touch it again once the updates are due. What ever they do now will be temporary until all of the reworks are done. Given what I've seen in the past I'm not sure they'd want to make the effort now, just to redo large parts of it once these characters win their polls.

 

[srksrk 68]

He hasn't really kept it a secret, though? He's been reworking characters for ages on streams and he probably had enough of them on the rig system already that it wouldn't take much extra effort to do a full conversion for their basic poses. The sex scenes and animations aren't going to be updated, sure, but if you're re-posing the entirety of someone like Tammy or Erik it doesn't make sense to reuse old full character poses when the rig models are sitting right there, take up less space, and you're gonna have to do it eventually anyways.

Heck, it's probably why the posing is taking so damned long. Old poses could easily be offset by X pixels to fit the widescreen frame, but brand-new rigged ones would all need to be done manually. I can't think of any other reason why it would be such a major issue otherwise.

Have you ever coded a Ren'Py game? It's not only having the art in place. Layered images make things easier once in place, but the emphasis lies heavily on "once in place" here.

 

[MurkyTurtle]

Have you ever coded a Ren'Py game? It's not only having the art in place. Layered images make things easier once in place, but the emphasis lies heavily on "once in place" here.

I haven't, but I'm guessing it works something like "Images A, B, and C @ Positions Q, R, and S"? So character body, head, mouth flaps, etc. are placed appropriately on top one another and then faded or reappeared at certain timings based on the scene. Shouldn't implementing the new posing of scenes that have been done once already be as simple as "Images A, B, and C @ Positions Q+X, R+X, and S+X", where X is however many horizontal pixels needed to reposition the layered images in the new widescreen background? The relative positions of the individual components of the layered images to one another should be unchanged, as should be the animation timings.

My apologies if it's more complex than that, but I'd imagine it'd be a horribly unwieldy system to implement if you couldn't effectively reuse or manipulate an existing layered image without too much effort.

 

[Omnikuken]

I haven't, but I'm guessing it works something like "Images A, B, and C @ Positions Q, R, and S"? So character body, head, mouth flaps, etc. are placed appropriately on top one another and then faded or reappeared at certain timings based on the scene. Shouldn't implementing the new posing of scenes that have been done once already be as simple as "Images A, B, and C @ Positions Q+X, R+X, and S+X", where X is however many horizontal pixels needed to reposition the layered images in the new widescreen background? The relative positions of the individual components of the layered images to one another should be unchanged, as should be the animation timings.

My apologies if it's more complex than that, but I'd imagine it'd be a horribly unwieldy system to implement if you couldn't effectively reuse or manipulate an existing layered image without too much effort.

Gotta wonder why they needed 2 new posers and the code hasn't moved in 5 months if it was easy to do ....... Either of 3 options :

#1 - Renpy is hot garbage and is a coding nightmare
#2 - Poser(s) and coder are hot garbage and need to re-plan their lives
#3 - A mix of everything and some other unknown factors (like DC himself being hot garbage and a pro-milker)

So much choices, so little info

 

[j4yj4m]

It looks like DC adjusts/renames quite a few of the assets while he checks them and corrects whatever isn't to his liking/standard. That's likely why simple copy and paste jobs aren't possible for the most part. Today's stream was actually a pretty decent example of that... for those who want to rewatch it.

In case anybody cares: At some point we'll probably get a witch in her late 20s or so (wearing a black dress with silver hair, at least if stray gets his will) in the new forest location and possibly a (were)wolf-girl that - I guess - would be somehow connected to her.

 

[srksrk 68]

I haven't, but I'm guessing it works something like "Images A, B, and C @ Positions Q, R, and S"? So character body, head, mouth flaps, etc. are placed appropriately on top one another and then faded or reappeared at certain timings based on the scene. Shouldn't implementing the new posing of scenes that have been done once already be as simple as "Images A, B, and C @ Positions Q+X, R+X, and S+X", where X is however many horizontal pixels needed to reposition the layered images in the new widescreen background? The relative positions of the individual components of the layered images to one another should be unchanged, as should be the animation timings.

My apologies if it's more complex than that, but I'd imagine it'd be a horribly unwieldy system to implement if you couldn't effectively reuse or manipulate an existing layered image without too much effort.

As I said, it's quite easy to *use* a layered image in a dialog or scene, once the layered image has been correctly defined. The difficulty is to define the image so that it can be used. If not done properly, you end up with a girl having no face or no arms in the best case, or a Ren'Py exception in the worst, depending on what she is to wear, what time it is, or if she is pregnant or not.
To make it worse, the layered image has a context, i.e. it depends on what other image has been shown in the same scene before. A very simple example would be (something like that really is in the game):

show diane b_magic f_happy a_hips

which would show Diane, being happy, with her arms on her hips. But that is supposed to work regardless of what she wears (naked, cow outfit, overall, dress...), if she sits or stands, if she is pregnant or not, or even if she is covered in some body fluids or not, not to mention if she is currently being silent or talking. To make it work, it has to be put some effort in *defining* that image in the first place, after all the assets are being drawn by DC. Therefore, the naming of her body "b_magic" is not an exaggeration at all

It looks like DC adjusts/renames quite a few of the assets while he checks them and corrects whatever isn't to his liking/standard. That's likely why simple copy and paste jobs aren't possible for the most part. Today's stream was actually a pretty decent example of that... for those who want to rewatch it.

In case anybody cares: At some point we'll probably get a witch in her late 20s or so (wearing a black dress with silver hair, at least if stray gets his will) in the new forest location and possibly a (were)wolf-girl that - I guess - would be somehow connected to her.

I hope you are refering to old assets (before introduction of the layered images). If he now starts to rename everything after the Jenny update, that would be the end of it...

 

[Omnikuken]

As I said, it's quite easy to *use* a layered image in a dialog or scene, once the layered image has been correctly defined. The difficulty is to define the image so that it can be used. If not done properly, you end up with a girl having no face or no arms in the best case, or a Ren'Py exception in the worst, depending on what she is to wear, what time it is, or if she is pregnant or not.
To make it worse, the layered image has a context, i.e. it depends on what other image has been shown in the same scene before. A very simple example would be (something like that really is in the game):

show diane b_magic f_happy a_hips

which would show Diane, being happy, with her arms on her hips. But that is supposed to work regardless of what she wears (naked, cow outfit, overall, dress...), if she sits or stands, if she is pregnant or not, or even if she is covered in some body fluids or not, not to mention if she is currently being silent or talking. To make it work, it has to be put some effort in *defining* that image in the first place, after all the assets are being drawn by DC. Therefore, the naming of her body "b_magic" is not an exaggeration at all

I hope you are refering to old assets (before introduction of the layered images). If he now starts to rename everything after the Jenny update, that would be the end of it...

After the naked stream, nothing can surprise us anymore

 

[Viressa]

In case anybody cares: At some point we'll probably get a witch in her late 20s or so (wearing a black dress with silver hair, at least if stray gets his will) in the new forest location and possibly a (were)wolf-girl that - I guess - would be somehow connected to her.

Yesssss more goth onee-samas

 

[ImTransAndTiny]

Gotta wonder why they needed 2 new posers and the code hasn't moved in 5 months if it was easy to do ....... Either of 3 options :

#1 - Renpy is hot garbage and is a coding nightmare
#2 - Poser(s) and coder are hot garbage and need to re-plan their lives
#3 - A mix of everything and some other unknown factors (like DC himself being hot garbage and a pro-milker)

So much choices, so little info

It's not #1. I've read almost every script file in this game, and I've had to read most of the Ren'Py documentation. I have, at various times in my career, developed applications in ten different programming languages and eight scripting languages. I've also modded games in QSP and Ren'Py. With good code, Ren'Py is a very capable platform, based on a language that was designed to prevent coding nightmares (Python).

The quality of the code in Summertime Saga is inconsistent. The way things are done has clearly changed several times. The newer code is much better than the older code.

I have no insight into #2 and 3.