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Underrail a incredible RPG ( that require a lot more work and skill than this game here ) was made by just one person in six years. And thats just one example. Clearly games can be finished and developed in a orderly and timely manner. DC is eather lazy , a scamer or a piss poor game developer ( in that case he shoud stick to drawing , not that he's that incredible of an artist) .
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Underrail a incredible RPG ( that require a lot more work and skill than this game here ) was made by just one person in six years. And thats just one example. Clearly games can be finished and developed in a orderly and timely manner. DC is eather lazy , a scamer or a piss poor game developer ( in that case he shoud stick to drawing , not that he's that incredible of an artist) .
You're comparing actual games to a pron game :D DC isn't a programmer.. he started making the game to learn some programming. Later on he managed to get some people to do coding for him. Got even a writer. I don't remember why they decided to remake the game(probably it was a spaghetti code after programmers changing). Anywho, the way his business model works is kinda weird. Technically the game is for free. He gets paid via patreon. Meaning it's donations, not kickstarter or whatever subscription. Basically he's getting paid for making the game, not for the game itself. Now think for a moment. Why would you rush to finish the game, if you get more money in the long run to prolong making it? Yeah, people would stop donating if you drag too long, but that clearly didn't happen yet. I guess he found a sweet spot between updates to last as long as possible. You say DC is lazy.. and who isn't? :D Why do you say he's not incredible? If it wasn't, the game wouldn't be as popular.. btw.. just because you see 1 style in the game, doesn't mean he can't draw different styles..
 

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You're comparing actual games to a pron game :D DC isn't a programmer.. he started making the game to learn some programming. Later on he managed to get some people to do coding for him. Got even a writer. I don't remember why they decided to remake the game(probably it was a spaghetti code after programmers changing). Anywho, the way his business model works is kinda weird. Technically the game is for free. He gets paid via patreon. Meaning it's donations, not kickstarter or whatever subscription. Basically he's getting paid for making the game, not for the game itself. Now think for a moment. Why would you rush to finish the game, if you get more money in the long run to prolong making it? Yeah, people would stop donating if you drag too long, but that clearly didn't happen yet. I guess he found a sweet spot between updates to last as long as possible. You say DC is lazy.. and who isn't? :D Why do you say he's not incredible? If it wasn't, the game wouldn't be as popular.. btw.. just because you see 1 style in the game, doesn't mean he can't draw different styles..
Absolute skill issue.

If DC isn't a programmer, why is he taking in almost a million bucks a year to make a game while not hiring a coder?
The game wouldn't exist without these donations, so they're obviously needed for the game to continue being made - like it's taken him 6 years to make this tech update and he still has about a year and a half left til he's done with these trickle updates every 2 months where he fails to put in them what he says he will, and that's WITH that nearly million dollar a year budget with no full time employees.
 

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Absolute skill issue.

If DC isn't a programmer, why is he taking in almost a million bucks a year to make a game while not hiring a coder?
The game wouldn't exist without these donations, so they're obviously needed for the game to continue being made - like it's taken him 6 years to make this tech update and he still has about a year and a half left til he's done with these trickle updates every 2 months where he fails to put in them what he says he will, and that's WITH that nearly million dollar a year budget with no full time employees.
lol.. did you read at all? He's getting paid for making the game, the process.. not the product.. what's the incentive for him to finish? He's getting paid and he has no stress of timelines.. He would if people unsub, but nobody does. You might say he could put it on steam, he will, but why rush? He's getting paid. And do you really think anyone from STS team care about a forum talking shit about how it's taking forever? :D
 

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Absolute skill issue.

If DC isn't a programmer, why is he taking in almost a million bucks a year to make a game while not hiring a coder?
The game wouldn't exist without these donations, so they're obviously needed for the game to continue being made - like it's taken him 6 years to make this tech update and he still has about a year and a half left til he's done with these trickle updates every 2 months where he fails to put in them what he says he will, and that's WITH that nearly million dollar a year budget with no full time employees.
I mean, why should he? Really? He doesn't really owe his patrons anything. The key lies within the donation part. The donation is a voluntary payment, not a compulsive one. So how much 'rights' do his patreons really have here? Apart from just stopping the donations. Which they don't do. So, your suggestion?

I personally suggest to let them pay, and enjoy the fruits of DCs labour free of charge. If he remakes his game it's no sweat off my back lol. But also don't come here to shit up everything because you got buyer's remorse for something you assumed worked differently.
 
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lol.. did you read at all? He's getting paid for making the game, the process.. not the product.. what's the incentive for him to finish? He's getting paid and he has no stress of timelines.. He would if people unsub, but nobody does. You might say he could put it on steam, he will, but why rush? He's getting paid. And do you really think anyone from STS team care about a forum talking shit about how it's taking forever? :D
Considering the only reason we started getting the 2 month update increments is cause the game got the abandoned tag on this forum, yes, I do think they care about people talking about their game here. This site is probably 75% if not more of how they get new people interested in their game lol.
 

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You put too much faith in this forum ;) Probably patron numbers started to drop so they had to do something. Yeah, people can find STS via this forum, but you got to remember that most of us don't pay for the games here. If I discovered this game and saw how long it is in development, I'd never donate to his patreon.. no timeline when it's gonna get finished.. plus it's free..
 

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Yes, there are 3 other projects planned but our priority is to finish Summertime Saga first and make it as good as we can.
imagine being so bold as to claim that you want to create other games when just reworking an already existing game takes him a decade
 

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You put too much faith in this forum ;) Probably patron numbers started to drop so they had to do something. Yeah, people can find STS via this forum, but you got to remember that most of us don't pay for the games here. If I discovered this game and saw how long it is in development, I'd never donate to his patreon.. no timeline when it's gonna get finished.. plus it's free..
Oh and that just so happened to be at the exact same date they got the abandoned tag. Got it. Very big brain stuff here.
 

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If DC is not going to release anything today, he could at least have the decency of publish a quick preview delaying the update for some lying reason (that's called manners). Otherwise, even if he does release anything on the last hours of this january, 31th it would look like a lot he is holding the release on purpouse just to annoy us people! I mean, january 31th will end for him in about 4 hours and a half
 

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If DC is not going to release anything today, he could at least have the decency of publish a quick preview delaying the update for some lying reason (that's called manners). Otherwise, even if he does release anything on the last hours of this january, 31th it would look like a lot he is holding the release on purpouse just to annoy us people! I mean, january 31th will end for him in about 4 hours and a half
the guy releases when he wants to. not once was he reliable with his updates. the only thing you can do is go to his stream and look at vods. there you can see some scenes he has been working on.

And no where do i see an end to this. it just takes too long for him to update the whole thing.
 

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If DC is not going to release anything today, he could at least have the decency of publish a quick preview delaying the update for some lying reason (that's called manners). Otherwise, even if he does release anything on the last hours of this january, 31th it would look like a lot he is holding the release on purpouse just to annoy us people! I mean, january 31th will end for him in about 4 hours and a half
It would not surprise me at all if he just told his patrons to go fuck themselves and release it on Feb 1st instead so he can get another month of Patreon contributions from them. He really needs another 70k+ for this next batch of incomplete content you see.

The subreddit is saying that the Debbie route is still looking like it'll be incomplete this batch even though it was supposed to be completed by end of November based on the streams progress btw lol.
 

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It would not surprise me at all if he just told his patrons to go fuck themselves and release it on Feb 1st instead so he can get another month of Patreon contributions from them. He really needs another 70k+ for this next batch of incomplete content you see.

The subreddit is saying that the Debbie route is still looking like it'll be incomplete this batch even though it was supposed to be completed by end of November based on the streams progress btw lol.
Yeah! I guessed that! devs like DC just cant honor his own words...
 
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