Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.5258] [Kompas Productions]

[j4yj4m]

With DC talking about a new, "general direction", I think this update really has become a total overhaul. I mean, they would have to touch up the old art/scenes anyway to fit the new aspect ratio; while they're at it, why not just redo it so it's consistent with everything else?

As far as I recall, DC suggested in the beginning, that these very old animations/scenes scenes would stay in 4:3, as they didn't want to invest time into content which ultimately would have been changed again, anyway.
By now I'd agree that all of the sprites should be new - everything else would be strange. Next to that one would hope that DC did use some of his time in these last 18 months to actually rework old scenes and stuff.

 

[FrayTomás]

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That character is Jenny? Why change the characters in that way? :/

 

[Username7]

Interesting well this puts a few things into prospective. Namely this decision had to have been made internally around the start of the year give or take a few weeks, that's about when the coding task stalled out when throughout the fall, and early winter they had been getting done at a relatively steady rate, there were points in October and November where Stray was clearing two to three coding task a week mind you. It was also around that time when Stray started seemingly working on random things as opposed to the in progress coding task which in hindsight was setting up for this new update and release model.

 

[j4yj4m]

not a surprise that suddenly DC is "about" to release an update. he probably knows the danger of SS being declared abandoned.

Does that really make sense? People are talking about it over here for months and he simply could have released a small easter update with a few scenes (including the Android 14+ implementation as a hook) to avoid the tag and to avoid looking this bad.

It's kinda baffling that some people think of DC as some money laundering master scammer who manages to deceive tens of thousands of patrons for years and who is colluding with F95, yet at the same time he is supposed to be too stupid to count till 18? At least in my mind that's such a strange way of thinking.

 

[Black Orchid]

for anyone curious the tech update poll was conducted on december 3rd 2020 and the first pre-tech update released on the 30th of june 2021, so the tech update has been in works for over 3 years

 

[Shadesishere]

Does that really make sense? People are talking about it over here for months and he simply could have released a small easter update with a few scenes (including the Android 64/14 implementation as a hook) to avoid the tag and to avoid looking this bad.

It's kinda baffling that some people think of DC as some money laundering master scammer who manages to deceive tens of thouthands of patrons for years and who is colluding with F95, yet at the same time he is supposed to be too stupid to count till 18? At least in my mind that's such a strange way of thinking.

I do not think DC is a "money laundering master scammer", I do however believe that he (and/or his team) got lazy and complacent due to not having any real consequences of not working properly on the game, while still making a substantial amount of money. And that having that threatened has brought about a "oh shit, we need to do something!" moment, thus leading to what appears to be an update that is going to be barebones of what they have worked on in the last 3 years while they actually get back up to a good pace.

dunno where the "colluding with F95" bit came from, but it wasn't me.

 

[darkolo]

lets think for a moment, DCs business model is patreon. Would people start canceling their patreons for Summertime Saga at masses just because F95 put abandoned tag? When they can see he works on the game every day on his streams, and put news on his discord etc. I really dont think so.

 

[j4yj4m]

I do not think DC is a "money laundering master scammer", I do however believe that he (and/or his team) got lazy and complacent due to not having any real consequences of not working properly on the game, while still making a substantial amount of money. And that having that threatened has brought about a "oh shit, we need to do something!" moment, thus leading to what appears to be an update that is going to be barebones of what they have worked on in the last 3 years while they actually get back up to a good pace.

dunno where the "colluding with F95" bit came from, but it wasn't me.

I just summarzied a few positions over here. Sorry if it sounded like I'd be saying that about you.

Then again, I'm not sure I'd share your opinion to this degree. The tag on F95 is just so easily avoidable, that it's not really a threat to anyone who actually cares about it. All he had to do was to release another scene pre-tech-update within the last months and he'd have another year to go without worries.

 

[Erectosaurus]

Kind of funny if you compare devs like DC to the one dude who is making Manor Lords. Some Slav in his basement managed to create a whole ass game while DC and his team of the world's most incompetent coders fumble around for two years.

 

[mestrexota]

lets think for a moment

This is asking too much, bro.

As I said before, people just want to externalize their frustration. The most we can do as community – which isn't much – is to make people aware that the development of this game is almost stalled and doesn't deserve the amount of funding. The tag is a crucial part to push this muffled message forward.

 

[Xupuzulla]

lets think for a moment, DCs business model is patreon. Would people start canceling their patreons for Summertime Saga at masses just because F95 put abandoned tag? When they can see he works on the game every day on his streams, and put news on his discord etc. I really dont think so.

The defenders actually admit now that the patreons are angry,are fuming about the lack of progress.
The gravy train is crumbling and this is DC hail mary.

 

[DaedusWolfe]

Interesting well this puts a few things into prospective. Namely this decision had to have been made internally around the start of the year give or take a few weeks, that's about when the coding task stalled out when throughout the fall, and early winter they had been getting done at a relatively steady rate, there were points in October and November where Stray was clearing two to three coding task a week mind you. It was also around that time when Stray started seemingly working on random things as opposed to the in progress coding task which in hindsight was setting up for this new update and release model.

The decision may have been made at the beginning of the year but that wasn't when coding stalled. Coding stalled back in September of last year. Coding has been stuck at 69% since at least last october (there is a pic of the progress, from then, somewhere back in the morass that is this thread). My question is, why has the coding stalled? Because only patreon subs can see the progress reports we do not have a clear idea of what has been going on. Being a coder myself I do not see a reason why the coding stopped. If they made a decision to roll out the updates in small bits you'd think they would have started that back when the coding came to a halt in order to start debugging.

 

[exirock]

For what i understand first update will be tiny, he will be releasing the game by the same size update every 2-3 months, i mean people waiting years for it to be released like this and the excuse its for testing for bugs.

 

[McSlut]

holy shit so the first partial update is really only going to be jenny and debbie. dude he's going to drag this out for a year, maybe multiple years. it's getting to a point where developing the tech update will take as long as it took developing the entire game before the tech update.

also as others have mentioned this comes at the most suspicious time you can imagine. if his patreons and his discord fans are really okay with this i'll bow my had to him. that's some next level milking.

 

[DaedusWolfe]

This is asking too much, bro.

As I said before, people just want to externalize their frustration. The most we can do as community – which isn't much – is to make people aware that the development of this game is almost stalled and doesn't deserve the amount of funding. The tag is a crucial part to push this muffled message forward.

Not likely to happen. The moderators are apparently rejecting reports saying the thread needs an Abandoned tag

 

[Xupuzulla]

also as others have mentioned this comes at the most suspicious time you can imagine. if his patreons and his discord fans are really okay with this i'll bow my had to him. that's some next level milking.

DC is throwing crumbs at them and they going to celebrate like is a feast.

 

[j4yj4m]

if his patreons and his discord fans are really okay with this i'll bow my had to him.

Honestly, I'd be surprised if it would be otherwiese. Those fans who gave money because they want to see focussed releases have stopped paying years ago - that's one reason why you'll see so many ex-patrons over here.

Quite on the contrary, the fact that there'll be updates again - let alone possibly regular ones - will probably lead to an noticable uptick in earnings.

 

[Shadesishere]

Not likely to happen. The moderators are apparently rejecting reports saying the thread needs an Abandoned tag

Which... is actually... understandable.
(yes, this is where I look at things from the other side)
From the moderators perspective, DC is still in-communication (patreon posts, streams), an update is "on the way" and this is a highly charged thread, for one of the biggest games on the site.
it could be they are taking a "wait a little longer and see what happens" approach, or they really don't want to list one of the biggest games with the abandoned tag.

I've been lurking on DC's discord for a little bit, and even on there, there is a growing amount of... let's say discontent even from those that are subscribers, especially with this latest announcement.

 

[vks017]

Which... is actually... understandable.
(yes, this is where I look at things from the other side)
From the moderators perspective, DC is still in-communication (patreon posts, streams), an update is "on the way" and this is a highly charged thread, for one of the biggest games on the site.
it could be they are taking a "wait a little longer and see what happens" approach, or they really don't want to list one of the biggest games with the abandoned tag.

I've been lurking on DC's discord for a little bit, and even on there, there is a growing amount of... let's say discontent even from those that are subscribers, especially with this latest announcement.

Yeah I can understand this from their side. At least it seems the threat of the tag has had the desired effect. Anything to shake this game out of the what seemed permanent hibernation is good.

 

[McSlut]

DC is throwing crumbs at them and they going to celebrate like is a feast.

i just checked the discord and there is a small uprising but the mods and some of the high tier patreons are fast to call everyone who thinks this is ridiculous whiners

btw where the fuck is the abandoned tag???