Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.5091] [Kompas Productions]

[Godsend]

the way i see it, if an update takes 4 times as long, it should, at the very least, have 4 times more content. however, that's not really what i have seen. and by that i dont mean 4 times more "fluff", or obnoxious grinds, but true content. right now, the last few updates had good content(still not enough for the time it takes imo), but HORRENDOUS grind and pacing, with most of the scenes only delivered around the final part.

Do you have some sort of graph that has specific details on exactly how much a developer is supposed to do in any given timeframe?
Content-per-time is a completely arbitrary and impossible calculation.
If one thing takes a month to complete, then it's one month of content.
If another thing takes four months to complete, then it's four months of content.
They have a graph on their Patreon page that shows exactly how much they've gotten done for the current update.
I'm sure that telling them that their graph is wrong and giving them yours, it'll somehow make them work faster.
Their graph even shows that the writing for the current update isn't complete.
You can't make animations or gameplay for a story that isn't done yet.
So many of these games get abandoned because the developer runs out of ideas.
Who's to say this one isn't just as susceptible to that?
Maybe he's sitting in his chair thinking as hard as he can right now as to how he's going to shape this next bit of the story.
Maybe he just realized that whole scene he just finished completely contradicts an early scene so it now has to be completely scrapped.
Maybe he has come up with a much better idea and is currently working on one of the biggest updates yet.
MAYBE HE'S TAKING THIS LONG BECAUSE THAT'S HOW LONG IT TAKES.

 

[seraphimd2]

DC can only lose. He gives the game away for nothing but still makes too much money. He takes three months to deliver quality updates but that's too long. He does some surprise updates in between but they are too small. He works over older art and story again to make it better but half the people don't like it (while the other half likes the new style better). He has a unique art style but people complain he does not hire more artists. He hires a team that helps in keeping up the website, business and -- most important -- write a quality story but people only ask for save game compatibility and skip all the nice scenes. He keeps his fans informed with progress updates and online streaming but half the people complain that he'd better go back to work instead (while the other half would want more of this).

List not complete.

well,sometimes people dont know how to measure things,and the problem gets exponentially bigger when you rub something the wrong way(to some people)in the wrong time,most of the problem in the art sector is occurring 'cuz DC simply wanted to give a more 'fresh" look to the characters to make them more part of the atmosphere of the game,while giving him a easier way to work,cant really blame him from trying that,but we cant really predict the consequences this kind of action can have IN THE PUBLIC(its even more harder to predict when SS have a public so big and varied)...

Returning to the earlier comment you marked,i would still defend my idea that we shouldnt be suggar-coating DC cuz this could easily trigger the reaction of people unhappy with his work right now,making this thread flooded with angry people hell bent in having their frustations vented against any DC defenders...
The same goes to shit-slinging,badmouthing,or number countings,which can easily triggers the reaction of anyone who likes DC work and thinks its worth defending it under a heavy and flaming shitstorm,you need to understand people,he IS making profit because people want him to,its simple as that...

 

[seraphimd2]

so,returning to the endgame theories here,if any of you guys noticed,the atlas in the attic shows the coordinates for getting to Aqua's cave,anyone considered the possibility of MC's father forging his death so he could continue exploring other places?you know,like John Carter style?kinda thought on it like a joke,but now i wonder the possibility within....

 

[seraphimd2]

It will take AT LEAST 2 weeks.. and im being optimistic lol

Cassidy,sometimes i get impressed by how optimistic you are....unless you're joking and trying to make people get hyped for nothing

 

[Weinberg]

The sex scenes with jenny were very rapey, most of them will probably gone.

Those were the best scenes...

 

[Alfius]

Yeah, I use my imagination to turn off the notion of what I'm looking at is completely fake so I can immerse myself in the produced product I am using.

Let me try and explain. If I watch lord of the rings, or game of thrones etc. I suspend my believe in certain things and use my imagination to immerse myself in the world. If Someone suddenly appears with a machine gun in this world, it would completely break the immersion for me and the show would become unwatchable.

I can overlook certain plot holes, or subtle inconsistencies, but there is a line where if it becomes too much, I can not immerse myself anymore.

An example for myself would be the Movie "Independence day". The first part of the movie was so riveting, but then someone could suddenly device a virus to infect the alien's tech, as well as all nations being able to shoot down the Motherships like the US's remaining airforce (The best in the world barely being able to do it). So this was just about the line in the movie for me. So I could still watch it, but it was starting to break the imersion for me.

So you see it's all relative. With or without the patch Summertime's saga imersion in this one arc is becomming tough to overcome for me.

 

[Alfius]

What incest patch are you using? I never played with one, but the one on the first page of this thread is mentioned to work not very well. There is, however, which is reported to work well.

I will try this one thanks.

 

[Deleted member 426398]

Let me try and explain. If I watch lord of the rings, or game of thrones etc. I suspend my believe in certain things and use my imagination to immerse myself in the world. If Someone suddenly appears with a machine gun in this world, it would completely break the immersion for me and the show would become unwatchable.

I can overlook certain plot holes, or subtle inconsistencies, but there is a line where if it becomes too much, I can not immerse myself anymore.

An example for myself would be the Movie "Independence day". The first part of the movie was so riveting, but then someone could suddenly device a virus to infect the alien's tech, as well as all nations being able to shoot down the Motherships like the US's remaining airforce (The best in the world barely being able to do it). So this was just about the line in the movie for me. So I could still watch it, but it was starting to break the imersion for me.

So you see it's all relative. With or without the patch Summertime's saga imersion in this one arc is becomming tough to overcome for me.

If you can't pretend too good, that's on you big homie. It's not like the story makes much sense as it is currently written anyways.

 

[adolfhipster]

How long ago was the latest update?

 

[seraphimd2]

Let me try and explain. If I watch lord of the rings, or game of thrones etc. I suspend my believe in certain things and use my imagination to immerse myself in the world. If Someone suddenly appears with a machine gun in this world, it would completely break the immersion for me and the show would become unwatchable.

I can overlook certain plot holes, or subtle inconsistencies, but there is a line where if it becomes too much, I can not immerse myself anymore.

An example for myself would be the Movie "Independence day". The first part of the movie was so riveting, but then someone could suddenly device a virus to infect the alien's tech, as well as all nations being able to shoot down the Motherships like the US's remaining airforce (The best in the world barely being able to do it). So this was just about the line in the movie for me. So I could still watch it, but it was starting to break the imersion for me.

So you see it's all relative. With or without the patch Summertime's saga imersion in this one arc is becomming tough to overcome for me.

well,its not like we can't relate,i remember well the time DC was picked by patreon new politics,were the biggest concern most of us(players)had was how the game would continue after they needed to rework some of the incest(a core kink at time,since most of people just voted on the DDJ)out of the game...now most of this concern is brought to us by the resemblance that most of the characters related by family ties share(still remember the name people used to call SS in 4chan,SameFace Saga)....but most of us continued playing as always simply becuz we like it,as for the newcomers,most of them seem oblivious to their original relations,even with their obvious resemblances....

 

[Automata]

How long ago was the latest update?

The latest dev post on patreon was 26 days ago. The last game update was Surprise Christmas Update 17.5! three months ago.

However, this is ignoring the discord and the streams where devs talks to people fairly often (daily almost) and show new content that's being worked on.

 

[adolfhipster]

The latest dev post on patreon was 26 days ago. The last game update was Surprise Christmas Update 17.5! three months ago.

However, this is ignoring the discord and the streams where devs talks to people fairly often (daily almost) and show new content that's being worked on.

Alright I see, thanks for the reply my dude

 

[Alfius]

well,its not like we can't relate,i remember well the time DC was picked by patreon new politics,were the biggest concern most of us(players)had was how the game would continue after they needed to rework some of the incest(a core kink at time,since most of people just voted on the DDJ)out of the game...now most of this concern is brought to us by the resemblance that most of the characters related by family ties share(still remember the name people used to call SS in 4chan,SameFace Saga)....but most of us continued playing as always simply becuz we like it,as for the newcomers,most of them seem oblivious to their original relations,even with their obvious resemblances....

Agreed. Basically, my question was if DC was still keeping the initial family ties in mind while continue writing his masterpiece or if he abandoned the idea altogether. The good news to me seemed that he is still keeping the family ties in mind when writing his new content. For me as a player it is important as that is the premise of the game when I started of playing it. This will let me endure a less then perfect incest patch, as I know the intention of the Dev is still to keep the relationships intact, even if Patreon prevents him from doing so.

I just did not want to persist with the patch if the Dev decided to abandon the family ties and continue his game on the premise that there is no relation between MC, Diane, Jenny etc. That would mean that the Patch and the Dev's story would go further and further apart, with the patch making less and less sense.

I like to play with incest patches if it was the Devs intention that here be incest in the game. As this will then be central to certain plot points that will be linked to it and would not make as much sense in the normal Patreon version.

 

[j4yj4m]

The sex scenes with jenny were very rapey, most of them will probably gone.

I think it's not really about that. I personally think they want to remove the scene because the story will change and it won't be fitting anymore. After all it was part of this weird progression where you could only guess what to do next. I'm fairly certain that's not going to be the case anymore in her new story. Yes, DC said that the scene is a little rapey but later he mentioned that they'll possibly keep it in it's unreworked form as additional scene. So I'd guess it could be playable once Jenny's story is done, maybe.

 

[Arap12]

I think it's not really about that. I personally think they want to remove the scene because the story will change and it won't be fitting anymore. After all it was part of this weird progression where you could only guess what to do next. I'm fairly certain that's not going to be the case anymore in her new story. Yes, DC said that the scene is a little rapey but later he mentioned that they'll possibly keep it in it's unreworked form as additional scene. So I'd guess it could be playable once Jenny's story is done, maybe.

Yeah so rapey, a girl just happens to randomly lift their shirt while sleeping and also happen to scream how good it feels to fuck.

 

[j4yj4m]

Yeah so rapey, a girl just happens to randomly lift their shirt while sleeping and also happen to scream how good it feels to fuck.

The main problem of that scene has always been its context. The scene itself is and has always been fine in itself, but the fact MC basically jumps into her bed (at least the first few times) while she's asleep and without any hint that he may be invited, is certainly questionable. As said, I'd expect that context to be changed.

 

[Fullcrum]

The main problem of that scene has always been its context. The scene itself is and has always been fine in itself, but the fact MC basically jumps into her bed (at least the first few times) while she's asleep and without any hint that he may be invited, is certainly questionable. As said, I'd expect that context to be changed.

I do not see here, no problem. After all, MC does not force Jenny into anything.

The June situation is much more questionable when MC "steals" June from Eric telling her he is a "player".
The second very dubious situation is Helen's "programming" with the help of a nun Angelica.

Both of these scenes should be changed, if the whole is to be credible and represent MC, as a guy who gains the favor of women, mainly because he is nice and helpful. At least for me, MC is presented as someone who, by his behavior, gains the favor of women, and later uses their "gratitude." MC is not the type of alpha male who tries to get into female underpants at all costs.

 

[Miðgarðsormr]

The main problem of that scene has always been its context. The scene itself is and has always been fine in itself, but the fact MC basically jumps into her bed (at least the first few times) while she's asleep and without any hint that he may be invited, is certainly questionable. As said, I'd expect that context to be changed.

Thats because this scene was always done before the story writing of jenny was established as an update/patch. DC added this scene as others as ppl grew impatient of yet another girl they can watch but not fuck. In order to sell the game he simply added some fuck scenes.
Now her whole storyline will be added and changed to make her more believable and her storyline as well.
If you follow his streams you could already know the next update is jenny and should be finished in the next 7 to 14 days. According to DC.
If you don't follow his stream you and others have me and others keeping you updated

 

[Deleted member 640098]

How do I install the incest patch? I downloaded it but can't extract it. Whenever I try to open the file the windows app pops up and it can't find any program to open an rpa file. Any suggestions or feedback on this problem would be very helpful and appreciated.

 

[Miðgarðsormr]

How do I install the incest patch? I downloaded it but can't extract it. Whenever I try to open the file the windows app pops up and it can't find any program to open an rpa file. Any suggestions or feedback on this problem would be very helpful and appreciated.

You don't open the .rpa file. You put it in the game folder. I quote:

Download the "incestpatch.rpa" file, and move it to the "/game" directory

Quote end.

Put it there and start the game it should show the incest patch already in the main menu.