Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.5595] [Kompas Productions]

[srksrk 68]

Like you said the bottleneck is a hold up, the other team members have to wait until the art is completely finished only after that they can complete there tasks.
So in other words, the coder have to wait until the art is done.
He had several coders already panda, the croatian dude, some others & now strayerror none of them could complete there work before DC delivered.
Thats not because there slow at programming but because they have to wait until 100% of all art assets are done.
His crew is dependent on the artist's work (It is not for nothing that there are priorities)

Do you know how, for example, a Disney movie is made? I guess not. In the earlier stages, no art is available or finished at all, only concept art (pencil drawn b&w still images). Nonetheless they already have a script and first scene arrangements, even dialogs are done as prototypes. They have something to work on and to present to stakeholders without even one single image ready.

The very same can be done without any problem in a renpy game. You only need to have placeholders as images (ideally with the same name already that the completed image will get) and you are all done. No coder, poser or writer has to wait on any image. Absolutely no bottleneck here.

What is more: as I said, art is already finished. One hundred percent. Done. Finito. So please explain again why this should hinder progress in any way...

 

[j4yj4m]

I think you are talking past each other. Art is what determins the overall speed and as long as DC won't hire another artist, he could hire as many coders and posers as he wants and the overall speed wouldn't really change. If he needs 12 months to draw the main story art, thats about as long as the updates will take. To me that's a bottleneck, if other people prefer others words for it, so be it.

 

[srksrk 68]

after i put patch in game folder it just wont work nothing changed i mean, same thing happens on mobile

Interesting question would be what patch you are talking about.

 

[srksrk 68]

Hello folks,

just stopping by to bring you a nice update of the

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while waiting for the real one Version 3.04 let's you have more pregnant sex, this time with Josephine.

Version 0.20.1-3.04:

• Bang Josephine when pregnant! Complete with sloppy seconds.
• Fixed the Tony introduction scene at pizzeria when it triggered late at night due to some strange circumstances (normally not possible).
• Small fixes to the game menu.

Have fun!

 

[Dkznikolaj]

So, i have this very odd bug... I started the game today (patch 20.1), and every time i close the game and then load up a save, the school quests have all been reset.

If i go from one save to another, it doesn't do it. But if i reopen the entire program, it completely deletes it all, and i have to do all the french, music, science and things over again.

I haven't modded the game, and I redownloaded.

 

[PePeTheCoCk]

Art is what determins the overall speed and as long as DC won't hire another artist, he could hire as many coders and posers as he wants and the overall speed wouldn't really change. If he needs 12 months to draw the main story art, thats about as long as the updates will take. To me that's a bottleneck, if other people prefer others words for it, so be it.

Nailed it!

 

[srksrk 68]

I think you are talking past each other. Art is what determins the overall speed and as long as DC won't hire another artist, he could hire as many coders and posers as he wants and the overall speed wouldn't really change. If he needs 12 months to draw the main story art, thats about as long as the updates will take. To me that's a bottleneck, if other people prefer others words for it, so be it.

Yeah and how come that art is 100% finished and he already draws art for the next update? No 12 months that I see...

 

[srksrk 68]

So, i have this very odd bug... I started the game today (patch 20.1), and every time i close the game and then load up a save, the school quests have all been reset.

If i go from one save to another, it doesn't do it. But if i reopen the entire program, it completely deletes it all, and i have to do all the french, music, science and things over again.

I haven't modded the game, and I redownloaded.

Close the game and delete the two files:

• %appdata%\RenPy\SummertimeSaga\persistent
• <Summertime Saga>\game\saves\persistent

Start again and see if that helps. I would advise to also start a new game and not load an existing save.

 

[Oriandu]

I think you are talking past each other. Art is what determins the overall speed and as long as DC won't hire another artist, he could hire as many coders and posers as he wants and the overall speed wouldn't really change. If he needs 12 months to draw the main story art, thats about as long as the updates will take. To me that's a bottleneck, if other people prefer others words for it, so be it.

You do not know what a bottleneck is. Development time is not a bottleneck. If that was the case then 100% of everything would be a bottleneck. Need to put on shoes? Well you better hope you already have socks on, if you wear them, otherwise your shoes are bottlenecked! Need to have lunch? Better hope your mom made you every lunch you'll ever eat for your entire life to avoid the bottleneck of having lunch. Hell, did you get a feeding tube installed? If not then you're going to experience the bottleneck of actually eating your food. Want to die at the age of 97? Too bad, you have to experience the bottleneck of living for 96 years first! Want to change your clothes? Well you're going to experience the bottleneck of taking your current clothing off to do so. And so on and so forth. The only time a bottleneck exists is when it's a hold up in the process, making the primary content of the game is not a hold up. The only time a bottleneck is actually a bottleneck would be when the various parts of a project are coming together and something holds them up. Which in this situation requires the artwork to be finished since it's the primary content of the game. Something being slow does not make it a bottleneck. Can certain aspects of the art be a bottleneck for the rest of it? Sure, but the art itself cannot bottleneck the rest of the game.

 

[Squark ⚧❤️]

Jesus chalupa! Will you guys just stop trying to prove how you're right and the other guy is wrong?!
I've never seen such pointless arguments with only an intent to gank a thread!
Private messages exist for a reason. Now can we PLEASE get back to talking about that GAME?

You're not talking about the game. You're talking about bottlenecks, development time and how the other guy is wrong.
PLEASE STOP.

 

[VeggieNeptunia]

Just waiting for impregnate Helen and Judith.

 

[j4yj4m]

Yeah and how come that art is 100% finished and he already draws art for the next update? No 12 months that I see...

Because we aren't looking at one single update but at the whole development until it's done or at least at several updates. Right now DC is already drawing art for the next update(s) and right now the size of his teams fits the art. If he'd hire more coders and posers, for example, they'd probably sit on their hands most of the time. I mean, there's a reason why the team is actually smaller now, than it was at times, when he had two coders and 1 to 2 posers. I asked him myself a while ago if he'd consider replacing Dogeek but he said he'd only do if there's a need.

@Oriandu:
I think we talked past eachother massively. The base assumption is simply that DC can always hire more coders and posers but won't get a second artist. That's all we talk about. And by that definition the speed and time until the game is finished (fingers crossed) will be determined by how fast DC creates the art. If he needs another 4 years to draw all the art that's needed to finish, the game will be done in 4 years and a few weeks, no matter whether he expands his team or not.

 

[Omnikuken]

hello everyone, I tried to delete the game and start it from the original, then with the mods, then without, then with the files you sent, then I started and managed to play another ren'py game. ..but nothing ... he does not want to start ... I realized that I had a previous version inside another folder (which worked), I tried to keep that as a base and overwrite the new one on it, maybe there were some fies good, but nothing ... even that crashes.

I'll wait for a new update, maybe with that I won't have problems.

Thanks for all the help

What the actual buttfuck are you even doing ? No wonder the game is trying to commit sudoku everytime you start it up. And no update will fix that amount of trash you left with all the modding and 2-3 versions floating around your PC

 

[Ranma]

What the actual buttfuck are you even doing ? No wonder the game is trying to commit sudoku everytime you start it up. And no update will fix that amount of trash you left with all the modding and 2-3 versions floating around your PC

His game be like:

 

[vitaminRZN]

Tell me, a chemistry teacher needs a controller. Eric says he's in the tree house. I climb in there. And he is not there

 

[IZenithI]

DC made another huge mistake he said on today's stream that they are getting ready to release the update next week. Not even the writting tasks are finished yet and he still has like half of the code tasks to finish.

Well idk about the update coming this week but progress is up to 87%

 

[Badjourasmix]

Well idk about the update coming this week but progress is up to 87%

Bug testing always takes at least a week. It would surprise me a lot if he releases the update this week.

 

[WSmith]

What the actual buttfuck are you even doing ? No wonder the game is trying to commit sudoku everytime you start it up. And no update will fix that amount of trash you left with all the modding and 2-3 versions floating around your PC

Sudoku? : D That's a hilarious typo, or if that is done on purpose it's just genius : D

 

[Squark ⚧❤️]

Sudoku? : D That's a hilarious typo, or if that is done on purpose it's just genius : D

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VeggieNeptunia, out of Helen and Judith; I'm waiting for more Judith.

 

[IZenithI]

Bug testing always takes at least a week. It would surprise me a lot if he releases the update this week.

Yh for sure, bug testing will probably be much shorter than the last update though since the last one reworked the story structure and flow so much breaking routes and other things.