Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.5091] [Kompas Productions]

[Omnikuken]

Folks, y'all are confused. itsyeboii called it "Summerscam Saga". gam2000 said that it's not a scam because no one is forced to pay for the game, and itsyeboii was trying to explain that he wasn't talking about being forced to pay. Being forced to pay is called "mugging", which is not what he was asserting. He correctly pointed out that a scam does not necessarily require forced payment. He doesn't think that anyone is being mugged. smh

With everyone now clear that no one is talking about mugging, we can address whether or not Summertime Saga is a scam. A scam is a misrepresentation. We can infer that he believes that those who have voluntarily made payments were fooled into doing so by an expectation that progress would be faster than it has been. DC had anticipated a much shorter timeline for the release of the Tech Update. Those who made payments to support the Tech Update may be disappointed and feel scammed. That's a legitimate opinion, and no one can tell you how to feel. If you feel scammed, I'm sorry that you feel that way.

As usual, complaining about it on F95Zone is pointless. Cancel your Patreon donation and explain why you're doing it in the exit interview.

You put too much faith in people

 

[ImTransAndTiny]

You put too much faith in people

I just see this as a reading fail on the part of everyone except for itsyeboii. If you want to keep the pointless conversation going, at least respond to the correct accusation: that Summertime Saga is a scam, not a mugging.

 

[odino]

poor thing do not know using net cost you money this game is abandoned 3 year ago dev just milking airbags and he doing perfect

soon legend update will be released and its updates gona have 2x full SS content in single update

 

[ImTransAndTiny]

Also, I have the feeling that somewhere between 99 and 100% of the people who complain about the $80k per month have not actually donated any money, so they're not feeling personally scammed, but feel that a bunch of other people have been scammed. The donors probably don't feel scammed if they continue to donate... but, who cares? If they're being scammed, that's their problem, not yours.

Other people donating money is only a problem for you if:

1. You're jealous
2. You think that donations are actually slowing the pace of progress

If #1, go work on yourself. Jealousy is a fruitless state of mind. Maybe try making your own game and see if it's as easy as you think.

#2 is the theory that a hungry artist works harder than one who is well fed. When the money is coming in, there's no incentive to work hard. If the tap gets turned off, you'll have to work harder to turn it back on again.

I suspect that, at this point, DC doesn't need to care about money. Also, turning off the tap might have the opposite effect. Instead of working harder to get the donations back, he lays off the coders and posers and writers and ends development of the game forever.

At any rate, there's nothing you can do to make other people stop donating. That is the point of complaining here, right? Milkers think that everyone here is donating money, and they can convince them that they're being scammed so that they'll stop donating. Except, people come here to not pay for games. This isn't the right forum to convince people to stop donating.

Besides the impossibility of saying or doing anything to turn off the tap, there's also the fact that this is just a game and not a matter of any great importance. So, as with #1, go work on yourself and stop spamming the thread.

 

[JupitersSon]

I've not been following this game as long as many of you lot. Maybe only a few months. I thought it was silly that people would be complaining about slow progress, like let the man work, right? Go away for a month and come back and you'll see the progress going quicker. Except..... that's exactly what I did. I decided to start following the progress to see it for myself and I swear his progress bar has gone up 1% in the last month.

On the other end of the scale there's a guy who posts here

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every 1 to 2 weeks. He makes a lot of progress during these periods.

I feel like people are justified for complaining about the slow progress with development on this game.

 

[Omnikuken]

I've not been following this game as long as many of you lot. Maybe only a few months. I thought it was silly that people would be complaining about slow progress, like let the man work, right? Go away for a month and come back and you'll see the progress going quicker. Except..... that's exactly what I did. I decided to start following the progress to see it for myself and I swear his progress bar has gone up 1% in the last month.

On the other end of the scale there's a guy who posts here

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every 1 to 2 weeks. He makes a lot of progress during these periods.

I feel like people are justified for complaining about the slow progress with development on this game.

DC streams game stuff ~daily, the tracker means nothing. The other 5-6 dudes on the team work part-time and still did more stuff in the last year than what they did since the game launched 5 years ago. We can go at this for the next year and it'll be the same empty debate

 

[JupitersSon]

DC streams game stuff ~daily, the tracker means nothing. The other 5-6 dudes on the team work part-time and still did more stuff in the last year than what they did since the game launched 5 years ago. We can go at this for the next year and it'll be the same empty debate

Well doesn't this beg the question, why have the tracker in the first place if it's not being updated? I dunno, just wanted to give my thoughts on it. I really REALLY like this game and want to see more content added to it so I can't help but get more into this whole thing.

 

[Stil996]

Well doesn't this beg the question, why have the tracker in the first place if it's not being updated? I dunno, just wanted to give my thoughts on it. I really REALLY like this game and want to see more content added to it so I can't help but get more into this whole thing.

Life is full of good ideas poorly executed.

 

[itsyeboii]

It's not - "being mugged" is transferring of liquid and portable personal assets in possession from one person to another person usually under threat, or by the use, of physical force with no reciprocation of product or services in return.

Summertime Saga is currently offered by the developer at no charge. A person may decide to donate once or on a recurring basis to show their support of the developer's vision, plan, and goal but are under no obligation to do so in order to utilize the product available.

Since there is a free product offered in exchange for no amount of money - this is not a mugging.

A scam requires the transfer of valuable assets from one person in (edit: the expectation of) exchange for the receipt something of relatively equal value or consideration, but the other person never intended to honor the agreement of reciprocity.

Again, no one who decides to use Summertime Saga is being scammed because there is no requirement of transferring their valuable assets in the form of fees, duties, etc in order to do so.

Yes, I'm being pedantic because it appears that, for some, this is required.

You can get as technical with the definition of the term "mugged" as you want but it's not hard to see my point. Gam2000 implied scamming is being forced to pay for something, which it isn't at all. Definition wise "mugged" isn't either but it sure as hell is closer to correct and gets the point across.

Way too many big words in a place where the common repsonse is "huehue 80k a month for over a year of nothing". Either stoop down to their level of brainpower and adopt their speech pattern or stay higher up and just laugh at them

Look at you embracing your superiority complex in a thread about a porn game yet again. You're definitely on a higher level than these peasants. We wouldn't be anything without you being our intellectual and trusty thread janitor.

Folks, y'all are confused. itsyeboii called it "Summerscam Saga". gam2000 replied that it's not a scam because no one is forced to pay for the game. itsyeboii rejected that incorrect definition of "scam", explaining that gam2000 was describing "being mugged". Count Morado then confirmed itsyeboii's definition of "being mugged". itsyeboii used the term, not to assert that anyone is being mugged, but to reject gam2000's incorrect definition of a "scam". smh

With everyone now clear that no one is talking about mugging, we can address whether or not Summertime Saga is a scam. A scam is a misrepresentation. We can infer that he believes that those who have voluntarily made payments were fooled into doing so by an expectation that progress would be faster than it has been. DC had anticipated a much shorter timeline for the release of the Tech Update. Those who made payments to support the Tech Update may be disappointed and feel scammed. That's a legitimate opinion, and no one can tell you how to feel. If you feel scammed, I'm sorry that you feel that way.

As usual, complaining about it on F95Zone is pointless. Cancel your Patreon donation and explain why you're doing it in the exit interview.

Except I didn't call it "Summerscam Saga", another user did. I do not hold these believes nor do I want to argue with those who do.

 

[itsyeboii]

Also, I have the feeling that somewhere between 99 and 100% of the people who complain about the $80k per month have not actually donated any money, so they're not feeling personally scammed, but feel that a bunch of other people have been scammed. The donors probably don't feel scammed if they continue to donate... but, who cares? If they're being scammed, that's their problem, not yours.

Other people donating money is only a problem for you if:

1. You're jealous
2. You think that donations are actually slowing the pace of progress

If #1, go work on yourself. Jealousy is a fruitless state of mind. Maybe try making your own game and see if it's as easy as you think.

#2 is the theory that a hungry artist works harder than one who is well fed. When the money is coming in, there's no incentive to work hard. If the tap gets turned off, you'll have to work harder to turn it back on again.

I suspect that, at this point, DC doesn't need to care about money. Also, turning off the tap might have the opposite effect. Instead of working harder to get the donations back, he lays off the coders and posers and writers and ends development of the game forever.

At any rate, there's nothing you can do to make other people stop donating. That is the point of complaining here, right? Milkers think that everyone here is donating money, and they can convince them that they're being scammed so that they'll stop donating. Except, people come here to not pay for games. This isn't the right forum to convince people to stop donating.

Besides the impossibility of saying or doing anything to turn off the tap, there's also the fact that this is just a game and not a matter of any great importance. So, as with #1, go work on yourself and stop spamming the thread.

I used to be part of #2, I didn't spam the thread or say anything at all really, but I did see where some people where coming from when they accused DC of milking, granted they gave some decent arguments.

Now I, first of all don't care anymore and second of all, realize that it was a mix of impatience and dissatisfactory with some of DC's choices and the way the game was going.

It could be that DC is taking his sweet time while raking in money and/or stretching out the game on purpose with new characters etc. Yet that could also not be the case, we simply don't know and there's no grounds for suspecting he's milking his Patrons.

But who the fuck cares imma play some Fallout New Vegas

 

[j4yj4m]

When it comes to that discussion, it's simply a fact that DC will just do whatever he wants and that it has never been black or white.

Since we've not seen them side by side like this until now, here's a comparison between new vs old Mia:

Spoiler: new vs old

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It's interesting to see how little DC actually bothered with his very first characters and how badly they where drawn at times (legs, arms, etc.). Then again, even before Mia was always lucky to have a rather well drawn face compared to many others, like old Roxxy, Jenny, etc.

 

[itsyeboii]

When it comes to that discussion, it's simply a fact that DC will just do whatever he wants and that it has never been black or white.

Since we've not seen them side by side like this until now, here's a comparison between new vs old Mia:

Spoiler: new vs old

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It's interesting to see how little DC actually bothered with his very first characters and how badly they where drawn at times (legs, arms, etc.). Then again, even before Mia was always lucky to have a rather well drawn face compared to many others, like old Roxxy, Jenny, etc.

Mia and the other girls really improved when they were redone. But for Debbie it's a straight downgrade in my opinion, yes even her face.
EDIT: see below

The quality overall is a step up but I don't always like the new style, he uses softer lines and shading now. Some girls really benefit from the new style but imo most of them don't.

Roxxy definitely looks better but Debbie used to look more realistic with somewhat proper proportions. DC kind of butchered her if you compare new (left) to old (right). Other characters suffer from this too where the proportions are weird, their tits look like balloons and they end up looking like a midget.
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EDIT: It also seems unnecessary that her robe is open all the way down now, like why?

 

[srksrk 68]

I wonder if at some point Roz and Mrs. Smith will get tigh gaps, too...

 

[srksrk 68]

 

[Stil996]

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Wow that is the most extreme before/after we've seen yet

 

[Stil996]

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Gotta say I'm looking Mrs Smiths Camel toe, is that a real image or are you playing with them ala Mia

 

[GHG007]

Is there any tran Eve wallpaper or only normal Eve that official has released, I haven't follow the game for two year, I just came back playing and I'm new to this community too lmao.
note: I saw the tran Eve scene and I love it and already downloaded it, I just wanna know it's there a tran Eve wallpaper.

 

[Ranma]

Gotta say I'm looking Mrs Smiths Camel toe, is that a real image or are you playing with them ala Mia

The Mia images are the legit ones.

The Anon & Mrs. Smith image is an edit by srksrk 68, you can clearly see that he edited Mia's new hips/legs onto both Anon and Mrs. Smith with just a little bit of image manipulation.

 

[Stil996]

The Mia images are the legit ones.

The Anon & Mrs. Smith image is an edit by srksrk 68, you can clearly see that he edited Mia's new hips/legs onto both Anon and Mrs. Smith with just a little bit of image manipulation.

I love it, he should send it to DC . It reminds me why I adore MILF's in jeans

 

[phill_leotardo]

the fifth batch i meant, my bad

we can tell by now that odette is very likely confirmed in the next batch of updates lol