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Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.5091] [Kompas Productions]
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- May 1, 2020
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There's been about 30 minutes of new content in every update ever. By your definition, there has never been a big release, and there never will be.
- Feb 22, 2018
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i think you have been ruined by the newer updates if you don't remember the old updates actually having lots of content. this fucker is literally a millionare at this point, making 80k a month for a tech update that should have been done over a year ago, he's been milking this so damn hard.
- Jul 12, 2017
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according to patreon the next update is just going to be another pre-tech update release so literally no content worth playing.
- Jul 17, 2019
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- Feb 22, 2018
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Lol
We should get pre-tech 5 by the end of the month. The "big bad evil tech that should have been done over a year ago cause he's a milking scamlord" could come out by the end of the year. Or not
- Sep 22, 2017
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I think the issue is not him "milking", because he clearly works on the game everyday and even streams some of it. I think the major issue with DC seems to be how he manages things. A lot of the things that he is reworking and fixing now. Should've been done a long time ago. And now since the game is a lot bigger and has a lot more content, it takes a shitton of time to fix all those things. Also at this point with the amount of money he makes he could've easily found another artist to help him with the game. His art style is not that unique that no one could copy it.
- Feb 22, 2018
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The 2nd artist point was nuked 6 years ago : it'll never happen, however many times people come out and cry about it. Just stop using it ......
- May 1, 2020
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Yes. This! DC doesn't know how to manage a programming project. If he worked for someone else, he would have been replaced when the project fell behind schedule. He's his own boss, and he either doesn't care that the Tech Update is behind schedule, or doesn't know what to do about it, so he's going to continue to let it slide. There's nothing any of us can do about it.
- Feb 22, 2018
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Yes but no. DC's part is art, which was finished last year. He wouldn't be fired cause his stuff's been around for ~8 months now. Granted, his managing skills are probably lacking. It seems more like he doesn't care though, not that he's secretly making a conspiracy to lenghten the dev time (he's not even doing the coding) to take years. Could/should he hire a new coder to help speed things up ? Maybe. He didn't do and probably won't ever do it, and nothing any1 says will change that
- May 1, 2020
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Obviously he wouldn't be fired from art. He would be replaced as project manager by someone with a PMP.
- Jun 19, 2017
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This whole management thing is easy said, but not as easy done and I'm not sure the tech-stuff/reworks could have been done thaaaat much earlier. The decision to take the game "more seriously" was taken after more than 1,5 years of development, where the question likely was, to either half-ass it quickly and move to the next project (DC indeed considered hiring somebody to start working on that project back then) or to "go big" and make it as good as possible.
The first reworks of Diane and Jenny were pretty unpopular, so it was totally unfeasible to add even more of these right after that and the first time he asked to add a tech update, it actually lost the poll on patreon by quite some margin. It's certainly true that they probably should have added a few more reworks in between then and now, but then again, I doubt that would have made a huge difference.
Ultimately this whole "hire a project manager" simply won't work as good as people imagine, because that's not how DC and Sploosh want to develop the game. If they find something they want to add or change or remove, which they think benefits the game, while they are working on the update, they'll do it. Fullstop. Of course that's going to crash every schedule, every time - which is why there isn't any. Then again, I think this style of development generally greatly benefits the game.
As to why this whole "tech update takes much longer thing" doesn't seem to be a big issue for DC? Likely because we are getting other content (scenes) in the meantime, which would have been released at a laster stage anyway. So it's not like the time is actually wasted, given that "there are too few scenes" has always been the biggest point of criticism whenever he realeased literally any update in these last years.
The first reworks of Diane and Jenny were pretty unpopular, so it was totally unfeasible to add even more of these right after that and the first time he asked to add a tech update, it actually lost the poll on patreon by quite some margin. It's certainly true that they probably should have added a few more reworks in between then and now, but then again, I doubt that would have made a huge difference.
Ultimately this whole "hire a project manager" simply won't work as good as people imagine, because that's not how DC and Sploosh want to develop the game. If they find something they want to add or change or remove, which they think benefits the game, while they are working on the update, they'll do it. Fullstop. Of course that's going to crash every schedule, every time - which is why there isn't any. Then again, I think this style of development generally greatly benefits the game.
As to why this whole "tech update takes much longer thing" doesn't seem to be a big issue for DC? Likely because we are getting other content (scenes) in the meantime, which would have been released at a laster stage anyway. So it's not like the time is actually wasted, given that "there are too few scenes" has always been the biggest point of criticism whenever he realeased literally any update in these last years.
- May 1, 2020
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Every ship needs to have a captain. When you pay people to work for you, you have to manage them or hire someone to manage them for you. If you don't, and just take a casual approach, then the job may get done, but it will take twice as long and cost twice as much as it should.
We won't know for sure how much work needed to be done until the Tech Update is out but, having seen as much of the code as I have, I can't imagine that this has been a well-managed project.
- Jun 19, 2017
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The team consist of DC working (drawing) full time and 3 to 4 other guys working part time. Next to that you have 2 guys freelancing for the animations and few more who temporarily help out posing now for the tech update. Everything is tailored to the amount of art DC can actually produce which simply limits everything else. No manager will change that.
I'm not sure you are aware that this whole thing started precisely because DC wanted to teach himself how to code? DC's coding exercise was literally all this game was supposed to be and that's what DC did for the first few updates. At some point one of his friends actually helped with the code until he dropped out eventually. Then DC hired a somewhat professional coder who cleaned up at little and when that guy left, the current coder started to work. That seems to be when they essentially decided that everything had to be redone at some point which is now happening.
Edit: So yes, in that sense it really wasn't a well managed project. Nobody actually planned far ahead until the game became popular enough to sustain itself and went way beyond that. But at that point the question became, how you'll deal with what you did until you actually got these opportunities.
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- Feb 22, 2018
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Dunno about the scenes. DC made them for the sole purpose of giving Patrons stuff to do to pass time while the coding part was made. Not saying it would never happen, but most of these scenes are too random and all over the place to warrant a few updates/remakes to add them.
- Jun 19, 2017
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I'd actually disagree here for the most part. Ultimately every fuckable girl is supposed to have a few scenes and most of the scenes in these pre-tech updates either fall into that category, were simply meant to add to characters, which could/would have needed more scenes anyway or were special scenes, which they really wanted to add (like the threesomes, etc.).
Sure, there may be a few "unnecessary" ones in between, but to me these seem few. Maybe the last ones for Josephine and Odette, the one for Ivanka and one of Ivy's?
Edit: And yes, they seem random at times, but how else should they add scenes for let's say Daisy, Liu, Tony/Maria, Josephine, Odette, the mafia girls, etc. when these stories are essentially done and likely will never get a real update again, as you say.
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- Sep 9, 2018
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- Feb 22, 2018
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More like week. They milk 1, skip 1 and come back the next
i think people see there's a discrepancy between the time spent and the time it takes to refactor the code. it's because although it might not have been optimized and a janky mess behind the hood, the game runs and is very playable. all the dialogue, art, and sound assets are already available, so a lot of the refactoring should be copy+paste. 1.5 years is a lot of time for pre-tech updates, and that's not even counting the real tech update. with the existing code/flow charts to tell you how scenes/minigames should play, i think it's very reasonable to have already rebuilt the game from scratch in a 1.5 year time frame.