Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.5605] [Kompas Productions]

[Jonboy80]

Well, apparently this argument will never end.
Then I have a series of logical questions:
1. Older versions are more saturated both graphically and plotted, came out more often, what has changed?
2. The concept of a sister does not give a 100% guarantee of similarity, since they will be different, height, body shape, hair, etc., we have obvious twins who looked differently at early stages, do you think this is a qualitative redrawing?
3. Regarding Ren'py, now only lazy does not do on this engine, at that moment when RPGMaker's was thoroughly buried, not to mention more complex engines, the number of one-day authors who made it appear, raised money and ran away even on this site going off scale, apparently not so much so hard on him to rivet the game.
4. Every time I have to go through the game again, it seems very cool for you, to wipe up holes that you already saw in 2016?
5. Just after I saw the new artwork, I canceled a paid subscription that lasted more than 15 months, or you are very rich, or do not pay at all once you are tired. Once you ignore it?

1. The size of updates have changed. You're confusing working at the same speed with releases happening at the same frequency. Obviously, if one works at the same speed but has more work to do, it takes longer to finish. And no, past updates weren't as large as newer ones. I've been playing since .10 or so, and I can see that updates are larger than they were.

2. Twins can look identical, similar or very different. I'm not entirely sure what you're asking. Many characters have been redesigned. There was even an image of all of them floating around a couple weeks ago. It's not as though only Dianne and Debbie were redrawn. Eve, her sister, the nun, the guy at the car dealership, etc. are few of the ones being redesigned.

3. Not sure what you're saying here so I won't comment on it.

4. Blame the Patrons. It's a common complaint in the forums but Patrons have chosen not to vote for save compatibility in favor of new content. That being said, DC has been supplying a save file with all old content completed since .16 or so on the game download page of the site. That way, you can start on the new stuff immediately.

5. I find a couple of dollars a month not very much money. I don't have to be super rich to support the game. I've been a patron for, I think, eight months or so.

 

[steelsmiter]

Can you impregnate the mom and sister yet?

 

[lypsyl]

Can you impregnate the mom and sister yet?

No, just the aunt. The sister will be next update. It's 99% finished.

 

[ThirdManX]

Been following the project since 0.1, and seen a lot of things evolve.

This is a F2P, if you pay (support on patreon) or not and play it, that makes you a customer.
Kompas, which is own by Dark Cookie, is a company and the company product until now is Summertime Saga in early access.
The people helping him aren't most likely volunteers but employees.

And it tells how much this project has grown from someone doing this on his spare time to a company trying to pull out a full product.

Opinion time start.
I wish DC manage to finish his project but the project got out of his hands, I mean this has become too big for his way of processing things. More work doesn't always implie more dev time, like more money doesn't always implie less dev time.
It all relies on management, and from what I've seen since 2016, this isn't what DC is good at (sorry DC but you must face it).
This project doesn't need 46 artists, 58 devs and so on ..., it needs a real project manager that can pull up real tasks (and not that non sense they give to patrons) with deadlines cause without deadlines you have procrastination.
For this project to not finish like any other from the same genre, DC should be proactive and not reactive.
Opinion time end.

Btw if anyone can tell me why pledging to his patreon advertise at every tiers "Early access releases" as an advantage since everyone got the releases at the same time and for free ?

 

[Hank Moody]

Not surprising to see people still defending the greed

Pretty sad to see it though

If Summertime Saga was the best game I could understand it a bit more. But its not the best game and other devs release better products in a much shorter amount of time

 

[Qianke]

What led all these disputes.
1. The author does not sell anything to anyone, all money is transferred to him voluntarily.
2. The author is not obliged to anyone or anything, since the money is given to him of his own accord.
3. The author does not receive the amounts that are received in one year, as he spends taxes ....
4. The author has people who help him to create a project, but having a team does not change the speed of the update, because the author does not owe anything to anyone and does not sell ...
5. The amount of money and the speed of release of the versions are not connected in any way, since the author still has a personal life and the people to whom he has to pay for releasing the project ...
6. A street artist is the same as a professional artist who does his own work, at his own pace, and not at the pace specified by the customer ...
7. Projects like DoA and companies like BioWare are the same as the porn game on the free Ren'Py engine ...
8. The author does not receive the money that was calculated, as he pays tax ... for the fact that he does not sell anything and does not produce anything ....
9. A stable team does not have an exact release date for versions because ... fucking, why?
10. There are always people who believe that you are wrong, even if you have been a patron for more than a year, because the author does not owe you anything, he does not sell anything, but at the same time pays taxes and shares the amount with the development team, by what miracle he pays tax if he cannot explain it, why does he pay tax if he does not sell anything and is not obliged to do anything? Apparently, people think that with the pocket money that parents give them, you also need to pay tax ....

It is even worse than double standards ...
Logic buried ...

DarkCookie is self-employed and pays taxes, although negligible amount.

 

[Marakanum]

And the bugs keep increasing.
Will we break the 200?

 

[helixfossil]

Not surprising to see people still defending the greed

Pretty sad to see it though

I don't see you developing a game. Keep rushing to conclusions, bud. The rest of us can accept that a game that's not using models ripped from DAZ takes time to make.

 

[401Grem]

Not surprising to see people still defending the greed

Pretty sad to see it though

If Summertime Saga was the best game I could understand it a bit more. But its not the best game and other devs release better products in a much shorter amount of time

Haha, freeloaders calling the productive greedy, ironic hypocrisy! Keep biting the hand that feeds, you, and soon you'll receive what you deserve, NOTHING!

 

[steelsmiter]

I don't see you developing a game. Keep rushing to conclusions, bud. The rest of us can accept that a game that's not using models ripped from DAZ takes time to make.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but a game with models ripped from DAZ can take an obnoxiously long time to make as well. For example, A Wife and Mother.

 

[Jonboy80]

Not to put too fine a point on it, but a game with models ripped from DAZ can take an obnoxiously long time to make as well. For example, A Wife and Mother.

Yes, but AWAM aren't really pornographic, yet. It's telling a story and setting up stuff for the future. The last release I played, there wasn't even any sex yet, except for maybe one scene with the husband. It's been about four months since, though. Very similar to Dual Family, really, in that regard. It was writing a story and not rushing to throw porn into the mix. Also the same for Where The Heart Is.

I guess I don't get why people need to come to these slow paced erotic novels and complain about a slow pace whenre there are hundreds of VNs out there that are much faster paced that they can choose from. It reminds me of the people that would go into an RPGMaker game thread and complain that it's RPGM.

 

[Rando Civ]

whos your favorite girl in this game mine is Eve but my second favorite girl is Roxy then its the milfs

The Coach, Ronda, Mrs. Dewey and Aunt Diane.
Love how Diane is so inclined to the taboo and to fuck her nephew. Her attitude is incredibly hot.

 

[helixfossil]

Not to put too fine a point on it, but a game with models ripped from DAZ can take an obnoxiously long time to make as well. For example, A Wife and Mother.

I get what you mean, but from my own experience, animating and positioning 3D models is easier than with hand-drawn art like in summertime saga

 

[CrispJr]

Haha, freeloaders calling the productive greedy, ironic hypocrisy! Keep biting the hand that feeds, you, and soon you'll receive what you deserve, NOTHING!

Patrons browse this forum too, bud. And just because you don't pay for something doesn't mean you can't give it criticism.

 

[mayfly]

Why is this game that was created in some guy's basement not being run like a seasoned professional games studio??
Why did this guy not have a clear defined plan for growing his business the second he started even thinking about sketching out his first nipple???
Why is this guy who is clearly ripping off his fans keep gaining monetary support month after month??
Why is it that nothing of what I say makes any difference in how this game is produced whatsoever???

 

[FamousPotato]

Why is this game that was created in some guy's basement not being run like a seasoned professional games studio??
Why did this guy not have a clear defined plan for growing his business the second he started even thinking about sketching out his first nipple???
Why is this guy who is clearly ripping off his fans keep gaining monetary support month after month??
Why is it that nothing of what I say makes any difference in how this game is produced whatsoever???

There's sarcasm buried deep behind these legit questions.

 

[steelsmiter]

Whoopsie, let's remove that unrelated quote

Yes, but AWAM aren't really pornographic, yet. It's telling a story and setting up stuff for the future. The last release I played, there wasn't even any sex yet, except for maybe one scene with the husband. It's been about four months since, though. Very similar to Dual Family, really, in that regard. It was writing a story and not rushing to throw porn into the mix. Also the same for Where The Heart Is.

I guess I don't get why people need to come to these slow paced erotic novels and complain about a slow pace whenre there are hundreds of VNs out there that are much faster paced that they can choose from.

I'm neutral to it, and have done the thing you tell me to do. I was using AWAM to point out that games taking too long isn't a phenomenon unique to 2d games, although the two have their own set of concerns.

It reminds me of the people that would go into an RPGMaker game thread and complain that it's RPGM.

In the interest of fairness, RPGM is a bit clunkier if they go in hard on the interface and maps, it's harder to control, harder to type in names, and often much laggier for those of us with low end video cards. There have been RPGM games done right (which is to say, those that allow you to either type names, or not even bother with names, those that opt for a menu location change rather than a map based one. Can't really fix the difference in controls though), but they're the exception rather than the rule. Much the same for Ren'py games. Admittedly they both have the problem for us low end users that the creators often want to put in memory prohibitive animations that take too long.

In the SS for the year released more, and it corresponds to the genre of porn. While AWAM is a banal, lazy visual erotic novel, with beautiful graphics, but absolutely empty plot and the same characters, just a lot of the same text on the background of beautiful pictures.

I like AWAM, so my only real complaint is how slow and lazy it is. I'll eventually get to it, when someone noteworthy shoves a dick in someone else, and it's not a tease.

I get what you mean, but from my own experience, animating and positioning 3D models is easier than with hand-drawn art like in summertime saga

Oh yes. I am painfully aware each game (and each game type) has its own separate set of pitfalls. I can't really speak to the animation issue, but I do tend to prefer the ones that work better on my piece of shit computer. The images alone take quite a bit more man hours since there's not a lot of stock like there is with 3d though...

 

[bigz007]

I wonder if we can get DC 100k $ per month, would he be any faster with his updates...

 

[Plutarch]

Jesus christ stop writting essays defending or attacking an incest porn ren'py game on a pornography piracy website.

What's wrong with you people?

 

[j4yj4m]

I wonder if we can get DC 100k $ per month, would he be any faster with his updates...

Not until he finds another artist who'll fit his liking. One has to keep in mind that there hasn't been a new development goal after 25k. That's the amount of money he actually asked for. So right now I'd say it doesn't really matter for the overall development speed wether he makes 30, 50 or 60k. Sure, he could hire more coders and a third animator but that woudn't really change much.