Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.6440] [Kompas Productions]

[achmeed]

Well, they've been posted several times in this topic. Using the search would deliver a fast result.

Here's one from the discord:

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this is old saves man wont work...............

 

[j4yj4m]

this is old saves man wont work...............

Just downloaded them and they are fine. The notification about the old saves will show up all the time.

 

[Deleted member 426398]

Please, use words with their proper meaning.

Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication, or other information, on the basis that such material is considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or "inconvenient" as determined by government authorities or by community consensus.

It's censorship. They said change or remove. He changed. He was censored. They are well within their rights to tell him to do it, but it's still censorship.

That is an invalid association, just because someone stops you from doing something ('artistic'?) doesn't automatically make it censorship.
eg.
If a home owner stops me from painting the side of their house in an artistic manor (without their permission), are they censoring me?
What about if the relevant people stop me from holding an impromptu and loud rock concert in my local park at 3am, is that censorship?
Or if the local furniture store stops me & some friends from have a long discussion while sitting down on the store's floor stock, would that be considered being censored?

The developer has no intrinsic rights to be able to access Patreon's services, and the develop is still able to create whatever they want just not on Patreon.

Yes, you are being censored. Are they within their rights to do so, yes, absolutely, but it's still censorship. They have every right to, but it doesn't change that they are.

 

[j4yj4m]

It's censorship. They said change or remove. He changed. He was censored. They are well within their rights to tell him to do it, but it's still censorship.

No. They said accept our terms of service or we'll end our business relations with you. Censorship is usually done by the state and not within a simple contract environment. Patreon is free to contract with those whom they like and reject those they don't like. It's a rather simple business decision to not support that kind of content.

 

[MasterQ]

Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication, or other information, on the basis that such material is considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or "inconvenient" as determined by government authorities or by community consensus.

It's censorship. They said change or remove. He changed. He was censored. They are well within their rights to tell him to do it, but it's still censorship.

All good and fair...except censorship is enforced by an authority. A private company that doesn't want X and Y on his site it's not an authority.

 

[Deleted member 426398]

No. They said accept our terms of service or we'll end our business relations with you. Censorship is usually done by the state and not within a simple contract environment. Patreon is free to contract with those whom they like and reject those they don't like. It's a rather simple business decision to not support that kind of content.

So censored him. They have every right to do so. He has every right to say no. But they made him change what he was doing to meet their standards.

All good and fair...except censorship is enforced by an authority. A private company that doesn't want X and Y on his site it's not an authority.

So Patreon isn't an authority here to you? I don't see it that way. They are the ones saying make changes or get the boot.

To a bigger point, if NO business will let you do certain kinds of content, isn't that censorship by default.

 

[j4yj4m]

So censored him. They have every right to do so. He has every right to say no. But they made him change what he was doing to meet their standards.

But that's not censorship in the way the word is usually understood. First, as others mentioned it's usually done by the state (that's why the constitution protects us from it) and means to actually suppress that opinion on a broad base. That would mean that patreon would only want that content gone from their platform but make sure that it won't be available on any other platform either.

It's just like a bookstore refusing to sell a certain book or a kiosk refusing to sell a magazine. They won't care one bit if it gets sold somewhere else (just as patreon doesn't) they just don't want it in their store. Of course one could argue that patreon has such a dominant market position that it has to hold itself to higher standards but I doubt that would ever go through. It's a really big problem in the modern internet but sadly no argument in general.

So yes, they didn't want him but that's not censorship in the way the word is used.

 

[Trapezio]

How interesting... :idontcare::idontcare::idontcare::idontcare:

This thread is about SS. Stay on topic.

 

[MasterQ]

So Patreon isn't an authority here to you?

Nope. Patreon is a private company. But if you're so sure about this censorship thing, go on and sue them. It'll be funny.
And now Trapezio is right. Sorry for the OT.

 

[kuntink]

nice game on 2018

 

[Gok]

lol, people don't get what censorship is? censorship is censorship, if it has restrictions or more it's censorship, is it justified or not is totally different matter.

 

[Seneschall]

If the Mods would delete/ban every comment about Patreon this thread would only be 10 pages long instead of fu**ing 530...
And that would be awesome

 

[Ferghus]

If the Mods would delete/ban every comment about Patreon this thread would only be 10 pages long instead of fu**ing 530...
And that would be awesome

Well, the Patreon talk is somewhat relevant, due to people's motivation to support the game and DC's planned changes to the game. The definition of censorship is completely off topic though.

 

[xןʞ]

when you realize I'm just letting people dig their holes deeper before I decide who to threadban at this point

 

[Pravitas]

Well, I tried to find some info on what is taking so long for the next update, but after reading the last 10 freakin' pages of offtopic shit, I gave up.

Why has it been 3 months and no update? More if you count the last update as being lackluster.

Also, mods, please clean the topic, this is beyond ridiculous.

 

[Nulleins]

Why has it been 3 months and no update? More if you count the last update as being lackluster.

Update contains Quest and Scenes for 4 Teacher plus an Expansion of the whole school. Cookie asked Patrons if they wanted two Updates with 2 Teachers each or one huge Update and they chose the latter.

Then Patreon came and said: „Yeah that thing about no Incest was for real, dude.“ and he now has to change some stuff.

 

[PatreonTed]

Well, I tried to find some info on what is taking so long for the next update, but after reading the last 10 freakin' pages of offtopic shit, I gave up.

Why has it been 3 months and no update? More if you count the last update as being lackluster.

Also, mods, please clean the topic, this is beyond ridiculous.

They were going to split the teachers into two updates, but decided to put them all together to make quests/coding easier. The update is huge, more than double any previous update, as per devs.

 

[43pass]

You'll need some time/luck to get it. It'll appear in the mall's toilett, only on weekdays and only in the morning as far as I'm aware.

but the president isnt on his podium on the weekdays

 

[PatreonTed]

but the president isnt on his podium on the weekdays

Doesn't matter.

 

[43pass]

Doesn't matter.

oh thanks, hopefully it works