Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.5258] [Kompas Productions]

[Count Morado]

Isn't that what all the relationships have been building toward all this time? Or are you referring to something new?

#65,220 <- here is the art of what I am talking about, don't forget that there is also coding that goes with it. This is a part of what I mean.

 

[FGM01]

#65,220 <- here is the art of what I am talking about, don't forget that there is also coding that goes with it. This is a part of what I mean.

Ah so it's a UI thing.

(20 babies in that one sheesh lol)

Interesting to see that the prom option here is separate from the harem. Wonder what that could mean.

 

[Lavance]

No. Also, it is best to remove confusion by using the full word you mean. NTR original means netorare - but others have used it for netorase and netori as well, and then have to clarify which NTR they mean. Just use the NTR you mean when you talk about it in the first place.

There will be no netorare in this.
No, it does not.
You feel cucked? So you like waiting? I could have sworn it was the opposite. Because again - people and their confusion for terms - modern cuckolds enjoy being cheated upon.

the developer is in the midst of a major update to the code and artwork, including the updating of the UI for mobile users - the developer's largest and growing fanbase - and incorporating the dating aspect which is for one of the major goals since the beginning of the development of Summertime Saga - having the MC get a date for the big dance.
You seem to have a wrong idea what this site is about. No one comes here to pay for anything. Hell, the site tries to monetize what little it can to pay the bills for hosting/etc by using ads and most of us use adblockers. To bitch about people on other sites and what they do there has nothing to do with this site and what is done here.

doesn't really address the fact it haves a scamming problem. And these dumbasses are falling for it.

 

[PayneToTheMax]

doesn't really address the fact it haves a scamming problem. And these dumbasses are falling for it.

You haven't been around this thread a lot, eh? 90% of it is bitching about this shit. Not like it changes anything, but venting is apparently healthy according to the reddit/tumblr crowd.

 

[Lavance]

You haven't been around this thread a lot, eh? 90% of it is bitching about this shit. Not like it changes anything, but venting is apparently healthy according to the reddit/tumblr crowd.

i mean. rightfully so, but they aren't taking actual actions. so its a waste of time lmfao

 

[danny79dk]

how come you constantly white knight for DC? you are in here constantly defending him and his scummy ways and trying to justify him taking years to put out a single update, are you secretly DC pretending to be a fan or did you donate a bunch of money and now you're just in to deep and need to justify your spent money?

Because the amount of trolls and tinfoil hats that are active on this thread is beyond ridiculous

 

[Badjourasmix]

We are nothing to most of the developers of titles on this site. We don't matter at all for any developer who has a bit of success on Patreon or subscribestar. What is said in this thread does not affect their bottom line in any significant way. The low subscriber count developers who are also active in threads here? Sure. What is said here matters to them, personally. But developer who never communicates here? They don't give a shit what you think of them. Even several developers who do communicate in threads here who are tired of the same repetitive whinging and wailing have told those who do it in threads here that they don't care what those whinger say - their game/VN isn't for them and that they should move on if they don't like it.

I disagree a little bit with this point, I would argue that without forums like this, these games wouldn't be as successful as they are. Most people discover these games through these forums so it helps a lot in growing the number of supporters on Patreon or SS. So if a game has a low rating or if the thread is full of people complaining about how bad the game is our or the dev being a scammer it can influence people into not supporting the dev.
But when you're at the level of support DC has right now, I agree that it doesn't really matter that much.

 

[Count Morado]

I disagree a little bit with this point, I would argue that without forums like this, these games wouldn't be as successful as they are. Most people discover these games through these forums so it helps a lot in growing the number of supporters on Patreon or SS. So if a game has a low rating or if the thread is full of people complaining about how bad the game is our or the dev being a scammer it can influence people into not supporting the dev.
But when you're at the level of support DC has right now, I agree that it doesn't really matter that much.

I think we're mostly in agreement - I think I stated similar in the paragraph you quote. Developers with low subscriber counts? Yeah, they care more and in the early part of development F95 does have the ability to help some developers. However, there's much more to success than that. There are developers who are regularly updating with strong support on F95 with high ratings that still can't break $100 USD per month after several years. Even after 2 years, only about half of all adult game creators on patreon bring in more than $100 USD per month. Less than 20% can eek a living after 2 years. So while F95 can be a game changer - it's not the guarantee a lot of people think it can be. It's that poorly formed perspective that may give some the wrong idea that even as non-subscribing fans they have a lot of sway in the success of developers.

But, yeah, Summertime Saga and F95 each feeding off the other's popularity in the early days enabled their growth (I've posted about this previously in this thread), are now too large for either to have an significant influence on the other. F95 has 35,000 different on-topic threads that drives its success. Summertime Saga has nearly 30 million results when search for on Google, including over 5 million video results and it has multiple streams of feeder systems from various adult sites around the internet - as well as quite a few mainstream in-roads. F95 is just a cup of water in a swimming pool that is Summertime Saga's market. And vice versa.

PS: I'm waiting for the moderator hammer to come down on the past page or so. HA!

 

[styggtuff12]

Tell me how stating facts and being honest with a situation is white knighting and defending? Just because I don't agree with you? I just keep it realistic and honest. I don't know what happened to education in parts of the world where people can't discern being honest and straightforward from defensiveness. Where allowing the same trolling to occur nearly every day is okay, but pushing back against that trolling is wrong.

I come here NOT to spend a penny and I have never spent a penny on any title ever listed on this site. I don't have a patreon account or a subscribestar account. I have never gotten a NSFW title from itch.io. I have said it once, I'll say it again, I am not paid by DC nor connected to the development team in any way, shape, or form. I don't go to DC's discord and I only go to the picarto if someone mentions something interesting in this thread and then I go and check out a VOD for a couple of minutes.

You all think you are so important to DC's success and that posting insults about him there and insulting others who are just trying to keep the thread a bit civil does anything. It doesn't. The only thing it does is make it difficult for people looking for actual information and game support and instead they have to wade through the muck and mire of the same repetitive bullshit that is tossed around here that is off-topic, not game related, and not relevant to F95 at all.

You are not that important for either DC to come in here or for him to even spend one single dollar to have someone defend him, let alone simply tell people the honest truth that they can't seem to figure out on their own.

We are nothing to most of the developers of titles on this site. We don't matter at all for any developer who has a bit of success on Patreon or subscribestar. What is said in this thread does not affect their bottom line in any significant way. The low subscriber count developers who are also active in threads here? Sure. What is said here matters to them, personally. But developer who never communicates here? They don't give a shit what you think of them. Even several developers who do communicate in threads here who are tired of the same repetitive whinging and wailing have told those who do it in threads here that they don't care what those whinger say - their game/VN isn't for them and that they should move on if they don't like it.

We're here to take things from developers without either paying for it or subscribe to their services. We're here to take without any form of compensation in return. That's why we're here. On top of that, we can help each other if there are troubleshooting issues that arise. We can talk about which characters we like or storylines we don't or vice versa. But --- honestly, people who come on this site to take things for free who then think they have some kind of right to complain about the speed of development or complain what the developer is making is a level of entitlement that is fucking ridiculous.

The developers owe us exactly what we have paid them --- absolutely nothing. The constant, repetitive complaining from either the actual howlers - or the trolls who are just attempting to attention whore - is worse than the toddler you hear screaming in the mall because their parent won't give them a sucker.

You say "scummy ways." That's fine - then STOP COMING HERE. But you can't. Can you? Because you want new content to choke the bishop to. But DC's not going to change in order to make you happy. The people who subscribe to his patreon are fully fucking aware --- especially after 30 months of the tech update --- of what they are getting into and have gotten into. They aren't subscribing for the game/VN - because it's free to everyone directly from the developer's website. Every-fucking-one. They are subscribing because they either like what DC's already done, what he's doing, or what his plans are for the title. No one is forcing them to keep their subscription active. No one is keeping them from cancelling. No one is stopping them from reporting DC to Patreon if they think he's not delivering.

What is your motivation for repeating the same complaints?

mate defending him a couple times is fine but you are here ALL THE TIME, every single page has at least 1 of your comments defending DC, this goes beyond "i just want to defend a game creator from pervy pirates". you're not white knighting any other game developer only DC.

what is so wrong with us criticizing DC's actions? so what if we're not patreons? are you not allowed to have opinions without having money invested?

 

[PayneToTheMax]

Cant someone remove those idiot long answers of this man?
Its a pure form of pollution.
Nobody reads them anyway.

Lol, the audacity of this statement. Assmad much?

What is so wrong with us criticizing DC's actions? so what if we're not patreons? are you not allowed to have opinions without having money invested?

How many times does it need repeating? IT'S. AGAINST. THE. RULES.

 

[Dragon59]

Cant someone remove those idiot long answers of this man?
Its a pure form of pollution.
Nobody reads them anyway.

Put him on ignore if you don't want to see his posts. Take some responsibility for your own experience instead of asking for someone else to do it for you.

 

[MorbidViews21]

still no tech update? lmaoooooooooo

 

[elstupidwolf]

3602 pages damn, so i'm not going to read everything.
Can someone explain what happened exactly? Feel like the game didn't move for a very long time now.

 

[PayneToTheMax]

3602 pages damn, so i'm not going to read everything.
Can someone explain what happened exactly? Feel like the game didn't move for a very long time now.

The current happening is that people are clogging up the thread with complaints about DC as if that's going to do diddly squat. Which was annoying in the past, but not strictly against the rules. Now, after the update, it is precisely against the rules and no need to think about why the staff have added that to the rules (spoiler: it's because all manner of threads have been shat up with complaints about creators and patreon, which is not the purpose for these threads).

 

[styggtuff12]

The current happening is that people are clogging up the thread with complaints about DC as if that's going to do diddly squat. Which was annoying in the past, but not strictly against the rules. Now, after the update, it is precisely against the rules and no need to think about why the staff have added that to the rules (spoiler: it's because all manner of threads have been shat up with complaints about creators and patreon, which is not the purpose for these threads).

then why are you complaining about the complainers? don't you know that's against the rules?

 

[Count Morado]

this goes beyond "i just want to defend a game creator from pervy pirates". you're not white knighting any other game developer only DC.

what is so wrong with us criticizing DC's actions? so what if we're not patreons? are you not allowed to have opinions without having money invested?

Correction: I'm not white knighting anyone. And fuck, how many times do I have to admit - I'm a fucking pervy freeloader too. It's like you only read what you want to read and interpret wrong meanings into what you do read.

I NEVER PAID A PENNY FOR ANYTHING HERE. I NEVER SUBCRIBED TO ANYTHING.

Does that fucking help you? Also, almost none of us are pirates. We're freeloaders. Almost no one cracks code or takes code directly from the developer or distributor without permission. Even the content we download from links here are either free from the developer (like Summertime Saga is - no one is pirating it) or paid for it/subscribe to the developer and then share what they get for that compensation here.

Also, I'm a regular in several other game threads and respond similarly to similar frequent complaints.

Spoiler: Hiding the wall, as I normally due - but didn't for a few

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then why are you complaining about the complainers? don't you know that's against the rules?

That's gaslighting. If there weren't the initial complainers - the follow up replies wouldn't exist. Ergo, stop breaking the rules to begin with, and everything gets a lot quieter. That whataboutism doesn't float.

 

[Strelok00]

This thread is getting better and better, no update but at least the banter is good.

 

[Count Morado]

3602 pages damn, so i'm not going to read everything.
Can someone explain what happened exactly? Feel like the game didn't move for a very long time now.

Well, if people would stop spamming the thread with their trollish comments and then clogging it by getting argumentative about their trollish behavior - it'd be a lot easier to find.

You can also check out #9, #10 in the 92nd posting of my FAQ here: #71,949
And some insight on why the re-coding is a bitch: #71,921
And some insight on why the posing is another bitch: #71,964

 

[itsyeboii]

what is so wrong with us criticizing DC's actions? so what if we're not patreons? are you not allowed to have opinions without having money invested?

You're allowed to criticize DC, the way this tech-update has been handled is terrible and deserves all the criticism it gets, there's no way around the situation.

The problem is that many people put on their conspiracy hat and spout misinformation about DC and the game. If you want to speculate that behind the scenes DC is deliberately delaying the update to string along patrons, or even not working on the update at all, then that's fine, but keep it to speculation (preferably with some actual arguments for once...) instead of stating it as facts and calling people who aren't on the conspiracy bandwagon stupid sheep.

These conspiracy comments are annoying to begin with because like the vast majority of conspiracy "theories", they're based on absolutely nothing other than emotions and what people want to believe instead of actual logic and reason. So if you're going to vomit baseless speculation filled with inaccuracies and assumptions, don't get butthurt when someone is in here that corrects you.
I don't agree with Count Morado all the time either, but most of the time he's got his I's dotted and his T's crossed, if you genuinely think he's paid by DC then I don't don't what to tell you.

 

[Badjourasmix]

You're allowed to criticize DC, the way this tech-update has been handled is terrible and deserves all the criticism it gets, there's no way around the situation.

The problem is that many people put on their conspiracy hat and spout misinformation about DC and the game. If you want to speculate that behind the scenes DC is deliberately delaying the update to string along patrons, or even not working on the update at all, then that's fine, but keep it to speculation (preferably with some actual arguments for once...) instead of stating it as facts and calling people who aren't on the conspiracy bandwagon stupid sheep.

These conspiracy comments are annoying to begin with because like the vast majority of conspiracy "theories", they're based on absolutely nothing other than emotions and what people want to believe instead of actual logic and reason. So if you're going to vomit baseless speculation filled with inaccuracies and assumptions, don't get butthurt when someone is in here that corrects you.
I don't agree with Count Morado all the time either, but most of the time he's got his I's dotted and his T's crossed, if you genuinely think he's paid by DC then I don't don't what to tell you.

Never attribute malice to what can be attributed to incompetence.