Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.5258] [Kompas Productions]

[u z i]

why can't they make updates so that we can use old saves? i don't get it. after making the game for so long do the developers still need to tweak/change earlier scenes or mechanics after every single update such that old saves don't work? i obviously have no knowledge on Ren'Py but no other game/VN i have played has this problem(not unless there are drastic changes in the game mechanics). is it really that hard?

 

[petur]

...is it really that hard?

Yes, it is that hard. To put it simply the way SS is being build they improve and add new content to all parts of the game: the beginning, the middle and not just at the ''end'' side of the code like many other games do. A save file is like a road map and when a game not just adds new roads but also changes the old ones, you need a new road map.

 

[RottenBlock]

why can't they make updates so that we can use old saves? i don't get it. after making the game for so long do the developers still need to tweak/change earlier scenes or mechanics after every single update such that old saves don't work? i obviously have no knowledge on Ren'Py but no other game/VN i have played has this problem(not unless there are drastic changes in the game mechanics). is it really that hard?

There's a whole post by the programmer discussing the problem

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[u z i]

Yes, it is that hard. To put it simply the way SS is being build they improve and add new content to all parts of the game: the beginning, the middle and not just at the ''end'' side of the code like many other games do. A save file is like a road map and when a game not just adds new roads but also changes the old ones, you need a new road map.

yes i understand that much. what i don't get is why are they continuously changing the 'beginning' and 'middle' parts. i mean surely before a scene is made or story added, the developers have already planned it out and would make them accordingly. so why is it continuously being changed? maybe they are just perfectionists. anyways thanks for your input. also someone linked a subreddit on this matter so hopefully it will make things clearer.

 

[Trapezio]

yes i understand that much. what i don't get is why are they continuously changing the 'beginning' and 'middle' parts. i mean surely before a scene is made or story added, the developers have already planned it out and would make them accordingly. so why is it continuously being changed?

Because the dude's earning more than 45000 $ monthly from SS. Is it enough, or should I add some more unnecessary words?

 

[Somnus]

Nothing beats Roxxy's bikini but still... That pool is there for a reason.

Spoiler: Swimsuits

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[Olegowsom]

what I have learned from this games is that it doesn't matter how much of a loser or a nerd you are, as long as you have a big dick, you can get all the bitches.

 

[Deleted member 2738]

I can't get past cuddle with the sister without her berating me yet I have 5 agility.
EDIT: Found out you had to sneak onto her computer at night and connect the camera.

 

[Snugglepuff]

what I have learned from this games is that it doesn't matter how much of a loser or a nerd you are, as long as you have a big dick, you can get all the bitches.

That's pretty much the premise behind virtually all porn games with a male protagonist though... And most of the common/cliched porn scenarios in general

 

[Balrog]

That's pretty much the premise behind virtually all porn games with a male protagonist though... And most of the common/cliched porn scenarios in general

And to be fair, he doesn't just get the girl because of his dick, for some of the girls, especialy Roxxy, he really pull their ass out of the fire.

 

[phoenixman123]

Nothing beats Roxxy's bikini but still... That pool is there for a reason.

Spoiler: Swimsuits

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So we’ll actually some content with the pool? Nice. Pool four-way?... :O

 

[Microtom]

last update 2 month ago and 55% progress?
damn, thats frustrating :/

As a community, we're overpaying for this. DC made 0 efforts to hire another artist, which is the only way progress would accelerate.

 

[VonRaschke]

As a community, we're overpaying for this. DC made 0 efforts to hire another artist, which is the only way progress would accelerate.

DC likely doesn't want anyone else drawing because he views the characters as his own creation. It's a common territorial thing with artists, especially for small projects like this compared to large-scale studio workplaces where multiple artists work on the same characters.

 

[Seagal]

I see that side of it and maybe some of it's true, but I'd say more likely than not he just wants all the money. I mean, if Patrons aren't going to force his hand to increase update speed then why would he?

His art style isn't special or anything and I'm sure he could find someone who could do an identical job that works even faster than he does. It all comes down to greed though in the end, and if people are willing to wait for his snail paced small updates then hey, he should do it. You know the saying... "there's a sucker born every minute..."

If save compatibility ever comes, maybe people will start to clearly see how small these updates actually are, and how absurd it is for someone to be making that much off so little content. It's straight robbery from foolish people really. I stopped pledging to DC a while ago, and have no intention of ever doing so again. Just felt like my money was better off being given to other creators who deserve it more.

 

[secretsonny]

He's actually been addressing this art point in streams a lot lately. (Probably because people keep bringing it up)

He's apparently looked for some and none have fit the bill of what he wants out of an artist. Results were either too slow, weren't interested or required too much instruction to get the job done. He's even asked fans to try and find someone interested in the job. (Albeit a little angry when asking but still...) Also he's paying like 4 or so other people at the same time so he's not getting that much more out of the patron's money than most creators.

Also the save compatibillity would come sooner if the fucking patrons would vote for the characters that are in the old code base. But maybe having a system where patrons vote for what comes next is a bad idea at this point.

I know more money gained = he's probably a scammer tho

 

[j4yj4m]

@Seagal:
Well, the game remains free and DC hasn't promised anything for way over 1 year. I mean, people really aren't that stupid, there are several trackers and the overall development speed is really obvious by now. It's perfectly fine to say that one think it's too slow, but I don't think it's fair to say that DC only cares about the money. He's said quite some time now that his attempts back then to find somebody didn't work as intended and I can really understand that he doesn't want to hand such a core job to somebody he doesn't trust/like for 110%. It's his project and there's no obligation at all to speed it up just for the sake of speed. Everybody is free to vote with his/her wallet after all but the fact that people stick with it should be respected.

Edit:
@secretsonny:
To be fair, most other games aren't hand drawn and have a way smaller and often linear setting. That's a huge difference.

 

[secretsonny]

@Seagal:

Well, the game remains free and DC hasn't promised anything for way over 1 year. I mean, people really aren't that stupid, there are several trackers and the overall development speed is really obvious by now. It's perfectly fine to say that one think it's too slow, but I don't think it's fair to say that DC only cares about the money. He's said quite some time now that his attempts back then to find somebody didn't work as intended. It's his project and there's no obligation at all to speed it up just for the sake of speed.

I wouldn't say he has no obligation to speed it up. I'd say he's obligated to update patrons and fans more on whats happening.

 

[j4yj4m]

I wouldn't say he has no obligation to speed it up. I'd say he's obligated to update patrons and fans more on whats happening.

Well, he's by far the most transparent dev I know. You have 3 different progress trackers (which is unique), usually 4 to 5 streams a week where you can talk to him and he's available on discord besides that. I mean, there's not much more he can actually do - or what would you like to see?

 

[secretsonny]

Well, he's by far the most transparent dev I know. You have 3 different progress trackers (which is unique), usually 4 to 5 streams a week where you can talk to him and he's available on discord besides that. I mean, there's not much more he can actually do - or what would you like to see?

Progress reports on patreon (bi-weekly at the least).
They don't even have to be too specific.

"Hey guys. This week x% got done. We're currently in the middle of working on assets/scenes./ We're stuck on this bit with the code and thats why you don't see x progressing."

 

[j4yj4m]

Progress reports on patreon (bi-weekly at the least).
They don't even have to be too specific.

"Hey guys. This week x% got done. We're currently in the middle of working on assets/scenes./ We're stuck on this bit with the code and thats why you don't see x progressing."

Well, that's what those trackers are for and people can get those informations anytime they want. I mean, he can't get more detailed than them without totally spoiling the update. Sure he could do it but I don't see which actual additional information you'd gain.