Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.5605] [Kompas Productions]

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coffi69 said:
its the new definition of tech update...the dev takes half the content out then replaces it slowly over the next 2 years to keep the gravy train rollin. same trick milfy city used,
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If you want the old content while waiting for the tech update... you can still download directly from the developer for free
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. It's all still there and available, and has been for the past 45 months. It hasn't gone anywhere, yet. In fact, the APK was updated in around Easter of 2024 so that it is compatible for newer versions of Android.

If you want to play a preview of the tech update while it's being updated, converted, migrated and the like, then yes it is going to be awhile but... you can still download directly from the developer for free
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The title you mention appears to have always been 100% paywalled by that developer - so while I don't agree with an argument that developers "milk," I can understand it why some would say that developer did/does milk because of the Patreon/Steam paywalling.

Summertime Saga has always been 100% free the 8+ years it has been on Patreon - to anyone who wants it, directly from the developer's website. Subscribers are not subscribing for access to the game (if they are, they are idiots for doing so for a game that everyone can get for free and is told by the developer the game is 100% free).

TL;DR: So, no, your comparison of Summertime Saga to that other title does not hold water simply for the fact of the differences in how the developers make their product available: Dark Cookie has provided his product free to the general public for 8+ years but the other developer paywalls their product from the general public.
 
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Anyone else not holding out hope for the coming update? Soon it'll be four years since we saw anything we could consider "new"...
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Nobody.

I mean, the guy clearly said he didn't intend to finish the game, he wants to keep adding more and more. I won't be surprised if it's takes 3 years+ before we got at the same point we were in the story.
 
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Just an observation - not knocking the dev, the subscribers, the players, or anything. But I do find it odd that this is called a high quality dating sim - when it's not really much of a dating sim, nor is it very deep. The "routes" are pretty straightforward and are easier than most point & click adventures released in the 90's. The lewd scenes look good from a graphics perspective (the artwork definitely is well done and the animations take a while to make, and I prefer this style over the hundreds of 3D rendered types), but seriously - there's really nothing to them aside from - engage in sex, with *maybe* an option for another angle in some cases, speed up/down and finish button. The game truly feels a mile wide but an inch deep in the way it's made. Oh well, just some rambling/ranting on my part, I'm sure my thoughts are probably invalid/incorrect anyways. /shrug
 
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What he's doing is creating a GAAS type model where its possible to enter for free, with incentives on his patron that donations will speed up development.
Its pure greed.
This model is for multi-player games where the content is meant to be endlessly replayed. Here a story driven game will just get unbearably bloated following that model. How does 300 NPCs added over a 15 year period in this story format even sound fun?
From a quality standpoint this game should be wrapped up and a new game started if it remains a story driven game. I can see why he is doing it this way but no one should be defending it.
 
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vks017 said:
What he's doing is creating a GAAS type model where its possible to enter for free, with incentives on his patron that donations will speed up development.
Its pure greed.
This model is for multi-player games where the content is meant to be endlessly replayed. Here a story driven game will just get unbearably bloated following that model. How does 300 NPCs added over a 15 year period in this story format even sound fun?
From a quality standpoint this game should be wrapped up and a new game started if it remains a story driven game. I can see why he is doing it this way but no one should be defending it.
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It's nothing like a GaaS model. It has no characteristics of a GaaS Model.

There are no microtransactions.
There is no pay-to-play subscription model.
There is no statement made that subscriptions or donations speed up development - the only statement is "you get to help [DarkCookie] financially which is greatly appreciated."

That's it. You're confusing the idea because it's simply a free-to-play game and free-to-play game developers can use the GaaS model. But this doesn't walk like a duck or talk like a duck.

As for 100, 200, 300 NPCs? Some people don't want content to end. Some would like to see content continued to be created for as long as the development team likes. Unless you just want DC to stop after the tech update, Rhonda update, Annie update, and Judith update and round out the dance selection. If that is all you want - then feel free to stop playing when that gets done. No one is stopping you. But since 2017, DC has made it very clear that as long as fans continue to like the game and want more content and he continues to enjoy making content for this game --- he's going to keep working on this game. It's his game and his choice.
 
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There is a statement " The more pledges, the more time he can spend adding content to the game instead of working on his day job " that's what I was referring to.
Last time I mentioned it, it was deleted so it probably will again.
So I agree its a f2p game that is taking aspects of the GAAS model to make money to its detriment.
I personally will stop playing the game and following this thread if scenes for Rhona and Annie ever get added since that's what I am waiting for.
Its his game so his choice, I am only offering my opinion that a sequel would be better than a very bloated story focused game.
 
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vks017 said:
Wow Ok.
It seems his patron page has been amended since last time I checked.
It no longer has the incentives it had just a few weeks ago. Kudos for his team for changing it. Wonder if it been mentioned here was a factor since I believe there WAS an incentive for a very long time on his page that has only just been removed.
Lol.
The change does undercut my greed argument. The only parallels now is the endless development with a different optional subscription model.
I still don't like even the idea of over 300 NPCs. If the original cast ever have scenes particularly Rhonda and Annie, I will indeed stop playing and following this thread. That is really all I am waiting for.
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He hasn't made any major changes to his Patreon about page in over 2 years. Also, his tier benefits haven't changed.

You must be thinking of a different developer.

Here are four snapshots of DarkCookie's Patreon page (2025, 2023, 2019, 2017) and I don't see the incentives you think you saw. <I had already taken them and uploaded them by the time you posted your follow up post --- so I'm including them, anyway>
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There is a statement " The more pledges, the more time he can spend adding content to the game instead of working on his day job " that's what I was referring to.
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That's always been there. It's never been deleted. But, that doesn't say what you implied in your previous post:
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incentives on his patron that donations will speed up development.
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It just says he can spend more time instead of only doing this in his free-time. Imagine how slow this would take if he had to earn a living doing something else. Imagine the coding nightmare this would be if he was still trying to code it himself while working another job.

I get what you thought he meant from that statement - but there are no incentives promised to players about speeding up development. From my understanding, he has never even hinted in a post nor on stream to people asking for more donations so that they can get the next update out faster.

It still doesn't compare to a GaaS model.
 
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Yeah sorry about my now deleted post. From your original reply I thought his patron page had changed. I only noticed it had not after.
We can agree to disagree with the intentions of his wording.
 
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Is there big difference between 0.20.16 and 0.21.0.0? I prefer playing online and pages have only 0.20.16 version, so not sure, if it's worth downloading.

Thanks in advance.

And sorry, if there was similar question, but 4290 pages is a lil bit much to check ;)
 
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