Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.6440] [Kompas Productions]

[itsyeboii]

It's not about it being hard to change. It's about Patreon having final say about the ability to have an account on their site. Back in late 2017, a lot of creators had their access suspended due to incest and other content. Dark Cookie made changes shortly after (before March 2018) so that he wouldn't lose his Patreon access. Doing so now, more than 4 years later, to an already established mother/daughter relationship (of over 6 years) for the purpose of two characters to now have sex (or sex scenes together) could be seen as an action made in bad faith and give Patreon the motivation to terminate the account. Changing the relationships now would jeopardize Dark Cookie's financial stability to feed his family, as well as those of the rest of the development team.

Of course it might already be too late to change it, but I just don't understand why he didn't in the first place. Even if it is just to keep doors open.

When it comes to Debbie and Jenny, it's indeed true that DC never intended to add a threesome for them, even before Patreon started to ban incest. In his mind they are just too different and simply don't have a real reason or the relationship to have threesome with MC. He basically always argued that it would be be too much work to write a credible story that suits both of them. Then again, both of them (will) have threesomes with other characters, so I don't think it's actually that bad. But sure, for those who really, really like incest it's a problem.

A threesome between mom/son/sis is the most logical thing in a porn game that involves incest. There's plenty of other things in SS that don't make sense just to serve a quest, story, sex scene, etc. It's not like it's insanely hard to find a way to get them in bed together when the characters are pretty surface level.

DC can make such dumb decisions for a good game with so much potential, it's the main reason I'm still in this thread
But it's his game so whatever.

 

[srksrk 68]

Have you ever considered that not everybody might love incest as much as you do? I figure that some people do not want to have more of it. It's not all Patreon.

But on the other hand, I always thought that the way they bent the Erik/Mrs. Johnson story out of the incest context was some of the silliest things. Breast feeding from his Land Lady, really? They should either take this out or make it right, together with the Dianebrokedownthehousetobuildafarm-nonsense.

 

[Omnikuken]

Have you ever considered that not everybody might love incest as much as you do? I figure that some people do not want to have more of it. It's not all Patreon.

But on the other hand, I always thought that the way they bent the Erik/Mrs. Johnson story out of the incest context was some of the silliest things. Breast feeding from his Land Lady, really? They should either take this out or make it right, together with the Dianebrokedownthehousetobuildafarm-nonsense.

It'll probably make more sense in the Erik remake we might get in ~4 years, until then, it's cringetopia. Same thing with the barn. Though they might weasel in some unbarneding with Annie's dad in her route, highly not happening, but it would make the most sense until a 3rd Diande remake

 

[itsyeboii]

Have you ever considered that not everybody might love incest as much as you do? I figure that some people do not want to have more of it. It's not all Patreon.

But on the other hand, I always thought that the way they bent the Erik/Mrs. Johnson story out of the incest context was some of the silliest things. Breast feeding from his Land Lady, really? They should either take this out or make it right, together with the Dianebrokedownthehousetobuildafarm-nonsense.

The house has been incest from the beginning whether you like it or not, the only reason it got changed is due to Patreon. You don't hear me saying Roxxy and Mia should be our cousins do you?

By the way, if DC would've un-familied Jenny along with the rest, wouldn't that make it exactly the same as Debbie not being your mom or Diane not being your aunt even though they look like twins and you resemble? So I'm not sure how we're gonna get more incest when you can just not download the patch. The only difference is that Jenny and Debbie fuck you together, the context is up to the person who plays it.

The Erik/Mrs.Johnson solution is just a band aid until DC remakes the story it's not supposed to make sense without the patch. Jenny and Debbie make more sense because they cared enough to kinda write them non-incest, but it's still silly. And yes I agree the Dianebrokedownthehousetobuildafarm is dumb as hell.

 

[bogodit]

I wish there was a sex scene between Debbie and Eric in the game.

 

[bogodit]

Erik does not have sex with his mom. She's his landlady.

It's not about it being hard to change. It's about Patreon having final say about the ability to have an account on their site. Back in late 2017, a lot of creators had their access suspended due to incest and other content. Dark Cookie made changes shortly after (before March 2018) so that he wouldn't lose his Patreon access. Doing so now, more than 4 years later, to an already established mother/daughter relationship (of over 6 years) for the purpose of two characters to now have sex (or sex scenes together) could be seen as an action made in bad faith and give Patreon the motivation to terminate the account. Changing the relationships now would jeopardize Dark Cookie's financial stability to feed his family, as well as those of the rest of the development team.

If and when the game is finished do you think Dark Cookie will take the game off of patreon and put back the incest stuff and whatnot?

 

[Count Morado]

If and when the game is finished do you think Dark Cookie will take the game off of patreon and put back the incest stuff and whatnot?

I personally don't see the point. The project would be finished. It would require more work to be done that has no financial payoff. Even if it were "only" rewriting the script - that still takes time and costs money. Time and money for something that he couldn't get something in return for that effort.

Also, by rolling those items back in - DC removes the ability to add possible DLC and get $$$ on Patreon for doing so, or doing some other remaster or tie-in. By putting back in that content, it might not completely deny future possible revenue - but it could severely restrict it.

Finally, there are non-official patches/mods which are already written, in circulation, updated, and tweaked to each modder's community desires. If people want that content, they already have options. All that said, we know that the code is being reworked. Part of that might be scriptwriting that makes the dialogue more simplistic for patches/mods to manipulate the storyline. We won't know that until we see it.

At the end of the day - it serves DC and his team nothing in terms of business to retcon all that content back in should the project ever be fully completed.

 

[j4yj4m]

There's plenty of other things in SS that don't make sense just to serve a quest, story, sex scene, etc. It's not like it's insanely hard to find a way to get them in bed together when the characters are pretty surface level.

That's certainly true, if they'd wanted to, they could add it. It just seems like he was never really willing to spend the time to add that specific scene. As I always say, the game certainly features incest as an important kink, but it was never really about the incest in DC's mind and it's just one fetish among many.

If and when the game is finished do you think Dark Cookie will take the game off of patreon and put back the incest stuff and whatnot?

That's basically what he himself has been saying like a dozen times over the years. Ultimately it's not that much work to change these very few assets and to write/pose some additional lines. It's worth noting that until now they haven't removed these opportunities to revert everything with very little work to be done and I'm pretty confident that it's going to stay that way.

Also, by rolling those items back in - DC removes the ability to add possible DLC and get $$$ on Patreon for doing so, or doing some other remaster or tie-in. By putting back in that content, it might not completely deny future possible revenue - but it could severely restrict it.

At least until now he's been more or less saying that he considers the game paid by the money that's earned "now" and that he doesn't want to charge for it more than he has to once it's done.
Next to that I don't think that DLCs will really be thing, but maybe that's just me. We know that he's working rather slowly and the people who finance what ever he does next on Patreon won't be happy if he just spends 6 to 9 months adding nothing for them to create content for a game that'll be like 10 years old by then.

 

[itsyeboii]

That's certainly true, if they'd wanted to, they could add it. It just seems like he was never really willing to spend the time to add that specific scene. As I always say, the game certainly features incest as an important kink, but it was never really about the incest in DC's mind and it's just one fetish among many.

Yeah I know, if DC doesn't want to do it then so be it. I will still disagree with it every day of the week though, along with some other of his choices.

 

[j4yj4m]

Yeah I know, if DC doesn't want to do it then so be it. I will still disagree with it every day of the week though, along with some other of his choices.

Yeah, I guess everybody who is following the game for some time could easily list his personal top 10 of decisions he'd like to be different. Having time to spare, I actually just thought of some things I'd love to see differently:

- Grace's whole situation. She deserves better.
- The fact that Eve lost her piercing and almost certainly won't get it back. (see below)
- The fact that we still don't have the Succubus which won the poll ages ago. Ivy would have been such a perfect fit for it.
- I'm not really happy that he chose the native american teacher over the muslim one (see below). Would have been a nice touch to add her, even though some people may have been upset.
- I'd have love to see what happened between Nadya and Katya (see below) but instead we got 2 voyeurism scenes for Ivy...
- Some of the main story meme characters (especially Keeves and Gamsay) are pretty annoying and weren't really needed in the first place. Ricky is kinda fun, though.
- The barn everybody else mentions (then again, they'll probably fix that at some point)
- It's not really my kink, but why add a Thotbot if MC can't fuck it?
- The way they changed Tyrone, Chad and Chico. I'd have really liked if things had returned to the former state at some point of Eve's story.
- I'd love to see some more boob variety. Especially for characters like Mrs. Johnson it would be totally fine if she'd actually have silicone tits, as it seesm she did before (see below). That doesn't mean it should be as wild/bad as it was in the beginning (Judith), but a compromise would have been fine.

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There's likely a lot more I forgot. Then again, that's just me and the positives, to me, outweigh the negatives by far.

 

[srksrk 68]

The house has been incest from the beginning whether you like it or not, the only reason it got changed is due to Patreon. You don't hear me saying Roxxy and Mia should be our cousins do you?

By the way, if DC would've un-familied Jenny along with the rest, wouldn't that make it exactly the same as Debbie not being your mom or Diane not being your aunt even though they look like twins and you resemble? So I'm not sure how we're gonna get more incest when you can just not download the patch. The only difference is that Jenny and Debbie fuck you together, the context is up to the person who plays it.

The Erik/Mrs.Johnson solution is just a band aid until DC remakes the story it's not supposed to make sense without the patch. Jenny and Debbie make more sense because they cared enough to kinda write them non-incest, but it's still silly. And yes I agree the Dianebrokedownthehousetobuildafarm is dumb as hell.

The game is in an un-incested state four times longer than it had incest in it. So most players are here because of like it is now.

And the Jenny/Debbie/MC setting actually makes sense to me as it is now. I find it fun and there is no easy way to re-incestify it imo.

 

[manneychin]

The game is in an un-incested state four times longer than it had incest in it. So most players are here because of like it is now.

Why is the incest tag still attached to this thread since incest has become so overwhelmingly irrelevant to this game?

 

[livano]

Why is the incest tag still attached to this thread since incest has become so overwhelmingly irrelevant to this game?

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[itsyeboii]

Yeah, I guess everybody who is following the game for some time could easily list his personal top 10 of decisions he'd like to be different. Having time to spare, I actually just thought of some things I'd love to see differently:

- Grace's whole situation. She deserves better.
- The fact that Eve lost her piercing and almost certainly won't get it back. (see below)
- The fact that we still don't have the Succubus which won the poll ages ago. Ivy would have been such a perfect fit for it.
- I'm not really happy that he chose the native american teacher over the muslim one (see below). Would have been a nice touch to add her, even though some people may have been upset.
- I'd have love to see what happened between Nadya and Katya (see below) but instead we got 2 voyeurism scenes for Ivy...
- Some of the main story meme characters (especially Keeves and Gamsay) are pretty annoying and weren't really needed in the first place. Ricky is kinda fun, though.
- The barn everybody else mentions (then again, they'll probably fix that at some point)
- It's not really my kink, but why add a Thotbot if MC can't fuck it?
- The way they changed Tyrone, Chad and Chico. I'd have really liked if things had returned to the former state at some point of Eve's story.
- I'd love to see some more boob variety. Especially for characters like Mrs. Johnson it would be totally fine if she'd actually have silicone tits, as it seesm she did before (see below). That doesn't mean it should be as wild/bad as it was in the beginning (Judith), but a compromise would have been fine.

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There's likely a lot more I forgot. Then again, that's just me and the positives, to me, outweigh the negatives by far.

I kinda agree with every point you made except I favor the muslim teacher over the native one, not by much though and I'm not a fan of silicone tiddies but a variety in bust sizes/shapes is something I really appreciate. And by Grace's whole situation do you mean that she's in a conflicted spot rn about having sex with MC behind Eve's back? Because I'm not a fan of that either.

And I fully agree that the positives outweigh the negatives, I sometimes tend forget that when I get lost in my fantasy of what this game could be lmao. I've been following this game almost since the beginning when you could only walk in the house and have your mom flash you and the game has come a looong way since then.

 

[itsyeboii]

The game is in an un-incested state four times longer than it had incest in it. So most players are here because of like it is now.

And the Jenny/Debbie/MC setting actually makes sense to me as it is now. I find it fun and there is no easy way to re-incestify it imo.

True, but that's kind of besides the point.

To me the house will always be incest, I mean it's pretty in your face tbh so it would be incest to me even if I wouldn't want it to be lol. But to each their own

 

[j4yj4m]

...I'm not a fan of silicone tiddies but a variety in bust sizes/shapes is something I really appreciate.

Mein neither, but it's just very fitting for her character I'd say and they kinda looked like that before she got her reworked art.

And by Grace's whole situation do you mean that she's in a conflicted spot rn about having sex with MC behind Eve's back? Because I'm not a fan of that either.

Yeah, in my opinion it would have been pretty much mandatory to have a second, non-romance branch in Eve's story which solves her problems and leaves her as some kind of friend with benefits for MC, so Grace can have her time to shine. I mean, they even added dialog options at the start of her story, which sadly lead to nothing. I really like Eve's romance path, but it basically excludes Grace completely.

If it was me, I'd have liked one branch where MC gets "fwb Eve", Grace and Odette and one where it's really just Eve (and maaaybe some Odette scenes, if needed). While doing that they also could have solved the issue with Tyrone, Chad and Chico, since confident "fwb Eve" certainly wouldn't mind hanging out in the park a bit more.

But yeah, that's currently indeed the biggest annoyance to me.

 

[srksrk 68]

Why is the incest tag still attached to this thread since incest has become so overwhelmingly irrelevant to this game?

I don't know. Maybe you ask DarkCookie why he does not actively enforce correct tagging of his game on pirate sites...

You can tell him to update the five-year-old screenshots by that opportunity as well

 

[cosanoyo]

I really want to play the game (haven´t played it since 2020) but i think it may be better if i wait for the tech update, what do you think?

 

[McSlut]

the muslim teacher & the native american one are complete disappointments if you ask me. more milfs with huge tits, wow we sure don't have enough of those already in this game.

 

[Ranma]

the muslim teacher & the native american one are complete disappointments if you ask me. more milfs with huge tits, wow we sure don't have enough of those already in this game.

Hmm...
Oh, I get it! I see what you mean.
WE NEED MORE GILFs WITH HUGE TITS!