Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.6011] [Kompas Productions]

[j4yj4m]

Agreed. The effort necessary to make the game all things to all people wouldn't be worth it. Focus on your core audience. Other people (like me) can make games for the fetishes you leave out.

I'd disagree for at least two reasons. First and foremost it's really up to the dev to decide what kind of game he wants to develope. The trans/gay/threesome content has been "planned" since 2016 after all. Next to that I don't really get how anybody could really complain if like 95+% of the content is to his liking, just because the other optional 3-5% maybe aren't. To me that seems somewhat entitled/selfish.

Secondly I'd actually say that SS as a game is indeed (meant to be) for everyone. I'm sure there are many people who for example liked/enjoyed Eve's story, who would never have installed a game that actually focusses on trans/futa content. And the same will probably be even more extreme for the gay content. Also it's a good thing in general, if these topics get some exposure within a game that literally gets millions downloads per release, instead of games which are played by a tiny group of people.

Segregating fetishes into seprate games is fine to some extend, but it's always good if there's a certain variety. Even more so, given that SS doesn't really serve any fetish in particular. Many people will find small bits they really enjoy, but unless your fetish is "vanilla" there's nothing else that really stands out - even the incest (before Patreon stepped in) is pretty modest compared to actual incest games.

Edit: Just to add, I'm not saying that every imaginable fetish should be included - but at least when it comes to the obvious things, I don't see a reason why not.

 

[Rickster82]

I have 2 questions:
Will the next update be a regular one again and not a visual refresher?
When is it planned and who is the main component this time?

 

[srksrk 68]

I'd disagree for at least two reasons. First and foremost it's really up to the dev to decide what kind of game he wants to develope. The trans/gay/threesome content has been "planned" since 2016 after all. Next to that I don't really get how anybody could really complain if like 95+% of the content is to his liking, just because the other optional 3-5% maybe aren't. To me that seems somewhat entitled/selfish.

Secondly I'd actually say that SS as a game is indeed (meant to be) for everyone. I'm sure there are many people who for example liked/enjoyed Eve's story, who would never have installed a game that actually focusses on trans/futa content. And the same will probably be even more extreme for the gay content. Also it's a good thing in general, if these topics get some exposure within a game that literally gets millions downloads per release, instead of games which are played by a tiny group of people.

Segregating fetishes into seprate games is fine to some extend, but it's always good if there's a certain variety. Even more so, given that SS doesn't really serve any fetish in particular. Many people will find small bits they really enjoy, but unless your fetish is "vanilla" there's nothing else that really stands out - even the incest (before Patreon stepped in) is pretty modest compared to actual incest games.

Edit: Just to add, I'm not saying that every imaginable fetish should be included - but at least when it comes to the obvious things, I don't see a reason why not.

I could go on repeating myself, but let's just agree to disagree. A game that tries to be for everyone will turn out to be for noone in the end, that's my opinion.

I don't care what DC originally planned the game to be, yes, I am selfish in that respect. The game is in most parts to my liking (there are parts I don't like and I do not want them to become more). Most things he changed during the past years were for the better. I want it to stay that way.

The least for him to do is making those things that are not main stream optional. But that will eat up resources as well, and it tends to make the story awkward in some respects. Some fetishes he introduced are already, unfortunately, not optional.

 

[ImTransAndTiny]

I'd disagree for at least two reasons. First and foremost it's really up to the dev to decide what kind of game he wants to develope. The trans/gay/threesome content has been "planned" since 2016 after all. Next to that I don't really get how anybody could really complain if like 95+% of the content is to his liking, just because the other optional 3-5% maybe aren't. To me that seems somewhat entitled/selfish.

Secondly I'd actually say that SS as a game is indeed (meant to be) for everyone. I'm sure there are many people who for example liked/enjoyed Eve's story, who would never have installed a game that actually focusses on trans/futa content. And the same will probably be even more extreme for the gay content. Also it's a good thing in general, if these topics get some exposure within a game that literally gets millions downloads per release, instead of games which are played by a tiny group of people.

Segregating fetishes into seprate games is fine to some extend, but it's always good if there's a certain variety. Even more so, given that SS doesn't really serve any fetish in particular. Many people will find small bits they really enjoy, but unless your fetish is "vanilla" there's nothing else that really stands out - even the incest (before Patreon stepped in) is pretty modest compared to actual incest games.

Edit: Just to add, I'm not saying that every imaginable fetish should be included - but at least when it comes to the obvious things, I don't see a reason why not.

I agree that it's a game for everyone, because it's a mainstream game that includes the types of content that are universally liked. Now, you can throw a bone, so to speak, to all of the non-mainstream genres by having trans/futa content, monster girls, etc., but it will never be enough for people who love that content and wish that the whole game was like that, and it turns off the people who aren't into it. Cisgender Eve exists because some people really dislike trans content, for instance, and Daisy and Aqua are hidden. Any new kinks or fetishes DC adds at this point are likely to turn off as many people as they turn on, so they have to be made optional and gated off, and it's a lot of extra work to add a single scene to check off one more genre, which will only leave the people who like that content disappointed that there isn't more of it.

With unlimited resources, go nuts and add everything. Until then, focus on creating routes for the MANY girls who don't have them before adding new niche content that not everyone wants.

 

[Omnikuken]

I'd disagree for at least two reasons. First and foremost it's really up to the dev to decide what kind of game he wants to develope. The trans/gay/threesome content has been "planned" since 2016 after all. Next to that I don't really get how anybody could really complain if like 95+% of the content is to his liking, just because the other optional 3-5% maybe aren't. To me that seems somewhat entitled/selfish.

..... stuff

You haven't been in the thread for long then

I have 2 questions:
Will the next update be a regular one again and not a visual refresher?
When is it planned and who is the main component this time?

>.> Just summon morado with his FAQ and answer yourself. No point repeating the same thing for the 4835738526436586th time in the last week

 

[Count Morado]

I have 2 questions:
Will the next update be a regular one again and not a visual refresher?
When is it planned and who is the main component this time?

>.> Just summon morado with his FAQ and answer yourself. No point repeating the same thing for the 4835738526436586th time in the last week

See #9, #10, #11, #12 and #1 of my FAQ below, posted for the 43rd time in less than 4 months - which is easily found using the technique in #1. Based upon #14, you should be able to make a common sense estimate on when you might expect the next update.

I post this because Omnikuken summoned me from the depths... and for the free reactions from wolfpackjac3.

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[Stil996]

I could go on repeating myself, but let's just agree to disagree. A game that tries to be for everyone will turn out to be for noone in the end, that's my opinion.

I don't care what DC originally planned the game to be, yes, I am selfish in that respect. The game is in most parts to my liking (there are parts I don't like and I do not want them to become more). Most things he changed during the past years were for the better. I want it to stay that way.

The least for him to do is making those things that are not main stream optional. But that will eat up resources as well, and it tends to make the story awkward in some respects. Some fetishes he introduced are already, unfortunately, not optional.

I agree that it's a game for everyone, because it's a mainstream game that includes the types of content that are universally liked. Now, you can throw a bone, so to speak, to all of the non-mainstream genres by having trans/futa content, monster girls, etc., but it will never be enough for people who love that content and wish that the whole game was like that, and it turns off the people who aren't into it. Cisgender Eve exists because some people really dislike trans content, for instance, and Daisy and Aqua are hidden. Any new kinks or fetishes DC adds at this point are likely to turn off as many people as they turn on, so they have to be made optional and gated off, and it's a lot of extra work to add a single scene to check off one more genre, which will only leave the people who like that content disappointed that there isn't more of it.

With unlimited resources, go nuts and add everything. Until then, focus on creating routes for the MANY girls who don't have them before adding new niche content that not everyone wants.

I crave a game that is all things to all people, but even if he had unlimited resources that is impossible, the worst mistake he made IMO was using polls to decide who gets content, I believe he should have forged ahead as the muses dictated. Most of the players of these games are already over-entitled, it's a huge mistake to do anything that reinforces that attitude.

A Dev should work to create the fantasy that turns him/her on, compromising in an effort off trying to please everyone just dilutes anything special already there.

 

[j4yj4m]

I agree that it's a game for everyone, because it's a mainstream game that includes the types of content that are universally liked. Now, you can throw a bone, so to speak, to all of the non-mainstream genres by having trans/futa content, monster girls, etc., but it will never be enough for people who love that content and wish that the whole game was like that, and it turns off the people who aren't into it. Cisgender Eve exists because some people really dislike trans content, for instance, and Daisy and Aqua are hidden. Any new kinks or fetishes DC adds at this point are likely to turn off as many people as they turn on, so they have to be made optional and gated off, and it's a lot of extra work to add a single scene to check off one more genre, which will only leave the people who like that content disappointed that there isn't more of it.

You'll never make everybody happy and I don't think it has ever been DC's goal in the first place (see Roz or boner Jesus, who combined probably triggered way more people than Eve ever will). I mean, it's not like he isn't aware that these things are for a minority, but that's especially why they should be added.
And honestly, that's just a question of where to start and where to stop. There are some who for example don't like Judith at all, because she's chubby. Should DC remove her?

Missing content to me seems to be bad argument in the case of SS, because that's basically the case for almost every character. The game offers simply a very broad range of characters, and comparatively little depth for each of them compared to even basic actual VNs.

As I've said before, SS has never been a game for people who just like "one single topic/type of character" and as such it doesn't cater to them. It's fine if they aren't fully satisfied and there are plenty of games out there, which they can play next to SS.

I could go on repeating myself, but let's just agree to disagree. A game that tries to be for everyone will turn out to be for noone in the end, that's my opinion.

I mean, we are talking about the most popular adult game on Patreon. So saying that nobody would be happy seems to be a bit of a stretch?

Edit:

You haven't been in the thread for long then

Sure, everybody complains about everything all the time. But that still doesn't mean, that (m)any of them are actually legitimate complaints

 

[JesseBelmond]

How can I get Cookie jar?

 

[Count Morado]

How can I get Cookie jar?

#6 in the FAQ three posts directly above yours #65,133

 

[Omnikuken]

How can I get Cookie jar?

Open the main menu ? Or you mean how to unlock stuff in it ? In which case, play the game ?

 

[petur]

Ulitmately only Eve's story and the main story are to say fully done.

I wouldn't be so sure about Eve. There is still the hinted threesome with her and Odette. Unless they dropped the part of Odette convincing her? Also isn't the prom also a part of the main story, a side arc? So there is still plenty of things to be added to all parts of the game from my point of view.

 

[HentaiGamerN00b]

I wouldn't be so sure about Eve. There is still the hinted threesome with her and Odette. Unless they dropped the part of Odette convincing her? Also isn't the prom also a part of the main story, a side arc? So there is still plenty of things to be added to all parts of the game from my point of view.

I think the "Prom" will be final Arc for this game. Choosing with who will MC goes is like choose for a girl or MILF ( :v ) or man (because it is suppose to have more gay content i believed ) or creature ( ;v ) or if it is an harem route and if it is, it will be possible a bi harem? (if we assume MC fuck everything that is humanoid :v ).

 

[Joop501]

Kelere what 1 assumptions so you can fill every glass
Live your life otherwise stop with this nonsense

 

[Joop501]

Get 1 life there is more than you proclaim

 

[Joop501]

Ik zou het om minstens twee redenen niet eens zijn. Eerst en vooral is het aan de ontwikkelaar om te beslissen wat voor soort game hij wil ontwikkelen. De trans/homo/trio-content is immers al sinds 2016 "gepland". Daarnaast snap ik niet hoe iemand echt kan klagen als 95+% van de inhoud naar zijn zin is, alleen maar omdat de andere optionele 3-5% dat misschien niet is. Dat lijkt me een beetje rechtmatig/egoïstisch.

Ten tweede zou ik eigenlijk zeggen dat SS als spel inderdaad voor iedereen is (bedoeld). Ik ben er zeker van dat er veel mensen zijn die bijvoorbeeld het verhaal van Eve leuk vonden/vonden, die nooit een game zouden hebben geïnstalleerd die zich echt op trans/futa-inhoud richt. En hetzelfde zal waarschijnlijk nog extremer zijn voor de homo-inhoud. Ook is het in het algemeen een goede zaak als deze enige aandacht krijgen binnen een game die letterlijk miljoenen downloads per release krijgt, in plaats van games die door een kleine groep mensen worden gespeeld.

Het scheiden van fetisjen in afzonderlijke games is tot op zekere hoogte prima, maar het is altijd goed als er een bepaalde variëteit is. Sterker nog, aangezien SS niet echt een fetisj in het bijzonder dient. Veel mensen zullen kleine stukjes vinden die ze echt leuk vinden, maar tenzij je fetisj "vanille" is, is er niets anders dat echt opvalt - zelfs de incest (voordat Patreon erin stapte) is vrij bescheiden in vergelijking met echte incestspellen.

Bewerken: om toe te voegen, ik zeg niet dat elke denkbare fetisj zou moeten worden opgenomen - maar als het gaat om de voor de hand liggende dingen, zie ik geen reden waarom niet.
[/CITAAT]

These updates without stories are really just fillers. DC's plan was to release the tech update least year, but it seems like he seriously underestimated the time it would take his team to get these "under the hood" things done. Now it looks like they are basically developing a completely new game codewise.

That's why for now we are just getting additional scenes for characters which are already in the game. These cause very little work for his team to implement.
And yes, that's a mixed bag. On one hand the game was always weak on the sexual content side and offered comparatively few scenes, so getting this many now is a good thing (things like Roxxy's BJ for example where demanded countless times). On the other hand there indeed has been no progess on the story side, which is bad.

When it comes to Steam/selling the game, DC already said that he considers the game paid by the development and he doesn't want to sell it for money later on. So if it's ever going to be on Steam, it'll be as cheap as possible (I'm not sure if you can just release it for free without paying fees there).


I'm not even sure it's that complicated. He just doesn't want to spoil the stories. When he started, he was bascially streaming everything he did and as such one already knew what was going to happen in the coming update. Now nobody knows any details and the relases became quite a bit more exiting. But yeah, they do change their plans at times, so it's probably a good thing not to promise any details.

Okay you have 1 point and say sensible things keep it up please

 

[j4yj4m]

I wouldn't be so sure about Eve. There is still the hinted threesome with her and Odette. Unless they dropped the part of Odette convincing her?

Sure, we may get additional scenes, but nothing that would really justify a whole update. I'm not saying that's good, as I'd like to see some changes to her story, but it's the realistic thing to expect.

Also isn't the prom also a part of the main story, a side arc? So there is still plenty of things to be added to all parts of the game from my point of view.

Well, the prom will likey get its own update(s) featuring all of the schoolgirls.

Just to be clear, I'm not saying that Eve won't get any content anymore, but only that her actual story is done and that she almost certainly won't get another update on her own.

 

[Omnikuken]

I wouldn't be so sure about Eve. There is still the hinted threesome with her and Odette. Unless they dropped the part of Odette convincing her? Also isn't the prom also a part of the main story, a side arc? So there is still plenty of things to be added to all parts of the game from my point of view.

The amount of dead ends that won't get anything doesn't mean Eve+Odette's will happen, even if they hint at it for years. Prom isn't in the main route (since that was finding out who killed MC's notdad and it's been done for more than a year). It is however a "main goal" (MC's notdad, the prom and farming enough $ for future schoolage). It will be a (possibly) huge update with every schoolgirl (Jenny and Debbie might also be included, Kevin and Erik is meh at best) when all of them get their routes and most of the game is done ...... Your point of view doesn't really work with how the game is made

 

[wutdafook]

1-2 months away from the next update? 0% progress/day

 

[Stil996]

1-2 months away from the next update? 0% progress/day

And how do you come to the conclusion of 0% progress/day?

the chart not changing just means nobody updated the chart