Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.5258] [Kompas Productions]

[Dark3DX]

Game R.I.P?

 

[Happiness0546]

Don't tell me the developer is dead?

 

[otranu]

It's pretty simple to figure out who's got a good grasp of development and who's just frustrated because they can't fap.

The key is spotting those who can actually write at least a f***** decent paragraph.

yes you clearly are delusional right noted

And those who can use a coma

 

[otranu]

Don't tell me the developer is dead?

Yes he was replaced by the original Paul Mccartney , who has also undergone a replacement. This is precisely why you now have the opportunity to access Picarto and enjoy approximately 40 hours of live streaming featuring the developer at work.

 

[thedoomerjo]

you just cant read with understanding dude he doesnt stream 5 days in a week he streams 3 at most in the last months ....dude consuela was literally 4 years ago do you have a concept of time even ???? and it was not even a full story it was just a christmass half update he made in TWO MONTHS, but still it had more content than the things he did put out in the last 4 years he did constantly remake the main story 3 times he did do the artwork story and everything around it and 3 times he did remake the previous content that he worked on for 6-8 months then he put out this garbage tech update that he did already 2-3 times too that he change the way things worked the art was done or expanded the ratio cause of the mobile users and every time he said it is going to help the process to make updates come out faster, but they were every time slower and slower .... all of those 20 minute gameplay scenes made were mid at best most of the art didnt show anything was from a garbage point of view and looked horrible .... dude got to 80% in a year and couple months then for another year and couple months made 2 % progress .... and no people cant vote at all cause most of them are no brain pepegas just like you who are simping for no reason and having absolutely no clue about things that are going on for years now .... you are constantly saying the same no brain statements over and over you are a bot dude a paid bot probably thats were the subscription money goes,as I said before if it doesnt matter that we state facts here that you obviously dont like to hear, then why dont you let everyone do their thing and shut the fuck up ??? if people dont know or refuse to acknowledge things, people who are playing this game since the beginning that started almost 10 years ago even before patreon are going to tell them these things so they actually start putting their money to use where there is actually progress made but doesnt has enought support , cause those are the people that actually know what are they talking about and unlike you who just simply copy paste the same sentences over and over ..... there are still people who dont know when this whole tech update started and are asking the same questions and dont realize that there wont be and update for another 2 years at least cause DC is milking this whole thing .... I am pretty sure you have 0 concept about money cause yes in 4 years and with all the money that he did ALREADY MILKED before 10 YEARS almost as I said before he had enough money to hire any amount of coders.... The game was NOT free for any person that spent any amount of money to SUPPORT HIM so that he can use the money for MAKING THE GAME not going on vacations .... you clearly have absolutely no clue what he is constantly doing or refuse to acknowledge the truth and lie intentionally, you are a fake and a fraud most likely just like he is, money is not the only currency that people are putting in this, its their TIME TOO and thats priceless so dont you dare tell people what to do or think, and you cant read I never said go out, what are you on ?!?!?! people are waiting for years without anything in return, stop harassing people no one asked for your opinions keep them to yourself and dont react if they didnt quote you, and its absolutely funny that you mention to people their time and what are they doing with it here, when you are 24/7 simping for DC and harassing everyone with facts or who has a bad opinion about him or how are things done, BTW next time include the last 30 days not just one week cause you just needed to click a single thing to view it and show everyone who doesnt know how much streams he skipped View attachment 2945045 View attachment 2945047

People out there really writing The Declaration of Independence length posts about a porn game.

 

[Vernalcash]

you just cant read with understanding dude he doesnt stream 5 days in a week he streams 3 at most in the last months ....dude consuela was literally 4 years ago do you have a concept of time even ???? and it was not even a full story it was just a christmass half update he made in TWO MONTHS, but still it had more content than the things he did put out in the last 4 years he did constantly remake the main story 3 times he did do the artwork story and everything around it and 3 times he did remake the previous content that he worked on for 6-8 months then he put out this garbage tech update that he did already 2-3 times too that he change the way things worked the art was done or expanded the ratio cause of the mobile users and every time he said it is going to help the process to make updates come out faster, but they were every time slower and slower .... all of those 20 minute gameplay scenes made were mid at best most of the art didnt show anything was from a garbage point of view and looked horrible .... dude got to 80% in a year and couple months then for another year and couple months made 2 % progress .... and no people cant vote at all cause most of them are no brain pepegas just like you who are simping for no reason and having absolutely no clue about things that are going on for years now .... you are constantly saying the same no brain statements over and over you are a bot dude a paid bot probably thats were the subscription money goes,as I said before if it doesnt matter that we state facts here that you obviously dont like to hear, then why dont you let everyone do their thing and shut the fuck up ??? if people dont know or refuse to acknowledge things, people who are playing this game since the beginning that started almost 10 years ago even before patreon are going to tell them these things so they actually start putting their money to use where there is actually progress made but doesnt has enought support , cause those are the people that actually know what are they talking about and unlike you who just simply copy paste the same sentences over and over ..... there are still people who dont know when this whole tech update started and are asking the same questions and dont realize that there wont be and update for another 2 years at least cause DC is milking this whole thing .... I am pretty sure you have 0 concept about money cause yes in 4 years and with all the money that he did ALREADY MILKED before 10 YEARS almost as I said before he had enough money to hire any amount of coders.... The game was NOT free for any person that spent any amount of money to SUPPORT HIM so that he can use the money for MAKING THE GAME not going on vacations .... you clearly have absolutely no clue what he is constantly doing or refuse to acknowledge the truth and lie intentionally, you are a fake and a fraud most likely just like he is, money is not the only currency that people are putting in this, its their TIME TOO and thats priceless so dont you dare tell people what to do or think, and you cant read I never said go out, what are you on ?!?!?! people are waiting for years without anything in return, stop harassing people no one asked for your opinions keep them to yourself and dont react if they didnt quote you, and its absolutely funny that you mention to people their time and what are they doing with it here, when you are 24/7 simping for DC and harassing everyone with facts or who has a bad opinion about him or how are things done, BTW next time include the last 30 days not just one week cause you just needed to click a single thing to view it and show everyone who doesnt know how much streams he skipped View attachment 2945045 View attachment 2945047

Dude go outside.
This level of obsession over a game can't be good for you.

 

[MurkyTurtle]

DC spent today's stream adding desks and detail to the classroom, which in combination with the earlier update to the art teacher's sex scene background indicates the team is currently waist-deep in updating the teacher routes.



I don't do much more than skim the streams out of curiosity, but towards the end he confirmed that both Roxxy and Debbie's art remains on the old system for now and will need their own dedicated update to the rig to enable pregnancy content. Missy content will also be added as part of Roxxy's future update. He's going to get through the remaining schoolgirls before he addresses it, though, so us Missy fans will have to wait.

 

[mamajoe321321]

He hired the people he said he would hire and he's keeping that level. So I'm not sure where you are getting the idea, that he'd not. And no, he never promised to hire another artist, while he did hire people who are doing the animations for him.

Then again, that was like 4-5 years ago. Do you seriously think there's anybody left who gave money to DC back then because he thought (for no reason) DC would certainly hire 5 new coders and 3 new artists and who is still giving money to DC now waiting for it to happen? I mean, there are stupid people out there but that's just another level of being slow.

it was 7 years ago actually and you clearly are" THAT SLOW" if you dont see that he did clearly ignore all of those previous goals so he can milk the slow progress, and yes most people are either retarded who keep simping like you and ignore those goals that literally stated he will get animators, artist coders etc , he didnt hire almost any new guys he did replace the some but didnt ad to them... or they are new and actually dont know anything about the whole thing and say dumb stuff, that would describe again you ..... if someone is not keeping his word and actually do the things he was paid, then yes people should stop donating until he ACTUALLY makes it real hires more people and boosts the progress

 

[deathyface]

Alright people should really cut the childish fighting. It's over a fucking porn game dudes.

As I said, I personally don't support DC anymore, if people do, thats their perogative, I certainly got my moneys worth out of the game for what I paid to support it.

It's fine to be negative/positive, just cut out the childish arguing and fighting it's like being on club penguin in 2005

 

[j4yj4m]

it was 7 years ago actually and you clearly are" THAT SLOW" if you dont see that he did clearly ignore all of those previous goals so he can milk the slow progress, and yes most people are either retarded who keep simping like you and ignore those goals that literally stated he will get animators, artist coders etc , he didnt hire almost any new guys he did replace the some but didnt ad to them... or they are new and actually dont know anything about the whole thing and say dumb stuff, that would describe again you ..... if someone is not keeping his word and actually do the things he was paid, then yes people should stop donating until he ACTUALLY makes it real hires more people and boosts the progress

Why even bother writing so much when you are just making stuff up? It's a total waste of time. You didn't even bother to check if the goals are still online on patreon. Are they? No they aren't, quite some time actually.

 

[Count Morado]

yes dude but still you make 60k a month, you owe your patreons that you will retire as a millionaire in a couple years so don't you think you have some responsibility to do everything you can to do right by them and not let them wait for 5 years for a fucking tech update?

You keep saying this. He owes his patreons what he promises in his tier benefits for them... And he fulfills those promises, monthly. Any game update and release are not part of the benefits for his subscribers. I don't think you seem to get this.

The contract he has with his patreons are the tier benefits as his only obligation in exchange for the compensation. If anyone thinks differently - they are wrong. They are incorrect. They are mistaken. And anyone who continues to argue that the game is an obligation after being reminded dozens, hundreds of times is the fool they are taken for.

I am still curious of the folks that signed up and just forgot.

Yes, there are probably a decent number of people who subscribed and forgot. For those people who do not miss that $1 or whatever each month tells you more about their financial situation than anything else. The monthly fee they pay is so small compared to their personal income and wealth that it doesn't matter to them. Why should it matter to anyone who is not them?

Now, for the people who sign up for the service you mention - they realize they are spending money they may or may not desire to and after receiving the report from that service, make informed decisions about continuing. Again, why should it matter to anyone who is not them?

Stop milking people with this line "Omg I have to work two jobs thats why I don't get enough time to finish update on time, if you support me on patreon, i will be able to hire another artist so we can update the game faster" LMFAO.

I think you are in the wrong thread. This is the developer's full time job. He has a staff of about 10, including himself, who fill the roles of artist, writer, coder, image posers, and more which he pays a salary to.

Also, for other games, I think you forget that yes - this is a side gig at best and for many simply a hobby. If you want them to work more hours on a game they are developing, it means people will need to subscribe so that they can quit one of their jobs (or reduce their hours) in order to devote more time. There are only 24 hours in a day and 7 days in a week. Again, though, we are taking these games for free - whether the developer intends that to happen or not - us bitching about what they do to attempt to earn some money is not our business... and is off-topic for game threads per the site rules.

 

[otranu]

i don't know, it's not me who makes 60k a month and is given 2 years to find a solution. first thing i'd do is probably get the whole team together and make a real calculation (based on math, not whatever he used to come up with the old estimation of 3 months) of how long the tech update with the current speed of things is going to take and if it turns out that it will probably take a couple more years i'd be honest with my patreons and tell them that. there must be a way to do a rough estimation on how much longer it will take. i would also do anything that i could to find better/more coders, sure at the beginning it might slow things down if you got 2-3 coders working at the same time because the lead coder has to explain to the other ones what they have to do. that's the thing though he had 2 years until now to train some new coders and to do all of that and wasn't his sole coder only employed part time until very recently?

Estimation:

He never made an estimation of 3 months, i think the lowest was like 9, which, still, is a lot less. This is, for me, the biggest mistake he made i think the estimation was rushed and he did not think true when presenting it to the patrons, and that is failing in communication.

Having said that, estimations are tricky, for not saying imposible for this kind of tasks. So I think there are two options: try to do even more planning and distract the team (delaying even more the update) to do a new estimation that probably, almost defenetly, will be false, OR try to communicate the velocity of the projects and what tasks are being done so you can be transparent with the people who pays.

Now, if next year with a functioning base system, adapted to new techonologies and a solid team , they say that the Rhonda update will be 5 months and it ends up taking 10, well , they really suck at this.

Coders:

You can not have what you want with 60k. Actually He has at least 7 people on the team and i have no idea how he could manage that if some of them were not part-timers. Also taxes, patron share, and expenses.

2-3 senior programers who are willing to participate in a porn game are hard to find and REALLY EXPENSIVE. 2-3 juniors dont take desiciones , so now he needs someone to formulate and explain tasks, also expensive. This at the start would be a suicide specially because, as i said , the scope was bad and i dont think they knew what they really want, And now, as you said , would slow down the progress, which has been steady for some months, so it would be a high risk.

lastly i would stop wasting my time drawing more school desks or other shit nobody cares about and work on lots more h-scenes so i can inlude them with the tech update so that the fans don't have to be satisfied with 16:9 resolution, some new empty locations and nothing else after years of waiting.

seriously i was looking at his latest picarto stream checking if it really was true that he was drawing more bullshit and it's true. he's obviously struggling to find stuff to draw so that must mean he has already finished converting all the backgrounds to the new resolution and finished drawing all the ronda, annie and judith art assets right? (lol)

Only work on more scenes for the tech update:

I mean... do you want them to take longer or... ?

Priorities:

Again ...I mean... I do want him to draw school desk and other shit? Part of the quality of this game is how detailed it is. I like to enter to eve apartment and find lot of details, you might want another game but i dont think patrons want that.

Now , this is the thing for me that is really hard to understand: The bottleneck is the code, so why are people so fixated that DC changes what is he doing to speed up the development.

 

[Deleted member 6297007]

This 'tech update' is certainly a bone of contention. Arguments for and against the developer and the development structure are valid and I can sympathise from both perspectives. However, constant bickering solves nothing and gets us nowhere. Either support DarkCookie or don't...the tech update will be done when it's done...hopefully before I die!!!

 

[exsomon]

so developer tried to upgrade engine used for some reason,
fucked something up, could not find the reason which might be trevial as a missing semicolon
ther started from scratch
it is better to abandon this one and start another
takes less time

 

[PayneToTheMax]

true but what i wonder is, do these people who are still supporting STS financially realize that they are actually harming the game development by doing that.

I doubt most of them actually notice supporting him on their bank account amongst all the other bills they pay each month.

lastly i would stop wasting my time drawing more school desks or other shit nobody cares about and work on lots more h-scenes so i can inlude them with the tech update so that the fans don't have to be satisfied with 16:9 resolution, some new empty locations and nothing else after years of waiting.

Then make your own goddamn game. At least you'd be doing something of value that benefits this place instead of wasting everyone's time.

 

[teraptuss]

Yes, there are probably a decent number of people who subscribed and forgot. For those people who do not miss that $1 or whatever each month tells you more about their financial situation than anything else. The monthly fee they pay is so small compared to their personal income and wealth that it doesn't matter to them. Why should it matter to anyone who is not them?

Now, for the people who sign up for the service you mention - they realize they are spending money they may or may not desire to and after receiving the report from that service, make informed decisions about continuing. Again, why should it matter to anyone who is not them?

Dude I don't know what your deal is and why you get so condescending and sanctimonious. Even if you claim you are not trying to be, your tone comes off as so.

Crap load of the people in this thread complain about the dude milking or not hiring enough folks or why he makes too much money. The other half piss and moan that those folks are in here and not people just trying to have a discussion about what ever they deem germane to this thread.

Yet when folks try to ask something out of curiosity, people like you shit all over them. I was legit interested, not trying to insinuate what why how people spend their money.

Reading a handful of the posts, its almost like you enjoy the folks complaining just so you can get those hits of dopamine trying to be the smartest self righteous twat in the room.

 

[PayneToTheMax]

Since it apparently bears reminding

 

[Count Morado]

I was legit interested, not trying to insinuate what why how people spend their money.

This reads like someone insinuating something (emphasis added)--

who actually forgets they have a subscription. A LOT is the answer. My mind was blown on just how many folks had subs to Netflix or apple TV and just forgot, let alone small amounts that most of Dc's tiers are on Patreon are set at. Patreon is actually one of the large "offender" our subsidiary scrubs out for clients....

Dunno if its related...but seems like good business practices for DC or other creators to have low tiers since folks are more likely to forget about a $1 here $5 there a month. I am not a supporter or hater of DC either way ...just curios of how many of his Patreon's are long forgotten pay zombies

I hope you can see how a reader might take this as such - a backwards way to complain about "pay zombies" and stating it is "good business practices" for creators to have low tiers specifically for people to forget, with Patreon a "large 'offender'".

I apologize I misread your intent. Thank you for clarifying.

Since it apparently bears reminding
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Thanks, though as we've seen... LUL

 

[sucklepuck]

The only milkers I care about are Diane's tbh.

 

[McSlut]

Estimation:

He never made an estimation of 3 months, i think the lowest was like 9, which, still, is a lot less. This is, for me, the biggest mistake he made i think the estimation was rushed and he did not think true when presenting it to the patrons, and that is failing in communication.

Having said that, estimations are tricky, for not saying imposible for this kind of tasks. So I think there are two options: try to do even more planning and distract the team (delaying even more the update) to do a new estimation that probably, almost defenetly, will be false, OR try to communicate the velocity of the projects and what tasks are being done so you can be transparent with the people who pays.

Now, if next year with a functioning base system, adapted to new techonologies and a solid team , they say that the Rhonda update will be 5 months and it ends up taking 10, well , they really suck at this.

well you are wrong, he made an estimation of 3-4 months and put the whole thing to a vote

https://f95zone.to/threads/summertime-saga-v0-20-16-pre-tech-kompas-productions.276/post-11358944

now how he got to the number is one of the biggest mysteries in summertime saga development. maybe he did just pull it out of his ass or something but the fact that it will not take 3 months but 3 years (by this point a pretty optimistic view) is pretty much proof that he doesn't know what the fuck he is doing and that the whole project is in dire need of some project planning

also getting the team together and finding out what the fuck they are even doing isn't delaying the game. progress came to a crawl anyway, the tracker has been stuck at 82% for months so if they take 2 days to make a real estimation of how much longer the tech update is going to take might slow down development from barely progressing to not progressing at all for 2 days but then he could at least be honest with his patreons so i think it would be worth it