Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.5258] [Kompas Productions]

[Brololol]

ahahahahahahahaha! I honestly don't know why i keep logging on this site from time to time. Like seeing those games in watchlist for 8+ years and they keep getting abandoned. I don't even try even new shit anymore cause it will get abandoned after 3-5 updates. hgames began it life in japan and it's sad that only japan continues to release "full" games. On other hand, at least those 2-3 hour short games are complete as they are and are not blueballing you with promisses of future content that will never come. Like some of games out here are still in development, meanwhile we changed 2 console generations. Those devs are not Rockstar and their game is definetly not GTA6 to justify such a long "development time". But if they just release the game, who will continue to pay them thousands on patreon?

 

[Count Morado]

Because he’s affirming the consequent, or confusing necessity and sufficiency; a formal fallacy.

Id est: If DarkCookie didn’t care about the abandoned tag on F95, he wouldn’t release an update before the abandoned tag is applied.

DarkCookie didn’t release an update before the abandoned tag was applied, therefore he doesn’t care about the abandoned tag on F95.

Dude, thanks for attempting to simplify my response to others' arguments... however you are doing so incorrectly.

The ones who are making the argument that simply because DC put out a statement at the end of the month (which he has been making reports at the end of the month for the past year) that they will eventually release a partial tech update in one month - in DC's words "hopefully" and then further chunks about every month after - proves he is concerned about this thread and the abandoned flag. And that his account logged in earlier in the day of the flag proves it in their mind.

My response to their argument is that: his account logs in regularly, therefore his logging in proves nothing. His announcing something in his regular monthly report to saying that something should be coming in the next month and bi-monthly thereafter isn't proof either. It doesn't change that the flag is applied, therefore does not prove he is concerned. Coincidence is also not causation. Finally, yes, if he was actually concerned, he would have taken a few hours out of the past 18 months and created another pretech update, even if it was nothing more than a few dozen lines of code and 2 animations from dildorog (as he has already done in the past pretechs). Making an announcement with no update changes nothing about the flag.

If you have problems with my responses - make sure to frame them properly and include the fact they are in direct response to the argument being presented. Otherwise, you are making fallacious statements, yourself, simply in an attempt to look superior and above the fray, and failing at both. I am not making a converse error.

 

[Corbous1]

bro this game is a fucking renpy game! how hard can it be?

I deleted my original post after going back and reading some pages. I didn't want to feed negativity. This is a really good erotic game... perhaps one of the best considering art style and all that. But it's been a year and a half without an update and the people here called it abandoned. It's important to note it's NOT "formally abandoned" (the creator said fuck it and moved on or disappeared). This was a decision someone here made after a year and a half without an update.

I don't work in games and I'm no where near the artist DC is. I've watched a couple of his streams and he seems like a good guy. But a year and a half without an update is pretty crazy. I expect that kind of delay in the triple A gaming world where there's dozens of teams, artists, and management for these big ass franchises. I don't expect that in indie development (if this game is even considered an indie game. I'm not sure what qualifies for that). I'm sure people who are a part of his patreon know more about what's going on than I do though.

If I can make a poor analogy, I remember when people here got pissed at SR7 for the lack of content on "leash" update for Something Unlimited. So it's pretty clear people saw that abandoned tag and thought there was a formal declaration from DC he was done (which he isn't). So naturally given this is one of the most high profile ero games it brought us all out of the woodwork.

 

[Keros]

Within a week.
v0.20.17
Blessed be the bug fixes.

 

[dkatryl]

Within a week.
v0.20.17
Blessed be the bug fixes.

If that truly happens, then I guess we can wait for the creative writing exercises that will come to explain how the timing of that and the abandoned tag arent related, and also the abandoned tag on some random site like F95 still doesnt matter.

My $.02 on the matter, I'd actually be more disappointed if DC did that just to remove the tag.

He's gone this long with no real update. Might as well just wait until it's really done instead of smoke and mirrors.

 

[ladeverde]

stopped following this game 2 years ago and just logged in to call "based" on whoever tagged this as Abandoned, especially if it lights a fire under the dev's ass. I still don't think it will. they've got a great operation going with the paypiggies.

 

[BySorax231]

Says the dude trolling a porn site and game about familial sex

Can you enlighten me where am I trolling or something? Damn some people are too weird and strange or maybe just stupid overall.

 

[fapmeister]

Oh hey didn't check in on this for a while. I knew it wouldn't have the update, but it's nice to see it's finally tagged appropriately in the title.

 

[naoligopraisso]

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Judith is in hell

 

[vks017]

If this thread had any impact, why wait until the last moment? That's the problem with the argument you are putting forth.

Why wait until the last day, if it mattered?
If it mattered - DC could have actually DROPPED an update on the last day. Or one month ago, or 6 months ago, or a year ago. If this thread mattered - a few dozen lines of code in the current game with 2 new dildorog animations. Boom. Abandoned flag put off for another 18 months. But it didn't happen.

If this thread is so impactful to DC and for his work - then there would have already been an update drop of some sort. But there wasn't. That's the faulty aspect of your argument. And yet, you (and others) put out the same repetitive argument when faced with the fact that with almost no work, DC could have easily avoided the F95 flag with almost no work involved on his part... but didn't do it.

My thinking is not rigid. Stop lookin in the mirror.

I have not moved goalposts. However, again, look in the mirror. Yours have moved time and again.

This is the last response I will give to this.

You can disbelieve me if you want. Before DC dropped his news I was actually going in line with your thinking. I accepted that you are deeply invested in this game and your assumptions actually made a lot of sense.

So I was expecting nothing to change.

But then just in line with the deadline from this site something did change for the first time in ages.
Now it seems you had a position and you are doing mental gymnastics to justify not adapting to the new reality that has happened. Your solid assumptions turned out to be not the actual facts in this case, this was shown by the close timing of the news.

Everything you have said as an explanation just does not fit the facts that DC has changed course. Yes he could have changed course in a more drastic fashion and sooner. But he has changed course and for all non biased people it seems to have been done with the pressure from the abandoned tag in mind. This might have just been a case of the pressure finally building to that point and this was only a small factor. But it was a factor.

Anyway there's no trolling here. I see you have helped many people here. I just don't accept your latest arguments that still no effect has been made from this website on DC.

Have a good day.

 

[vks017]

Some of you are emotionally invested in this disappointment it seems.

Me I am expecting the partial tech releases, no more no less. If eventually we get more it will be a nice bonus. The odds of us getting more have just gone up just because the dev is now doing something other than wallpapers, limited time streams with no end in site. At the end of the day there are now better 2D games on the market.

I just would like some closure for the main characters at least, if that finally happens one day it will be good. If it does not I will not loose any sleep over it.

 

[zoku]

Yes but do people know that this tech update has stayed in 80% for a year now

Tech is nearly two years now, the game was dead when he knew that people are waiting for Debbie and he started fucking trump in his updates and milking people.

 

[Count Morado]

Let's say the tech update comes out and it has new material too. Which he has stated there will not be new material. What are you going to do if he goes another 18 months?

This thread the past few days:


DC will always do what he do, how he wants, when he wants. And he's successful at what he do.

Should he actually release something within the month, he can most likely expect to see his Patreon numbers bump up even more than what he has regained over the past year. The release will only be "the main 'home' stories (Jenny and Debbie), 1st day at school and minor locations." The abandoned flag will most likely be cleared.

All that even as we can expect a bunch of people here in this thread bitching that there's no new content, and it's not even the entire game - in fact, a small portion of what they can already play in the current version. We'll have a new round of calls for the abandoned flag because they will see what he does release as a fail and doesn't deserve the flag removed. And the cycle starts all over again.

 

[Zazz]

This thread the past few days:
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DC will always do what he do, how he wants, when he wants. And he's successful at what he do.

Should he actually release something within the month, he can most likely expect to see his Patreon numbers bump up even more than what he has regained over the past year. The release will only be "the main 'home' stories (Jenny and Debbie), 1st day at school and minor locations." The abandoned flag will most likely be cleared.

All that even as we can expect a bunch of people here in this thread bitching that there's no new content, and it's not even the entire game - in fact, a small portion of what they can already play in the current version. We'll have a new round of calls for the abandoned flag because they will see what he does release as a fail and doesn't deserve the flag removed. And the cycle starts all over again.

Sperg

 

[thanosdestroysall]

Finally, yes, if he was actually concerned, he would have taken a few hours out of the past 18 months and created another pretech update

Appreciate the more succinct response. Makes reading your posts less cumbersome.

There are many possible reasons no update was released before the tag was applied. You are making an error. Your conclusion is that he does not care about the tag because no update has been released before the tag was applied is weak and fails to consider other antecedents. I am not making the claim he cares about it. I am rejecting your claim that he does not. Your premises are weak, and your claim remains unconvincing. As this is fuzzy rather than Boolean logic, he may feel both caring and uncaring towards the tag.

Regardless, speculations about his feelings about the abandoned tag, whatever they may be, are nugatory. It does not change anything.

 

[Count Morado]

Appreciate the more succinct response. Makes reading your posts less cumbersome.

There are many possible reasons no update was released before the tag was applied. You are making an error. Your conclusion is that he does not care about the tag because no update has been released before the tag was applied is weak and fails to consider other antecedents. I am not making the claim he cares about it. I am rejecting your claim that he does not. Your premises are weak, and your claim remains unconvincing. As this is fuzzy rather than Boolean logic, he may feel both caring and uncaring towards the tag.

Regardless, speculations about his feelings about the abandoned tag, whatever they may be, are nugatory. It does not change anything.

I understand your point.

You seem to miss the point.

I am not the one making the original argument.

The original argument is "If DC doesn't care about F95, why did he make a post on the same day that the game would be flagged as abandoned to say they were going to release it in chunks."

That is the argument that was being made. My counter to their argument was the reverse because since they are the one making the claim - it is up to them to supply the proof. Also, I showed that some of their claims were also false/incorrect in their understanding about DC's attendance on F95. Etc and so forth. Hence my response as such. They have not shown any proof to the matter. Since my claim is the reverse, or the negative - it is not able to be proven (or very very difficult to prove). But that is not the point. The point of the matter is that they are making the claim using the exact affirming the consequent that you are attempting to label me with as an ad hominem. If you feel you need to apply debate standards to this thread - at least be objective and consider the complete argument within context, rather than throwing your high school forensic team knowledge around to attempt to show superiority.

Being sesquipedalian does not make you correct, nor brilliant, but obtuse and obnoxious.

If you would like to further this conversation, please feel free to DM me or use an off-topic. I too can quote rules and regulations and standards of rhetoric. One is that game threads are to be about discussing the game, however you seem to want to discuss how I argue rather than the argument context itself. That would be off-topic for this thread.

Thanks.

Sperg

While I do not have Asperger's Syndrome, you should be ashamed for using someone's mental diagnosis as a pejorative to describe someone else. Use better words and be direct - also in a DM or off-topic thread.

 

[jefi2000]

Dude, thanks for attempting to simplify my response to others' arguments... however you are doing so incorrectly.

The ones who are making the argument that simply because DC put out a statement at the end of the month (which he has been making reports at the end of the month for the past year) that they will eventually release a partial tech update in one month - in DC's words "hopefully" and then further chunks about every month after - proves he is concerned about this thread and the abandoned flag. And that his account logged in earlier in the day of the flag proves it in their mind.

My response to their argument is that: his account logs in regularly, therefore his logging in proves nothing. His announcing something in his regular monthly report to saying that something should be coming in the next month and bi-monthly thereafter isn't proof either. It doesn't change that the flag is applied, therefore does not prove he is concerned. Coincidence is also not causation. Finally, yes, if he was actually concerned, he would have taken a few hours out of the past 18 months and created another pretech update, even if it was nothing more than a few dozen lines of code and 2 animations from dildorog (as he has already done in the past pretechs). Making an announcement with no update changes nothing about the flag.

If you have problems with my responses - make sure to frame them properly and include the fact they are in direct response to the argument being presented. Otherwise, you are making fallacious statements, yourself, simply in an attempt to look superior and above the fray, and failing at both. I am not making a converse error.

Don't you think if there was suddenly, after almost 18 months, hell even after 12 months, he dropped another pre-tech update that more people would start to call bullshit on this?

Face it, Abandoned tag got applied, usual end of month update happened and for the first time in a year and a half it contains info regarding starting QA testing and outlining a path to release which is coincidentally totally vague with the planned time frame but suddenly out of the blue mentions segmenting out the update (in order to keep stringing people along indefinitely).

If DC isn't paying you to keep this up he certainly should be.

 

[Count Morado]

Don't you think if there was suddenly, after almost 18 months, hell even after 12 months, he dropped another pre-tech update that more people would start to call bullshit on this?

Face it, Abandoned tag got applied, usual end of month update happened and for the first time in a year and a half it contains info regarding starting QA testing and outlining a path to release which is coincidentally totally vague with the planned time frame but suddenly out of the blue mentions segmenting out the update (in order to keep stringing people along indefinitely).

If DC isn't paying you to keep this up he certainly should be.

The sun does not rise because the cock demands it to rise, no matter what the cock thinks.

If he had dropped an updated on 30 April 2024, I would have great doubts about my statement that DC doesn't care about this thread. He did not drop an update. After 1 year of monthly reports (a nice, round and interestingly finite number) DC announced they would release what they have already completed - but had not shared with anyone - in small chunks, starting (DC states he hopes) before the end of the month of May. It did not alter the flag being applied. The flag which fucking doesn't matter except for on this site. But, like the sun rising each day and the cock crowing - one thinks it has influence on the other, when it has nothing to do except for alignment of each's own cycles.

EDIT: Also, if you think DC was paying me - wouldn't it be better for him to tell you that you all matter to him... not that you all don't amount to a hill of beans in his world? That logic always made no sense to me - the idea that I'm on DC's payroll (you're not the first to accuse or imply) while I say shit about DC's project management style and more and then tell everyone here he doesn't give a shit about F95's thread. That makes no sense and is illogical.

 

[j4yj4m]

Don't you think if there was suddenly, after almost 18 months, hell even after 12 months, he dropped another pre-tech update that more people would start to call bullshit on this?

If I had been DC and if I had cared about the tag, I'd have released a small easter/holiday update which would also officially have included the Android 14 support. An urgent technical reason + some new content and few would have said anything. Marketing something like this, so that many people will agree it's something positive, really isn't hard.

It's actually bad in general, that he stopped doing these halloween, christmas, etc. updates, as they were quite popular, as far as I see it.

 

[nocexd321]

I learned of the entire forum on /aco/ when the place was actually tolerable

Funnily enough /aco/ is the only board I'd consider on an upward trajectory right now, some autismo there took it upon himself to claim back a bunch of generals and recurrent threads from the futaspam. Meanwhile /h/ users forgot that /d/ is a thing and /gif/ OPs actively try to avoid filters just to be assholes. Remember SPNATI? Accel drawing World Cup girls?