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Everyone complains about DC "milking" his patrons, but they always come back to drink another glass of milk when an update is released.
Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.5258] [Kompas Productions]
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- Feb 22, 2018
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it's not everyone it's literal coomers
- update comes out
- coomer edged for 14 hours on cheat mode the day the update came out instead of playing and enjoying the game for a couple hours a day over multiple weeks like a normal person would
- by day 2 he already coomed 15 times to the update plus played through all the mods
- "what the new update has been out for 2 whole days and dc isn't finished with the next one yet? wow i'm literally being scammed"
- another week passes
- coomer rages on f95 because he needs the new update to come out or he can't coom
- keeps complaining and saying dc is milkiing everyone until the new update is out
rinse and repeat. it's the cycle of autism
It's not a free game, if he didn't get any donations the game wouldn't be worked on to this day. Doesn't matter if you personally don't pay for his work, an artists work is never free.
A facepalm also means nothing besides you being unnecessarily insecure enough to point it out and try to use it as proof of your being correct.
- Feb 22, 2018
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^ Are you paying for the game ? Nope, you pay to help DC make what he wants, this isn't Kickstarter
Is your pledge paying for the game ? Nope, you pay for the tier perks
Is the game behind a paywall ? Nope, every1 gets it for free
Would the game still be made if your pledge was not there ? Yes, unless you can convince the ~25k dudes to unpledge overnight, the game will still come out
So, how is any of this milking ? You don't pay for the game, you pay for tier perks to vote in polls and get roles on Discord, you still get the game for free and your pledge doesn't mean anything in the ocean of dudes pledging.
Is your pledge paying for the game ? Nope, you pay for the tier perks
Is the game behind a paywall ? Nope, every1 gets it for free
Would the game still be made if your pledge was not there ? Yes, unless you can convince the ~25k dudes to unpledge overnight, the game will still come out
So, how is any of this milking ? You don't pay for the game, you pay for tier perks to vote in polls and get roles on Discord, you still get the game for free and your pledge doesn't mean anything in the ocean of dudes pledging.
Never seen anyone so willingly ignorant about how patreon works. You unwittingly proved my point by arguing this way.
Perks are not seperate from the game if they were why would his patreon be named after it? You pay certain tiers to have a right to participate in polls... For what? For the fun of voting in polls or for the right to steer the game in the direction they want it to go?
Pledges mean something since you payed for whatever you got on top of ensuring the project you supported still keeps running...
Which goes back to my original point: if EVERYONE pulled their pledged the game will not continue to be worked on, his team will move on to other titles and get their bread. The same would have happened in Summertime Saga's infancy.
That's not a hard fact to grasp considering the amount of failed projects halted because they didn't get enough financial support. Not only on here but elsewhere. Sorry but you can't 'spin' this the opposite direction without looking like a dullard, very rarely would someone spend their precious time towards developing a game just for the heck of it.
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HAHAHHAHA,that's literally the dumbest thing i've heard someone say on this site.
- Feb 22, 2018
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You pay for polls that DC can ignore on a whim and that won't affect either the game nor his Patron count/$ per month. Also voting for polls won't mean anything if your vote doesn't go well (Judith says hi).
DC was making the game with little to no $, he'll still be making the game if the pledges drop : his last goal was at 30k and it was for him to stream naked and film it, his last "real" stretch goal was at 25k for most of the team. That's ~40k and/or 2/3 of his monthly income you could remove and the game would still be made with little to no downside.
Point still remains : where in anything said so far does DC come out as a milking scamlord ? People pledging are either happy with being milked or there's no milking whatsoever
- Jun 19, 2017
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Well, there's no singular way in which patreon works. Some creators promise and deliver very regular releases and charge patrons for the release, where higher tiers get early access, some charge per release/episode and some use it as some kind of tip jar and give away the product to everyone, maybe with some smaller additional perks which aren't related to the product itself.
It's a huge difference, whether a creator promises early access to a product and charges money for it or whether you'll get the product for free, no matter whether you are a patron or not. I guess this far we can agree.
In return that's going to have an impact on patrons expectations on on their patience. If you pay $20 to $25 a month for early access you may indeed demand something within a predefined timeframe, because you are paying for it. If you essentially toss some money in a tip jar, the situation is certainly different.
Edit: Of course the money matters to a significant degree, but the situation is as it is for 2.5 years by now and I refuse to believe that there's a sane patron left, who still pledges significant amounts of money and still expects monthly or so releases. So you may indeed assume that those who give money are somewhat satisfied with the development process.
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- Sep 17, 2018
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DC started this project with little to no expectations. There were updates every other week in the beginning, but of poor quality (not the least comparable to what he delivers today). People voted for longer cycles providing larger updates, and that's what he delivers.
Everybody gets the game for free. What patrons pay for is extra content (wallpapers) or being mentioned in the credits, or even get a character or story twist. Who pays the least $1 gets the game one day early, hooray!
Apart from that, there is a fan comunity which enjoys the game as it is. Now you even can contribute by not only bug reporting but translating the game. Guess what, people do that for free because they like the game so much. I would count myself in, providing the mod for free. So much to your theory that nothing would be developed without being paid.
Last not least, talking about mods: if there was an update every two weeks, I would not think that anyone would bother making one. People would not install them if they had to wait a week each time.
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- Feb 22, 2018
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your both right to an extent. it takes money to make what he makes and it takes time to make what he makes but i agree on that if it takes until 2025 to finish it then what is the problem? the game is a good few hrs to play and its getting more hrs as it gets worked on. kinda wish they worked like this on fallout 4 and fallout 76 like this but hey its imo.
Everyone is all "neerrh patreon nerrr money nerrr" and I'm all "sweet, more Maria pr0n." Y'all are crazy.
- Feb 22, 2018
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Fallout 76 would actually have to be a functional game for the devs to work up on it
