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jokuur

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PayneToTheMax

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The issue with this is they (+the resident shills) were saying that only the coding was the real bottleneck these past few years. We were assured that DC was using the time to get ahead of the art tasks and the release cadence would be faster once the tech update was done.
Now we can see the reality that actually this project is just being drip fed to us to keep that patron train going.
Just yesterday I also said that some hardcore autism is making them rewrite Debbie's story. So there's that, too.
 

MisterMeh

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The issue with this is they (+the resident shills) were saying that only the coding was the real bottleneck these past few years. We were assured that DC was using the time to get ahead of the art tasks and the release cadence would be faster once the tech update was done.
Now we can see the reality that actually this project is just being drip fed to us to keep that patron train going.
How can the art be done when the story was changed, and new dialogue and scenes were added at a later time?
 

harem.king

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Patreon takes their small cut, taxes paid out to the government and then he has to pay his coder, his writer, his posing team, then pay his animator or animators, plus the occasional hire when he has someone do colors after doing the linework.

My estimation of his annual income after everything is said and done is about 150-180k. It's still quite a lot, but not the numbers some people are guessing.
everyone that works for a living losses some cut to the govt.
so I don't know why you are excluding it.
 
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Magister Masquerade

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The fuck is that lmfao, it looks like something your therapist would give you and then ask you "What do you see in this image?"
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Trust me, the entire internet has clowned them for it and continues to do so but they seemingly don't care and have held to it for years. There's a reason a lot of creators use their old logos still even though it's technically against the ToS lol.
 

vks017

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How can the art be done when the story was changed, and new dialogue and scenes were added at a later time?
We were told that DC was drawing art assets for future updates whilst the coding was holding up the tech update. We were also told that the coding foundations being fixed woud speed up updates. It was a way to sell the delay more.
I don't believe either fyi, at least in terms of delivering us faster updates going forward.
 

j4yj4m

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We were told that DC was drawing art assets for future updates whilst the coding was holding up the tech update. We were also told that the coding foundations being fixed woud speed up updates. It was a way to sell the delay more.
I don't believe either fyi, at least in terms of delivering us faster updates going forward.
Well, DC did create assets for future updates. Just look up the archive to see how many streams he did for Ronda alone, for example.

I don't think anbody claimed that Debbie would get a rework within the tech update, so it's pretty clear that nothing was prepared beforehand.

In realitly scenes seem to take the most time and the art will be the limiting factor going forward. It's been that way for years and it'll be that way again sooner or later.

Tech tech update may save some assets for posing and may shorten the time it takes to wrap things up/bugtest, but there was never a chance that it could speed up things significantly.
 

Radon671

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Just so you all know... 32k paying members... the guy is making 60k a month easily.
I definetly chose the wrong profession... scam ppl on the internet is way more profitable.
He is just the first who got the hype train for western H-game. No one (even way more talented person) can't get on his place because we are now in wrong time at wrong place.
 
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MisterMeh

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Have to remember that Debbie wasn't even in the original plan for the outlined updates, and was shoe horned in at the last minute. That's going to create a lot of turmoil for everything, seeing as the art, story and posing would all need to be done for it.

And j4yj4m is correct in the fact that a lot of assets were created before hand. Not just for Ronda, but her home, Missy's, The arcade, the stadium. the lighthouse, the bar and the museum. Plus the janitor, the museum woman and the computer lab teacher, a rework of the school halls, the background characters upgraded at the school in the halls and the change room, the mall, as well as the cafeteria/bar woman.


Again, no one is going to say that things are going smoothly, or quickly but as I've said as well as others countless times, don't support if you don't like the direction it's gone, but understand you have no control over it.

everyone that works for a living losses some cut to the govt.
so I don't know why you are excluding it.
I'm not sure what you're saying here. Excluding what exactly?
 

vks017

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Well, DC did create assets for future updates. Just look up the archive to see how many streams he did for Ronda alone, for example.

I don't think anbody claimed that Debbie would get a rework within the tech update, so it's pretty clear that nothing was prepared beforehand.

In realitly scenes seem to take the most time and the art will be the limiting factor going forward. It's been that way for years and it'll be that way again sooner or later.

Tech tech update may save some assets for posing and may shorten the time it takes to wrap things up/bugtest, but there was never a chance that it could speed up things significantly.
I agree that it was never going to speed things up significantly.
The only way that was going to happen was if he actually worked full time during the tech update development. It looks more and more that not much was done outside of those streams.
Some one claimed that even the base code has not changed much compared to pre-tech. That would be interesting if verified.
 
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j4yj4m

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The only way that was going to happen was if he actually worked full time during the tech update development. It looks more and more that not much was done outside of those streams.
To be fair, many people who complained about the assets don't seem to know not much about the game itself or are too lazy to really compare themselves. Back when the tech update was released, a ton of people claimed that basically nothing was new when in reality the difference was really substancial in some areas. So people who claim that nothing was done outside of these streams either don't really know better or don't care to check themselves.

Then again, it's hard to judge when the difference is somewhat small. The same is likely true for the codebase too, after all, it's still a renpy game.
 

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The issue with this is they (+the resident shills) were saying that only the coding was the real bottleneck these past few years. We were assured that DC was using the time to get ahead of the art tasks and the release cadence would be faster once the tech update was done.
Now we can see the reality that actually this project is just being drip fed to us to keep that patron train going.
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The issue with this is they (+the resident shills) were saying that only the coding was the real bottleneck these past few years. We were assured that DC was using the time to get ahead of the art tasks and the release cadence would be faster once the tech update was done.
Now we can see the reality that actually this project is just being drip fed to us to keep that patron train going.
DarkCookie kinda reveals the problem with supporting porn games or the Patreon and EA video games in general: the dumbness of slacker mindset overrides the logic of it. He's making so much money but could be making twice that by only doing a mimninal amount of work by dripping out multiple endings over like four years, like ten hours of work a month for a year, instead of pulling this scam in fear of letting the gravy train stopping because 'the game is completed'.
 

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The new patch adds impregnation with the sister and had infinite kids obviously you can have only 1 and it's just a number of how many kids you made.
My recomendation: It's just a rebuilt all the game goes back and the content is null. (With the mod and all it's just the same change "not final")
 
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DebbieLover69

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Back when DC announced they planned to rework Debbie's content over the course of two by monthly updates, I knew immediately things weren't going to go to plan. Especially as he said they were also going to add an extra 20% of new content on top of what was already there. Four months was never going to be enough for this.

Diane's update took four months and had only seven lewd scenes, only one of which was actual sex. This was the first character rework using the new art style and body rigging/posing system which DC had claimed would help speed up development allowing him to create more lewd content, of a higher quality, at a faster rate. This was one of the reasons why the update was so poorly received.

This is so often the problem with DC and why people have grown to despise him, he constantly promises more, then delivers less. In addition many of these promises are vague enough to allow him wiggle room when he again under delivers. Take the latest update as a perfect example, when DC announced Debbie's rework he claimed it would be delivered in two parts - he just never said one of those parts would contain almost nothing. He then claims he only needed four more days and there would have been more content. Whilst I have no evidence, I don't believe this. He could have easily put up a poll (he does for everything else afterall) asking whether people wanted to wait four more days. He could even release a small patch (call it a hotfix) a week later with the content, but he won't. Now it turns out the whole thing is likely going to take longer than first promised.

Going by how fast (or how slow) DC works, it seems like it would take him at least 8 months to rework all Debbie's existing content to a higher quality and add and extra 20% on top. But hey, I hope I'm wrong. Although personally I'd be happy for him to pump out Debbie content for the next 8 years, Debbie, Diane, and Jenny are literally the only thing I like about Summertime Saga. Once they're finished with, I'm out. And therein lies another problem, the scope of this game is so big now that it's become a horse designed by committee, or rather a horse designed to appeal to a committee. In an effort to rope in people (or more accurately, patrons) from every race, sexual orientation, and fetish DC has created a litany of characters, most of which have little to no content. I'm personally disappointed with how little content Debbie, Jenny, and especially Diane have amassed over the last EIGHT years, but I can't even imagine what it must feel like to be a Judith enjoyer. By the time she gets any meaningful content, you guy's dicks (and brains, and hearts) will have stopped functioning.

Anyway, after all that I hope DC reworks Diane next lol. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
 

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Back when DC announced they planned to rework Debbie's content over the course of two by monthly updates, I knew immediately things weren't going to go to plan. Especially as he said they were also going to add an extra 20% of new content on top of what was already there. Four months was never going to be enough for this.

Diane's update took four months and had only seven lewd scenes, only one of which was actual sex. This was the first character rework using the new art style and body rigging/posing system which DC had claimed would help speed up development allowing him to create more lewd content, of a higher quality, at a faster rate. This was one of the reasons why the update was so poorly received.

This is so often the problem with DC and why people have grown to despise him, he constantly promises more, then delivers less. In addition many of these promises are vague enough to allow him wiggle room when he again under delivers. Take the latest update as a perfect example, when DC announced Debbie's rework he claimed it would be delivered in two parts - he just never said one of those parts would contain almost nothing. He then claims he only needed four more days and there would have been more content. Whilst I have no evidence, I don't believe this. He could have easily put up a poll (he does for everything else afterall) asking whether people wanted to wait four more days. He could even release a small patch (call it a hotfix) a week later with the content, but he won't. Now it turns out the whole thing is likely going to take longer than first promised.

Going by how fast (or how slow) DC works, it seems like it would take him at least 8 months to rework all Debbie's existing content to a higher quality and add and extra 20% on top. But hey, I hope I'm wrong. Although personally I'd be happy for him to pump out Debbie content for the next 8 years, Debbie, Diane, and Jenny are literally the only thing I like about Summertime Saga. Once they're finished with, I'm out. And therein lies another problem, the scope of this game is so big now that it's become a horse designed by committee, or rather a horse designed to appeal to a committee. In an effort to rope in people (or more accurately, patrons) from every race, sexual orientation, and fetish DC has created a litany of characters, most of which have little to no content. I'm personally disappointed with how little content Debbie, Jenny, and especially Diane have amassed over the last EIGHT years, but I can't even imagine what it must feel like to be a Judith enjoyer. By the time she gets any meaningful content, you guy's dicks (and brains, and hearts) will have stopped functioning.

Anyway, after all that I hope DC reworks Diane next lol. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
lol debbie lover is a hilarious name.. anyways ye its just sad the trajectory this game is going. It looks pretty bleak...
 
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