Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.5258] [Kompas Productions]

[BorsDeGanis]

Well, just because there are some issues, doesn't mean, that people don't take it way too far. That guy literally called a game, that already has more content than quite a few finished games "contentless". That's not griping, that's being totally ignorant at best or trolling at worst.

It's remarkable, that people still have to make stuff up, when there'd be a lot actual problems to adress. But that likely just shows, that most people who write these kind of comments don't really care about the game in first place.

I'm not talking about one guy's annecdote, I'm talking about the vast majority of people. You don't just get to decide what people can and can't feel and in my experience if enough people feel a type of way there is some value there. Take the ending of Game of Thrones season eight for example. There is some merit to the ending being shit.

People have been supporting this dev for years for far more than the value of the games worth. Putting just 10 dollars in a month for four years of development is nearly 500 dollars someone has given this dev. Now I'm not saying they are owed anything, but two years of mediocre releases is a real gripe and those people deserve to have their voices heard even if the dev changes anything or not they should know that people feel a type of way about the decisions being made.

 

[BorsDeGanis]

If you donate and come here to cry : you fail at basic life.

As opposed to what? Coming here to defend a dev from every single comment of criticism? I don't follow the logic.

Dev doesn't come here, nor seems to care about the thread.

So why are you spending so much time insulting people?

Donate and want to cry ? You got direct access to DC on Patreon/secret Discord channels/Picarto. He insta-banned you or you feel shafted ? Stop donating.

I don't donate to him personally. I have no horse in this race but I can still see that other people do have a lot of time and money invested into this game.

There, just solved every fake drama you can come up with in 2 easy steps.

All drama is personalized. Therefore by your definition all drama is fake. Doesn't mean that that there isn't a valid gripe.

If none of the above concerns you : you're crying over a free game the dev won't ever hear about. Grats

So why do you care?

 

[Omnikuken]

As opposed to what? Coming here to defend a dev from every single comment of criticism? I don't follow the logic.



So why are you spending so much time insulting people?



I don't donate to him personally. I have no horse in this race but I can still see that other people do have a lot of time and money invested into this game.



All drama is personalized. Therefore by your definition all drama is fake. Doesn't mean that that there isn't a valid gripe.



So why do you care?

So, you don't care but manage to talk for every1 who donates but don't come in here ? Makes sense. This also negates me to counter what you post how ?

Once more : if people donate and come here to tell us they don't like DC, it makes no sense/flamebaits/wastes time/bloats thread. Pro tip : if all of those people would stop posting useless junk, I wouldn't be here countering them. And no, I'm not stopping to post daily against their trash just because you get mad about it

 

[Dragon59]

I'm not talking about one guy's annecdote, I'm talking about the vast majority of people. You don't just get to decide what people can and can't feel and in my experience if enough people feel a type of way there is some value there. Take the ending of Game of Thrones season eight for example. There is some merit to the ending being shit.

People have been supporting this dev for years for far more than the value of the games worth. Putting just 10 dollars in a month for four years of development is nearly 500 dollars someone has given this dev. Now I'm not saying they are owed anything, but two years of mediocre releases is a real gripe and those people deserve to have their voices heard even if the dev changes anything or not they should know that people feel a type of way about the decisions being made.

First you say that one cannot decide what people feel, then state that people have donated more than the game is worth. Given that everyone has their own feelings, you can't determine if they've given more than the game is worth to them.

Are you claiming the issue is both subjective AND objective? Or that only you understand the objective reality but everyone else is dealing with subjective feelings?

 

[McSlut]

no matter how you look at it, working for 3 years on a "tech" update for a freaking ren'py game is beyond ridiculous. there are indie teams the same size who make entire games with deep gameplay mechanics in 3D engines in the same timeframe. maybe DC isn't milking on purpose but i'm not sure if incompetence as the reason why everything is taking so long is a much better outlook for the project. he sure as hell doesn't mind the money coming in monthly even if people say "he doesn't care about money". in terms of dev progress and the amount of money he's making, he should have put his patreon on hold a long time but you'll never see that happening.

 

[winky88888]

update？

 

[exirock]

Nope to about everything. The game was(is) a wonky mess that 4+ dudes coded on top of each other, it was due for a "remake" for a long time (was in talks since before 0.18 came out).

"Tech update shouldn't be a priority" : lolnope. The game works through sheer miracles at this point. Not doing it now and waiting 5+ more updates would only make life miserable for us now and add 5+ years when they actually do remake it.

"Development is slow cause $" : another lolnope. He's not gonna hire any1 else cause he wants to not hire any1 else. $ has no relations to what DC does on the game.

The only remotely close to reality point you brought was the estimates DC made were hot garbage, but after 7 years of development, any1 still taking whatever he comes out with as carved in stone 100% accurate guesstimations is to blame when said dude then comes back and cries it takes 2 years for a recode

They done a Code restructure not too long ago, to reduce the mess it had during the years, now if its a mess again its their fault, if i recall was Main coder and they hired a freelance to help recode most of the critical parts of game aswell some other things.

He could hire someone else to help, but at this point he wont, to not make any work conflict that can lead to delay of the tech update, but also he doesnt hire anyone else cause the money reduced from Feb 2022 to Feb 2023, which was a significant lose, you might say that makes no difference but it does, money drops = quality and development goes down.

 

[Macal]

update？

Tomorrow, but u have to read it every day

 

[WigglyWorld84]

Even in 2016, who would make a game (or any visual media) in 4:3 ratio?

the switch to widescreen/cinema ratios for home content started in the late 1980s. My first laserdiscs (fuck you, im old) even had letterbox to counter the 4:3 tvs we all had back then.

 

[Omnikuken]

Even in 2016, who would make a game (or any visual media) in 4:3 ratio?

the switch to widescreen/cinema ratios for home content started in the late 1980s. My first laserdiscs (fuck you, im old) even had letterbox to counter the 4:3 tvs we all had back then.

Who ? Most devs. Many games in here are still 4:3

 

[WigglyWorld84]

Who ? Most devs. Many games in here are still 4:3

Really? this is the only 4:3 game I am aware of here.... "most devs?" really? Maybe before 2005 when consoles switched to 16:9. "Many games?" which other games in the last 10yrs?

I smell hyperbole!

 

[j4yj4m]

Even in 2016, who would make a game (or any visual media) in 4:3 ratio?

the switch to widescreen/cinema ratios for home content started in the late 1980s. My first laserdiscs (fuck you, im old) even had letterbox to counter the 4:3 tvs we all had back then.

It simply happened, because SS wasn't supposed to become a game in the first place. DC wanted to teach himself working with renpy/coding and created a few images. That's, for example, how Roxxy became the cover girl of the game, since she was the first character DC made back then. So it made sense not to bother with large(r) backgrounds, etc.

People liked that, the "game" became popular really fast and back then mobile gaming was indeed much less popular. So - I guess - it just didn't seem important to change the ratio, let alone at the potential cost of losing a lot of the initial momentum and support.

Quite a few of the problems SS still has nowadays are a result of the way it became such a huge project in the first place.

 

[Omnikuken]

Really? this is the only 4:3 game I am aware of here.... "most devs?" really? Maybe before 2005 when consoles switched to 16:9. "Many games?" which other games in the last 10yrs?

I smell hyperbole!

Games not having massive black bars on the sides doesn't mean they're not still in 4:3. Most RPGmaker games aren't even 1024 screenrez cause the engine doesn't go that high

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

update？

tomorrow

 

[CoolHandChewie]

update?

 

[Dragon59]

update?

Ok, I can give you an update.

I'm feeling much better after picking up a virus from the grandkids. My 3d modeling/video editing computer should arrive in the next 24 hours or so, soo I'm looking forward to that. Thanks for asking.

 

[Omnikuken]

They done a Code restructure not too long ago, to reduce the mess it had during the years, now if its a mess again its their fault, if i recall was Main coder and they hired a freelance to help recode most of the critical parts of game aswell some other things.

He could hire someone else to help, but at this point he wont, to not make any work conflict that can lead to delay of the tech update, but also he doesnt hire anyone else cause the money reduced from Feb 2022 to Feb 2023, which was a significant lose, you might say that makes no difference but it does, money drops = quality and development goes down.

Got nuked last time but still nope to everything

 

[BorsDeGanis]

First you say that one cannot decide what people feel, then state that people have donated more than the game is worth. Given that everyone has their own feelings, you can't determine if they've given more than the game is worth to them.

I never said that every subjective opinion is equally valid. I said that you don't get to decide in your own subjective bias whether or not they are worth being heard. I'm actually making an argument for collective objectivity.

But as per your example; I think you can actually come up with an objective standard of value in the gaming industry by looking at and comparing development cost, content, growth, etc. Obviously these things aren't 1 to 1 but the amount of content this game offers is objectively less comparatively to most industry developers, even small indie ones, with revenue that is essentially pure profit, on simplified architecture. The increase in value here is astronomical. Most developers wish they had the kinds of margins that this dev has. A few employees, and 60k (fluctuated) in monthly income is almost unheard of for games of this size and development cost.

Are you claiming the issue is both subjective AND objective?

I'm claiming that there are objective standards that come from a big collection of subjective opinions that align. Not that an individual personalized claim is inherently equal to all others.

 

[exirock]

Got nuked last time but still nope to everything

lol just grow up, your points are speculations aswell, dont try to give ur points has the truth when they are speculations, and try respect other people opinions, dont act like ur opinions and comments are right.

 

[Omnikuken]

lol just grow up, your points are speculations aswell, dont try to give ur points has the truth when they are speculations, and try respect other people opinions, dont act like ur opinions and comments are right.

He lost $/month and didn't do anything. That's not speculations. Dev time or whatever didn't go down either. Until proven otherwise by DC hiring 20 dudes and releasing 3 updates per month, my point still holds more validity then all the "but wait till he gets to 0$/month and the game dies out"