DaedusWolfe
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For a game bringing in 60k a month, one change in 24 hours seems a bit ..... unproductive
Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.6440] [Kompas Productions]
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The game is bringing in $0 per month, directly. The game is free for everyone to play - no one pays to play, no one subscribes to get to play. The developer is bringing in $60k per month from memberships in Patreon tiers. Subscribers pay those membership tiers to support the efforts of the development team who does work on the game, but the benefits of the tiers are not based in game production. The subscribers receive what the developer has promised in benefits on Patreon each month. This is unlike other developers who tie access to their games through Patreon tier benefits.
To your point about tasks. If that task was "edit this 1 page script for the conversation between the MC and the bank teller" I can understand your perspective. However, if that task is "restructure the code for Debbie's storyline," it isn't as difficult to perceive for something like that to take quite a long period of time. Same with posing the image layers for Jenny in every scene she is involved. It depends upon how each of the 500+ tasks are defined. It appears that a good number of the quick and easy tasks were done up front and that's why there was an explosion in the progress chart in the early months, and they left the harder, longer, more intricate tasks for later and progress to complete the number of project has slowed.
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Guess Patrons are even more stupid than I thought, paying for some shit for months on end thats stuck in a development tsukuyomi only for it to release and pirates get the same content whilst also sparing their wallets tens to hundreds of dollars lmfao. Also good for DC for not getting pissy, lucky for us though most devs arent like that so its quite a show when a unintended leak shows up here.
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This is a general response for the nay sayers of the game.
I think what Count Morado is trying to convey to the people who are being negative towards this game or the development time, is that there's very little reason to. Paying a monthly Patreon fee is optional and doesn't actually impact nonpaying fans of the game. Dark cookie doesn't seem to care about the game leaking the same day as the paying customers and AFAIK, paying customers don't seem to complain very much either. Remember that game is leaked by the paying customers.
The wallpapers are always leaked pretty much the day they release, and that because it's leaked by the paying customers.
No one is going to debate that it's been quite some time between updates but that's just the way of life. For the people paying? Let them do whatever it is they want with their money. They're probably content because they're watching daily streams and interacting with DC during that time.
There's also a lot of interactivity within the game design itself. I only watch the stream maybe once a week, and even I have a little contribution to the art of the game, in the form of the two black parents with the white baby, walking out of the hospital. The entire map is filled with people getting their little jokes in or adding their ideas to the backgrounds all over.
I don't know what other game development is like, but I imagine it's nowhere near the input the fans get with DC.
Lastly the abandoned tag request. Say people get their wish and it happens. What is the reward or benefit from it? It feels like (through reading the numerous posts) these people wish to punish DC, thereby either shaming him in some way, or asking for people to stop supporting him, to force him to work faster. These are the same people calling Patreon supporters stupid, all the while asking for the wallpapers those very same people are supplying.
If the game is already free, the wallpapers are leaked by paying supporters and DC doesn't care, how will shaming or forcing him to move faster, work? I think a lot of people need to step away from these threads and reevaluate their levels of patience, and just exactly who is, and isn't smart.
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I feel like the people who ask for the abandoned tag overestimate the influence of this thread on a popular patreon game like STS and underestimate how popular STS is around the world.
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IIRC, there are no paying customers. People pay to "support the dev", not the game.
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Until the tech update, the average time between update releases was 2 months. The average time between for the years 2017-2021 was 2.5 months, but not uncommon to take 3-4 months. The last time the updates were as frequent as "monthly" - or quicker - on a regular basis was back when there was almost no content in 2016:
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As for your off-topic mention of another game - that developer has almost always had long release times because that developer can't stick to their plan and promises, also it has never been "competition" for this game. I'm an active follower of both of these threads and you're comparing apples to oranges.
You RC.
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If people want to talk shit let them, this is a forum.
But why though? If you and everyone else is getting everything for free, why bother? The only thing you're not getting is the free stuff you want, when you want it. This reeks of immaturity.
While being a patron is "optional" now, thats only possible because of the potential and interest the game garnered early on back when this game was developed like a normal porn game, now it has reached the "milking" phase in alot of peoples eyes.
Patreon has been optional from day one and because of that, I'm having a difficult time understanding your thought process here. "Milking" as you put it, would be a scenario where the dev would paywall the game, but there's no cost whatsoever. How does your logic hold up?
Patreon has been optional from day one and because of that, I'm having a difficult time understanding your thought process here. "Milking" as you put it, would be a scenario where the dev would paywall the game and intentionally stall, but there's no cost to this game whatsoever. How does your logic hold up?
Dark Cookie shouldnt care about the game getting leaked, he is making $$$$$BANK$$$$$ off of this game now, devs only care about leaks when they dont have that steady income coming in or when they fear that they are missing out on alot of money because of detractors.
This is incredibly selfish and flawed logic all around. Darkcookie uses the money to pay the people who work for him, as well as supporting his family. How much he makes isn't yours or anyone elses' business. It's thinking like this that makes me believe that you're probably a lot younger than 16 years of age. No adult, or rational individual would be concerned with someone elses's money, based on a product that they're getting for free. Again, it comes back to people not getting what they want for free, when they want to get it.
The game is leaked by paying customers but what should be noted is the paying customer is a pirate first and foremost, the only reason they paid in the first place was to stop other people from having too, thats the whole point of this site, a community that bands together to steal content for minimal pay, why should 100 people pay 100 times when 1 person can pay 1 time for 100 people?
One person paying one time is the correct way to do things. Anything else is theft. It's not a difficult concept to understand.
A paying customer is exactly that, a paying customer. They're doing things right while others are stealing. You make it like there's some kind of moral high ground or righteousness to theft. You're not the starving masses all banding together to steal food. You're on the internet, with your pc or phones, stealing other people's work, while complaining it's not done fast enough...
Instead, why not 40-50 or even 80 people get together and throw 50 cents or a dollar in each month to pay for the game? I'm betting people won't because they'll say it's not worth their time or effort to do so. The same people who are criticizing devs for running their business the way they do.
I'll go on record to say this much. I've browsed the threads and I see some business practices that I don't agree with. I see some games have high-cost monthly fees in the range of $30-50. If I was to see a game for $30-50 and it was completed? Then sure, it's not that bad. But paying that kind of price for a half or even a third of a game is just silly. Summertime Saga isn't any of that.
lmfao that isnt "the way of life", thats the way the dev wants it. Thats the problem with fanboys or dickriders (not saying you are or arent) you guys just assume "well the dev is doing it this way so this is whats right". Thats a very naïve way of thinking. People who are "content" watching a guy doodle are pretty much losers, i dont give a damn about watching some stream. I want Elder Scrolls 6, idgaf about watching Todd Howard walk around his office and talk to the art/dev team.
But it is the way of life, and if that's how the dev wants it? then so be it. What's your alternative? Post on the forums and insult the game, then criticize the cost or the time it's taking to complete? How will that change anything? People like that are just pissing into the wind.
And saying that the people who watch the stream are losers? Or is it that the people who sit on a pirate site and complain that their free stuff isn't being made fast enough are? Really think about that. You don't care about the process, you just want your damn game, yes? Does that sound like an emotionally and mentally mature individual? I'm trying to be as polite as possible here, but you're making this waaaay too easy.
That is streamer 101 nonsense, interact with the audience, make them feel apart, develop a parasocial relationship. I went through that phase when I was 16 with Twitch Streamers, thank god I wised up quick. All I see when I read that now is a bunch of losers with nothing better to do than to try and develop relationships online, which is a terrible substitute for actual human interaction or self betterment. It isnt healthy personally or financially, a 1-sided toxic relationship.
How is interacting with the people who watch the streams losers? Again, you're on here, complaining about free stuff. Seriously, are you reading what you're typing? And again, I find it extremely difficult to believe that you're older than 16...
If you have better things to do with your life, then why are you on her complaining about a game that's not being finished fast enough? It seems to contradict the apathy you're trying to convey.
The best thing you, or anyone else can do is to just stop posting stuff like this. Sure, you're free to post whatever you want (within reason) but the time you're wasting on something you have zero control over is just silly. If you say that you're older and you wised up really quick, then why are you still here posting stuff about something you can't change? That sounds more like you're here to fill the free time you have in your daily life.
This probably sounds like I'm attacking you or anyone else who thinks like you, but I'm just saying to let it go, and to go and fill your time with other games and activities until it's finished. Because if it's as you and the others are saying, it may be several years before this game is done. Are you looking forward to wasting literally years of your lfie complaining on a pirating site? Does that sound like a person who "wised up"? A loser is someone who complains about stuff they have no control over, day after day, while hoping that their complaints will somehow change the outcome on a site that has no influence over the thing they want to change. A loser is crapping all over the game and calling the Patreons losers, the same people who supply the game and the wallpapers to the people who spit on them...
In any case, I get the feeling that I'm trying to get a point across to people with their fingers in their ears going "LALALALA, I can't hear you!" So, I'm going to end my responses on this matter.
Best of luck.
But why though? If you and everyone else is getting everything for free, why bother? The only thing you're not getting is the free stuff you want, when you want it. This reeks of immaturity.
While being a patron is "optional" now, thats only possible because of the potential and interest the game garnered early on back when this game was developed like a normal porn game, now it has reached the "milking" phase in alot of peoples eyes.
Patreon has been optional from day one and because of that, I'm having a difficult time understanding your thought process here. "Milking" as you put it, would be a scenario where the dev would paywall the game, but there's no cost whatsoever. How does your logic hold up?
Patreon has been optional from day one and because of that, I'm having a difficult time understanding your thought process here. "Milking" as you put it, would be a scenario where the dev would paywall the game and intentionally stall, but there's no cost to this game whatsoever. How does your logic hold up?
Dark Cookie shouldnt care about the game getting leaked, he is making $$$$$BANK$$$$$ off of this game now, devs only care about leaks when they dont have that steady income coming in or when they fear that they are missing out on alot of money because of detractors.
This is incredibly selfish and flawed logic all around. Darkcookie uses the money to pay the people who work for him, as well as supporting his family. How much he makes isn't yours or anyone elses' business. It's thinking like this that makes me believe that you're probably a lot younger than 16 years of age. No adult, or rational individual would be concerned with someone elses's money, based on a product that they're getting for free. Again, it comes back to people not getting what they want for free, when they want to get it.
The game is leaked by paying customers but what should be noted is the paying customer is a pirate first and foremost, the only reason they paid in the first place was to stop other people from having too, thats the whole point of this site, a community that bands together to steal content for minimal pay, why should 100 people pay 100 times when 1 person can pay 1 time for 100 people?
One person paying one time is the correct way to do things. Anything else is theft. It's not a difficult concept to understand.
A paying customer is exactly that, a paying customer. They're doing things right while others are stealing. You make it like there's some kind of moral high ground or righteousness to theft. You're not the starving masses all banding together to steal food. You're on the internet, with your pc or phones, stealing other people's work, while complaining it's not done fast enough...
Instead, why not 40-50 or even 80 people get together and throw 50 cents or a dollar in each month to pay for the game? I'm betting people won't because they'll say it's not worth their time or effort to do so. The same people who are criticizing devs for running their business the way they do.
I'll go on record to say this much. I've browsed the threads and I see some business practices that I don't agree with. I see some games have high-cost monthly fees in the range of $30-50. If I was to see a game for $30-50 and it was completed? Then sure, it's not that bad. But paying that kind of price for a half or even a third of a game is just silly. Summertime Saga isn't any of that.
lmfao that isnt "the way of life", thats the way the dev wants it. Thats the problem with fanboys or dickriders (not saying you are or arent) you guys just assume "well the dev is doing it this way so this is whats right". Thats a very naïve way of thinking. People who are "content" watching a guy doodle are pretty much losers, i dont give a damn about watching some stream. I want Elder Scrolls 6, idgaf about watching Todd Howard walk around his office and talk to the art/dev team.
But it is the way of life, and if that's how the dev wants it? then so be it. What's your alternative? Post on the forums and insult the game, then criticize the cost or the time it's taking to complete? How will that change anything? People like that are just pissing into the wind.
And saying that the people who watch the stream are losers? Or is it that the people who sit on a pirate site and complain that their free stuff isn't being made fast enough are? Really think about that. You don't care about the process, you just want your damn game, yes? Does that sound like an emotionally and mentally mature individual? I'm trying to be as polite as possible here, but you're making this waaaay too easy.
That is streamer 101 nonsense, interact with the audience, make them feel apart, develop a parasocial relationship. I went through that phase when I was 16 with Twitch Streamers, thank god I wised up quick. All I see when I read that now is a bunch of losers with nothing better to do than to try and develop relationships online, which is a terrible substitute for actual human interaction or self betterment. It isnt healthy personally or financially, a 1-sided toxic relationship.
How is interacting with the people who watch the streams losers? Again, you're on here, complaining about free stuff. Seriously, are you reading what you're typing? And again, I find it extremely difficult to believe that you're older than 16...
If you have better things to do with your life, then why are you on her complaining about a game that's not being finished fast enough? It seems to contradict the apathy you're trying to convey.
The best thing you, or anyone else can do is to just stop posting stuff like this. Sure, you're free to post whatever you want (within reason) but the time you're wasting on something you have zero control over is just silly. If you say that you're older and you wised up really quick, then why are you still here posting stuff about something you can't change? That sounds more like you're here to fill the free time you have in your daily life.
This probably sounds like I'm attacking you or anyone else who thinks like you, but I'm just saying to let it go, and to go and fill your time with other games and activities until it's finished. Because if it's as you and the others are saying, it may be several years before this game is done. Are you looking forward to wasting literally years of your lfie complaining on a pirating site? Does that sound like a person who "wised up"? A loser is someone who complains about stuff they have no control over, day after day, while hoping that their complaints will somehow change the outcome on a site that has no influence over the thing they want to change. A loser is crapping all over the game and calling the Patreons losers, the same people who supply the game and the wallpapers to the people who spit on them...
In any case, I get the feeling that I'm trying to get a point across to people with their fingers in their ears going "LALALALA, I can't hear you!" So, I'm going to end my responses on this matter.
Best of luck.
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TLDR: You upset about other people being upset lmfao, gotcha.
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Bro really typed out an entire essay claiming he isn't mad while clearly being mad.
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I get your point on tasks and I'm not complaining as I haven't paid anything for this either. I guess I would have to know more about what they are doing as far as the scripting goes because I've worked on larger re-write projects than this and it seems that the code tasks are taking far longer to finished than they should. 69% complete for several weeks now. Not a few .. several. Over a year to tweak these scripts (a great deal of it being small subs) to take a different set of parameters is a bit much for me to believe. But hey, as I said, I am not getting agitated about the delay since I don't pay for it. I just get a bit annoyed with my peers (fellow coders/scripters) when they seem to be dragging their asses.
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I personally think they had to throw everything out and start from scratch, but yeah, probably coders also dragging their ass. Cost sunk fallacy might have struck DC, too, and he can't cut them loose in fear that it would delay everything even more.
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There is supposedly a brand new reservation system for managing character routes that they've been trying to implement for some time. We've only gotten bits and pieces through occasional Discord mentions, but it doesn't seem to be going well and they've been resorting to cheap workarounds. The team's reticence to share coding details outside of an esoteric list of tweaks for the monthly progress report isn't encouraging, either; as you've said, this project isn't complex enough to be showing little to no external momentum for several weeks or even months at a time.
As Senigata said, the truth is probably a mixture of having to start over several times and a relatively inexperienced set of coders. Starting over again with a new team could easily add more months to an already bloated development hell.
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ITT:
Worst part - they have no clue what it is...
Worst part - they have no clue what it is...
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I thought it was 12 months, in that case thtis is a fair post.
Man, 18 is a looong time. But we can make it there. Just gotta believe.
