Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.5597] [Kompas Productions]

[DaveHoff]

Back when DC announced they planned to rework Debbie's content over the course of two by monthly updates, I knew immediately things weren't going to go to plan. Especially as he said they were also going to add an extra 20% of new content on top of what was already there. Four months was never going to be enough for this.

Diane's update took four months and had only seven lewd scenes, only one of which was actual sex. This was the first character rework using the new art style and body rigging/posing system which DC had claimed would help speed up development allowing him to create more lewd content, of a higher quality, at a faster rate. This was one of the reasons why the update was so poorly received.

This is so often the problem with DC and why people have grown to despise him, he constantly promises more, then delivers less. In addition many of these promises are vague enough to allow him wiggle room when he again under delivers. Take the latest update as a perfect example, when DC announced Debbie's rework he claimed it would be delivered in two parts - he just never said one of those parts would contain almost nothing. He then claims he only needed four more days and there would have been more content. Whilst I have no evidence, I don't believe this. He could have easily put up a poll (he does for everything else afterall) asking whether people wanted to wait four more days. He could even release a small patch (call it a hotfix) a week later with the content, but he won't. Now it turns out the whole thing is likely going to take longer than first promised.

Going by how fast (or how slow) DC works, it seems like it would take him at least 8 months to rework all Debbie's existing content to a higher quality and add and extra 20% on top. But hey, I hope I'm wrong. Although personally I'd be happy for him to pump out Debbie content for the next 8 years, Debbie, Diane, and Jenny are literally the only thing I like about Summertime Saga. Once they're finished with, I'm out. And therein lies another problem, the scope of this game is so big now that it's become a horse designed by committee, or rather a horse designed to appeal to a committee. In an effort to rope in people (or more accurately, patrons) from every race, sexual orientation, and fetish DC has created a litany of characters, most of which have little to no content. I'm personally disappointed with how little content Debbie, Jenny, and especially Diane have amassed over the last EIGHT years, but I can't even imagine what it must feel like to be a Judith enjoyer. By the time she gets any meaningful content, you guy's dicks (and brains, and hearts) will have stopped functioning.

Anyway, after all that I hope DC reworks Diane next lol. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.

lol debbie lover is a hilarious name.. anyways ye its just sad the trajectory this game is going. It looks pretty bleak...

 

[MisterMeh]

You were estimating the income of the dev of this game.
In the estimation of his income, you were explicitly deducting his taxes.

I'm still unclear as to why that's an issue?

If you know where a person lives, and you have an approximation of their income, then you know the taxation rates based on their projected earnings.

 

[susyluny]

I was not in the loop and updated my apk without reading or realizing they are remaking the whole thing, there's no way to downgrade or undo the update in Android so if someone else's finds him/herself in this situation know what to do:

in your android folder enter to the data folder in the kompas folder (not the full name). there you will find your save folder copy it elsewhere.

delete the app and install 0.20.16 that was the last one before this debucle. if someone needs it i have the apk version that has the incest lines mod integrated

you can copy your save folder back into the new kompas folder in the same location, if this doesn't work to restore your progress create a new playthrough and save first chance then copy your save files inside the new save folder (i also have saves in almost all early choice points up until the Church event in case someone needs them)

 

[rivers77]

Well, DC did create assets for future updates. Just look up the archive to see how many streams he did for Ronda alone, for example.

I don't think anbody claimed that Debbie would get a rework within the tech update, so it's pretty clear that nothing was prepared beforehand.

In realitly scenes seem to take the most time and the art will be the limiting factor going forward. It's been that way for years and it'll be that way again sooner or later.

Tech tech update may save some assets for posing and may shorten the time it takes to wrap things up/bugtest, but there was never a chance that it could speed up things significantly.

If I'm putting on my speculating glasses, I have to believe that choosing to update Debbie now was a strategic decision. I would guess that they probably started to see some real dents in the armor that was the money that was rolling in. I know he likes to say otherwise, but if your income drops 15-20% then it causes a concern. People were probably reaching their wits end and the good will that DC had built up was beginning to wear thin. Again this is just a guess on my part. Even if it wasn't showing in the dollar signs, it was probably showing in the amount of hate he was receiving and probably by even his most ardent followers.

I think DC knew he HAD to do something. Debbie's new code is basically already done in the tech update and won't require the programmer's full attention. Debbie is lacking pregnancy content, her art is a hodgepodge of old and new, she is a fan favorite, and her scenes will only grow as other stories expand. To me, it always made sense to complete Debbie after reworking Jenny and Diane. However, from a business standpoint, I think now was the right time. I would guess that DC feels backed into a corner and people are justifiably mad that the 9 month tech update is now going on 4 years.

 

[Kikatchu]

Lol, just checked up on this for the first time in years. He's still at the tech update

 

[gnub33]

Lol, just checked up on this for the first time in years. He's still at the tech update

It's coming bro trust me.

 

[AmaterasuFA20]

So does this tech update have less content?

 

[Truckstopcowboy]

I'm glad Debbie is getting a reboot, It seemed rushed and ridiculous with some scenes, for instance, lotion time in the basement. She would act all shy and uncomfortable, even If I banged her on the kitchen table that morning, lmao

 

[thrway188]

Hey guys, I'm returning to the game after a few good years. I like the art style change and the QoL improvements. But is it normal that there is even less content now than it used to be? I can't progress with Miss Dewitt for example and I can't even start aunt Dianne's story. Am I missing something or is everything take out for restructuring purposes? I only have Extra Lines incest mod if that affects anything

 

[Fabrice123]

can anyone give us their full gallery for download? Thank you very much for anyone who is willing to share it.

 

[SemenDaemon]

Hey guys, I'm returning to the game after a few good years. I like the art style change and the QoL improvements. But is it normal that there is even less content now than it used to be? I can't progress with Miss Dewitt for example and I can't even start aunt Dianne's story. Am I missing something or is everything take out for restructuring purposes? I only have Extra Lines incest mod if that affects anything

Go ahead and take a few more "good years" before you come back to this game. Like...quite a few.
No you are not missing anything. They're just remaking the game at a snail's pace. If the snail was on fentanyl.

 

[Deleted member 8289749]

Guys I'm stuck with Debbie story. I want to take her panties but it says:
why am i suddenly so captivated by her panties? This is borderline creepy. I should leave.

I was also confused... by most of this... update.

 

[polargreev005]

i dont get it did they try to release demo after giving 90% of the game? people will just upload older versions with more gameplay and scenes at this point, i dunno who would wanna go to support on patreon after move like that...

Apparently it's a "soft reboot" for the Debbie story. I frankly don't get this. The old Debbie route had plenty of stuff that fit well within the narrative. The dev could've just released extra modified scenes or released "alternate situashionships" instead of rewriting them as a whole.

 

[polargreev005]

Go ahead and take a few more "good years" before you come back to this game. Like...quite a few.
No you are not missing anything. They're just remaking the game at a snail's pace. If the snail was on fentanyl.

Tbf, I wouldn't be shocked if F95Zone as a site cease to exist, before SS development is finished or WW3 outbreak happens, before SS development is finished or I completely throw in the bin the incest fetish (I kind of already do), before SS development is finished.

 

[Dang it Bill]

Tbf, I wouldn't be shocked if F95Zone as a site cease to exist, before SS development is finished or WW3 outbreak happens, before SS development is finished or I completely throw in the bin the incest fetish (I kind of already do), before SS development is finished.

I'll be more surprised if what a legend was done first

 

[allygurl222]

Hey guys, I'm returning to the game after a few good years. I like the art style change and the QoL improvements. But is it normal that there is even less content now than it used to be? I can't progress with Miss Dewitt for example and I can't even start aunt Dianne's story. Am I missing something or is everything take out for restructuring purposes? I only have Extra Lines incest mod if that affects anything

It got the abandoned tag and the Milking tag so the dude making the game started taking things out of the game and saying it was an update.

 

[Count Morado]

Here is my saves(include full save)
Don't forget to leave a like

This is not a save file. It is a trap.

This is why people shouldn't download saves from anonymous users in this forum.

but if your income drops 15-20% then it causes a concern

But it hasn't. His paid subscription numbers are the highest they've ever been. He's still hovering at Patreon's top 10 of all creators on hosted on that site, based upon paid subscriptions.

it was probably showing in the amount of hate he was receiving

Maybe, but he doesn't even read the hate - he's been getting it since year one and he knows no matter what he does, there will always be people who hate what he does. Sploosh appears to read the hate, because I think Sploosh enjoys a bit of schadenfreude.

Debbie's new code is basically already done in the tech update and won't require the programmer's full attention.

It is? Every dialogue/narrative rewrite requires coding - not just the new script, but how the changes effect progression. As has been stated, they aren't just bringing Debbie's art up-to-date (earlier than planned) - but they are also updating her story. So, no, the code is not basically already done.

Debbie is lacking pregnancy content, her art is a hodgepodge of old and new, she is a fan favorite, and her scenes will only grow as other stories expand.

Is she a fan favorite? Have you looked at the previous poll results? She's not taken a top spot (or even near it) in a long long time.

Like, prior to v0.15.0 long time.

To me, it always made sense to complete Debbie after reworking Jenny and Diane. However, from a business standpoint, I think now was the right time. I would guess that DC feels backed into a corner and people are justifiably mad that the 9 month tech update is now going on 4 years.

I would agree with you about when it made sense (years ago). I agree that now is the right time, but not for the reason you think (also, the tech update is going on 5 years - it's currently 4 years, 8 months) (edit: I did bad math, you're correct about going on 4 years). It makes sense because since they are working on the early days of in-game play - now is the best time to get Debbie's artwork and storyline where it is intended to be so that as dev team adds the other content to it, they don't need to go back and edit not only Debbie's art and storyline later but also tweak out any overlaps with other characters at that later time.

 

[PayneToTheMax]

Apparently it's a "soft reboot" for the Debbie story. I frankly don't get this. The old Debbie route had plenty of stuff that fit well within the narrative. The dev could've just released extra modified scenes or released "alternate situashionships" instead of rewriting them as a whole.

I think the idea was to give the route a more natural flow that fits better with how Roxxy and Eve's routes ended up as. Compared to those two, Debby and the old Jenny one were relatively underdeveloped. And those were just barely above the Mia one (and only because of the sheer amount of content). Call it autism, which it most likely is, but making each route of equal quality in the narrative department is a sound idea from a purely gaming development perspective. The way they are handling it not withstanding.

Mia and Diane (maybe?) are going to get the same treatment, so you can already prepare yourself for that.

Roxxy and Eve I can't really see getting a rewrite at all. They're probably as good as they're gonna get.

 

[gildoh]

Damn when comes the sybian for jenny? Iam waiting so freaking long for that

 

[rivers77]

This is not a save file. It is a trap.

This is why people shouldn't download saves from anonymous users in this forum.

But it hasn't. His paid subscription numbers are the highest they've ever been. He's still hovering at Patreon's top 10 of all creators on hosted on that site, based upon paid subscriptions.
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Maybe, but he doesn't even read the hate - he's been getting it since year one and he knows no matter what he does, there will always be people who hate what he does. Sploosh appears to read the hate, because I think Sploosh enjoys a bit of schadenfreude.

It is? Every dialogue/narrative rewrite requires coding - not just the new script, but how the changes effect progression. As has been stated, they aren't just bringing Debbie's art up-to-date (earlier than planned) - but they are also updating her story. So, no, the code is not basically already done.

Is she a fan favorite? Have you looked at the previous poll results? She's not taken a top spot (or even near it) in a long long time.

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Like, prior to v0.15.0 long time.

I would agree with you about when it made sense (years ago). I agree that now is the right time, but not for the reason you think (also, the tech update is going on 5 years - it's currently 4 years, 8 months) (edit: I did bad math, you're correct about going on 4 years). It makes sense because since they are working on the early days of in-game play - now is the best time to get Debbie's artwork and storyline where it is intended to be so that as dev team adds the other content to it, they don't need to go back and edit not only Debbie's art and storyline later but also tweak out any overlaps with other characters at that later time.

It could be that your excuse is a better one on why they chose to update Debbie now. I know it's very specific and strategic on why they chose, even if I don't fully comprehend why. Maybe it just makes sense as her story will overlap and work in conjunction with so many other stories. I think that idea makes sense.

I also feel like the lack of content problem does eventually snowball into a big problem at some point. Maybe DC wanted to head it off before it grew into something bigger. If it's not the money or the hate then maybe it just a strategic decision to take care of this story which is kind of the heart to everything, to make the rest run smoother.

I disagree with you that Debbie is not a fan favorite. She still did land in the top 6 for additional lewd scenes and I'll argue she would have a 2nd time too if she would've been offered up. The other instances are more a backlash of the fans which were unhappy about the Jenny and Diane remakes. The fans wanted new stuff, period. The teachers and Roxxy updates were huge hits and the fans wanted more of that. I'll just say this when it comes to Debbie, DC says the number one question he gets from fans is about Debbie's pregnancy, which tells me she is very popular.

When I say Debbie's code is already there, what I'm saying (probably not well enough) is that her story is implemented in the WIP, which to me would make it easier to put in. Her story has crossed that hurdle already, so I imagine it's easier to play around with that. It's not like you have to implement a whole new line and make sure it jives with everything else.