Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.6440] [Kompas Productions]

[Fullcrum]

Why?
Not happy at having to choose between Mia or Helen?

Yes. I'm not happy. Not because I necessarily want to have everything in one go, but because the choice made in the way it is is now pointless. Mia did not catch MC and Helen in an unambiguous situation, so she has no right to know about this relationship. Helen, in turn, participates in some ritual and does not see it as a relationship / romance, so it is not in a situation where she could set such conditions.

Most importantly, however, the way DarkCookie builds the game and the character of MC, makes making such choices illogical when the choice is made between family members. Why? Because this choice leads to a conflict on the Helen - Mia line. Of course, it can be argued that this does not lead to a conflict, but then the story loses its credibility. And credibility is crucial to how high scores the game will collect as a whole.
Maybe many people do not think about it, but such things affect the reception of the game.

Such a choice may also suggest that MC is the reason why the Mia family is falling apart. And DarkCookie tries to introduce MC as a nice, friendly and helpful young man. It is much better to remove the selection here and create it in a place where it does not lead to such problems.

 

[Arap12]

yesterday at the stream we would have gotten our chance to see the first glimpse of redesigned mia but people voted for jenny in a bikini of course

maybe it's happening today, i wonder how big her changes are going to be

Picture?

 

[Snugglepuff]

Yes. I'm not happy. Not because I necessarily want to have everything in one go, but because the choice made in the way it is is now pointless.

So, you'd be happy to only be able to choose one, or the other, if it was better implemented?

Such a choice may also suggest that MC is the reason why the Mia family is falling apart. And DarkCookie tries to introduce MC as a nice, friendly and helpful young man. It is much better to remove the selection here and create it in a place where it does not lead to such problems.

Except that as it stands it clearly is not, in any way whatsoever, anything to do with the MC's involvement.
They were already having problems before the MC gets involved. We see things when they're coming to a head, not the build up.

 

[Fullcrum]

So, you'd be happy to only be able to choose one, or the other, if it was better implemented?

If DarkCookie manages to do it in a reliable way, yes. Then the choice is acceptable.

Except that as it stands it clearly is not, in any way whatsoever, anything to do with the MC's involvement.
They were already having problems before the MC gets involved. We see things when they're coming to a head, not the build up.

Yes. But the choice between Helen and Mia suggests that one of them does not want a rival. To be reliable, at least one of them must be aware that MC is interested in the latter. If MC chooses the latter, the first one simply has to feel aversion to the other. That is, speaking directly MC will cause a split between mother and daughter.
And this is probably not what DarkCookie would like to see in his game.
It is much easier to come up with a reason why both of them accept that MC is related to both of them.

In my opinion, if DarkCookie gives the opportunity to fuck so many women, it must in any case create a reason why they will all accept that they are one of many women in the life of MC.

I think this reason will have something to do with fertility / infertility since most women will have the opportunity to get pregnant with MC.

 

[Snugglepuff]

Yes. But the choice between Helen and Mia suggests that one of them does not want a rival. To be reliable, at least one of them must be aware that MC is interested in the latter. If MC chooses the latter, the first one simply has to feel aversion to the other. That is, speaking directly MC will cause a split between mother and daughter.

That's got nothing to do with Mia's family and their problems though. That's all after the problems have reached their breaking point.

 

[RuinerNoir]

Agreed. All he'd really have to do is move Helen's scenes to meeting her somewhere else and the entire problem ends up solved as Mia would never find out and Helen isn't possessive of the MC. Even if she was, the MC is her 'Master' and can keep that in line. The father in that household basically is doing a separation and seeing his co-worker from the jail anyway.
Hell, continuing along with the (apparently already planned) Nun's route could easily allow for Helen to be moved to a currently unused location for the 'ritual'.

 

[j4yj4m]

Especially in Mia's story the choice makes a lot of sense. Mia obviously, despite all those troubles, loves her family and if MC fails to bring Helen and Harold together (driving Harold out of the house) and instead starts fucking her mom, of course she'd be angry and wouldn't start a relationship. On the contrary, if MC fixes her family she'll be happy and thankful. That's why the choice was/is so good, because it actually means something.

 

[endlust]

If DarkCookie manages to do it in a reliable way, yes. Then the choice is acceptable.





Yes. But the choice between Helen and Mia suggests that one of them does not want a rival. To be reliable, at least one of them must be aware that MC is interested in the latter. If MC chooses the latter, the first one simply has to feel aversion to the other. That is, speaking directly MC will cause a split between mother and daughter.
And this is probably not what DarkCookie would like to see in his game.
It is much easier to come up with a reason why both of them accept that MC is related to both of them.

In my opinion, if DarkCookie gives the opportunity to fuck so many women, it must in any case create a reason why they will all accept that they are one of many women in the life of MC.

I think this reason will have something to do with fertility / infertility since most women will have the opportunity to get pregnant with MC.

It sounds like you want a third option for the ending, not a rewrite. I don't see much wrong with DC's writing in regard to Mia's story-line. I thought he conveyed the point well and the choice was based around whether you kept the family together, which is what Mia wants, or let them split and MC took over as head of house.

Though a third option wouldn't be a bad idea to include when pregnancy is added. A way to have both shouldn't be too difficult to change but I feel it would require the MC to be less passive in regards to their story because Mia's want would have to change.

 

[Fullcrum]

Especially in Mia's story the choice makes a lot of sense. Mia obviously, despite all those troubles, loves her family and if MC fails to bring Helen and Harold together (driving Harold out of the house) and instead starts fucking her mom, of course she'd be angry and wouldn't start a relationship. On the contrary, if MC fixes her family she'll be happy and thankful. That's why the choice was/is so good, because it actually means something.

Unfortunately, in this version, the choice between Helen and Mia is pointless.
Since none of them knows at what stage is MC's knowledge of the latter, no one had a reason to ask MC to choose.
This would indicate that this choice was made by the MC on its own initiative.

And something like that is unbelievable when the same MC fucks a dozen other women.

The facts are that MC is presented not as an alpha male who walks and combines how to get to the panties of every woman he encounters, nor is he presented as an idealist who is looking for the one woman who will be his love, but as nice, calm and helpful boy from the neighborhood, who will help anyone who needs help thanks to which the taboos of graceful women spread legs in front of him, which he eagerly uses.
In this situation, the choice presented in this way as now is completely senseless and unbelievable.

I personally choose Mia just because Helen has undergone something like brainwashing and manipulated into a sexual relationship with MC under the guise of a religious rite. If, instead of having sex in a church with a rope tied to Helen, she was having sex in her own home with her conscious choice of sexual relations with MC, no doubt my choice would be on Helen every time.

 

[j4yj4m]

Unfortunately, in this version, the choice between Helen and Mia is pointless.
Since none of them knows at what stage is MC's knowledge of the latter, no one had a reason to ask MC to choose.
This would indicate that this choice was made by the MC on its own initiative.

Well, it's certainly implicated in that decision. If MC fucks Helen (which is the choice you make), Harold won't come back and Mia will be disappointed, because MC failed his promise to help her. So much is clear and I don't think that's pointless at all.

Else it's not really about MC, but about all other characters. The game gets somewhat boring if every girl/women - more so mothers and daughters - in the game is willing to share at will. That's neither realistic nor really that much fun. And sure, in the end it's not about realism but at least for me there are certain points where it gets harder to immerse.

 

[PayneToTheMax]

Interestingly if MC fucks Helen then Mia isn't down for a relationship but if you then go and do the Arts story it's clear she wants to fuck MC either way. Those are things that need to be sorted out for a final version since it's inconsistent. Like gating routes behind the teacher routes maybe, gotta have finished Music route to do Eve's ect.

 

[j4yj4m]

Interestingly if MC fucks Helen then Mia isn't down for a relationship but if you then go and do the Arts story it's clear she wants to fuck MC either way. Those are things that need to be sorted out for a final version since it's inconsistent. Like gating routes behind the teacher routes maybe, gotta have finished Music route to do Eve's ect.

Those things will happen eventually, just as the telescope etc. will only work properly once the game is done. Properly connecting all those stories/branches right now, as long as there are some changes every update, would simply be too much work.

 

[Fullcrum]

Well, it's certainly implicated in that decision. If MC fucks Helen (which is the choice you make), Harold won't come back and Mia will be disappointed, because MC failed his promise to help her. So much is clear and I don't think that's pointless at all.

Else it's not really about MC, but about all other characters. The game gets somewhat boring if every girl/women - more so mothers and daughters - in the game is willing to share at will. That's neither realistic nor really that much fun. And sure, in the end it's not about realism but at least for me there are certain points where it gets harder to immerse.

You forget about one thing. If we choose Mia, then Harold comes back for the daughter's good, but he does not make himself happy. So we have a happy daughter and parents who are together, but they are really strangers to each other.
If we choose Helen, then Harold decides to follow his heart and try to create a happy relationship with his colleague.

The choice itself is a strong simplification of the situation, because the real choice is made by Harold himself and not by MC. Why? Because Harold does not know about the night rituals of MC and Helen. So their relationship has no right to influence his decision.

At this moment, the story of Helen and Mia is illogical and full of holes like a sieve.

There are many illogical and unbelievable things here.
1. In such a small environment, it is impossible to hide so many MC's relationships with different women. So DarkCookie will have to find an explanation for why women will accept massively that they are only one of many women in MC's life.
2. The fact that the teacher at school also make a massive relationship with the student is also unbelievable because it is against the law.
3. Most of women do not care about contraception and even want MC to go inside. A child is a serious matter, so the possibility that all women are so willing to get pregnant is also unbelievable.

In order for the whole story in the SS to make sense, DarkCookie will have to present some credible reason why so many women of all ages are willing to have an intimate relationship with MC and are ready to share it with other women and why each of them wants to get pregnant.

If DarkCookie finds the right and reasonable explanation, the fact that MC fucks "half" of the town and that all his women will give him permission will cease to be unbelievable.
All you need is a good explanation.

 

[PayneToTheMax]

Those things will happen eventually, just as the telescope etc. will only work properly once the game is done. Properly connecting all those stories/branches right now, as long as there are some changes every update, would simply be too much work.

Yeah I figured as much.

There are many illogical and unbelievable things here.
1. In such a small environment, it is impossible to hide so many MC's relationships with different women. So DarkCookie will have to find an explanation for why women will accept massively that they are only one of many women in MC's life.

Final game will clearly have a time limit set upon it to finish the three main goals given at the start of the game. Might be that there's hardly any time to actually hook up with all girls in the time. Might even be you're not "official" until the prom date where you can go only with one girl anyway.

2. The fact that the teacher at school also make a massive relationship with the student is also unbelievable because it is against the law.

Student/Teacher relationships are like one of the most used things in porn games ever, they don't need to be realistic since the games in itself don't need to be. I mean have you seen MC's dick?

3. Most of women do not care about contraception and even want MC to go inside. A child is a serious matter, so the possibility that all women are so willing to get pregnant is also unbelievable.

Same like with all the hentai games where the MC is allowed to do it raw and bust a nut inside all the time.

 

[j4yj4m]

I feel you are overthinking the whole thing way, way too much. We shouldn't start to wonder about stuff that's really not relevant. The game is constructed really easy and it's always the same. Make somebody happy -> get the pussy. What Harold thinks is neither known nor really relevant. If MC fails to bring the family togther, as Mia wishes, but basically makes it worse, Mia should be upset, because that's in character, and because of that she should reject MC. The same goes for Mrs. Johnson. Get Erik a girlfriend -> MC gets her. It doesn't get any easier.

Well, you said yourself "half" of the town, which means that some choice may be an option. It won't be realistic and there doesn't have to be an explanation for everything, but I'd just like some individual characters and some depth. The story will never make sense as a whole (it's a porn game after all...) but there should be a degree of character credibility and consequence. For characters like Roxxy and Chrystal for example it's quite reasonable that they'd be willing to share at will, while the same would be really out of character for Mia and Helen, without a really long lead up, or even at all.

Or in short: Just because there are and will be some smaller or bigger inconsistencies in the game doesn't mean, that every bit of credibility should be thrown out the window.

 

[Balrog]

Final game will clearly have a time limit set upon it to finish the three main goals given at the start of the game. Might be that there's hardly any time to actually hook up with all girls in the time. Might even be you're not "official" until the prom date where you can go only with one girl anyway.

I hope you're wrong cause that sound lame as fuck, i don't play porn games just to end up with one of the worst mechanic of normal visual novels.

Also it would make no sense if you choose to like romance your sis or your mom, you can't go to prom with them for exemple.

 

[srksrk 68]

I did not say anything about Roxy.

You are right, sorry. That was someone else.

 

[PayneToTheMax]

I hope you're wrong cause that sound lame as fuck, i don't play porn games just to end up with one of the worst mechanic of normal visual novels.

Also it would make no sense if you choose to like romance your sis or your mom, you can't go to prom with them for exemple.

The Summertime part kinda makes it sounds like a set timeframe, doesn't it?
Also the whole thing of MC having to get his ass in gear to make money for college and get his grades up to snuff also implicate it.

And actually DC said way back that Mom, Aunt and Sis would have been viable for the prom too.

 

[Somnus]

A glimpse on new Mia (in progress). Sorry, I couldn't capture a full body pic without Storm eyes, haha

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Another case of "she was good but got better".

 

[Fullcrum]

Final game will clearly have a time limit set upon it to finish the three main goals given at the start of the game. Might be that there's hardly any time to actually hook up with all girls in the time. Might even be you're not "official" until the prom date where you can go only with one girl anyway.




Student/Teacher relationships are like one of the most used things in porn games ever, they don't need to be realistic since the games in itself don't need to be. I mean have you seen MC's dick?



Same like with all the hentai games where the MC is allowed to do it raw and bust a nut inside all the time.

I doubt it. If someone does not hurry up with the school thread and focus on other stories or work and earn money, he would not be able to finish the game due to lack of time. I am convinced that the prom will be triggered by the progress in relations with school friends.

I know that the teacher / student relationship is a very popular topic in hentai, but even there the simultaneous relationship with all teachers at school is a rather unprecedented topic.

That's how I saw MC's penis and I do not have a problem with it. I am not bothered by its size, just as the presence of Aqua and / or Daisy does not bother me. I am not looking for credibility in the form / appearance. I am looking for credibility in character's behavior. Each character has a character and some motivations that drive it and that influence the character's decisions. At this point I am looking for integrity.