Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.6705] [Kompas Productions]

[GaRbS]

DarkCookie is apparently terminally ill from the looks of it.

He might as well be a corpse at this point and it's just his ghost haunting his computer.

 

[Oberoth]

Didn't Dr. Bones officially go on a hiatus due to being ill?

I didn't know that meant "Abandoned tag"

 

[Gongoru]

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From the looks of it, DarkCookie is *apparently* terminally ill (he might be busy with other matters, too). No idea about the other 2 coders, though.

All other repetitive comments aside, I wouldn't expect the 'Tech' update to come out sometime this year. 2025 is a better estimate, optimistically speaking

I think in 2025 the game engine will be obsolete or it will suddenly be discovered that it can't be a Frankenstein made from a million pieces of code, and the game will have to be rewritten from scratch on a new engine, which will mark a reset of the progress bar

 

[megaterska]

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From the looks of it, DarkCookie is *apparently* terminally ill (he might be busy with other matters, too). No idea about the other 2 coders, though.

All other repetitive comments aside, I wouldn't expect the 'Tech' update to come out sometime this year. 2025 is a better estimate, optimistically speaking.

Hey, the holiday season is right around the corner so he won't be able to stream regularly!

 

[peters_99]

I think in 2025 the game engine will be obsolete or it will suddenly be discovered that it can't be a Frankenstein made from a million pieces of code, and the game will have to be rewritten from scratch on a new engine, which will mark a reset of the progress bar

Lol, ofc. There will be some excuse for sure and the loyal patrons will say "quality takes time" in any case.

 

[KillTrust]

I honestly don't know whats worse. This thread or the patreon comments that have inhaled so much copium at this point they are practically dead.

 

[gnub33]

I honestly don't know whats worse. This thread or the patreon comments that have inhaled so much copium at this point they are practically dead.

Jc, what kind of thinks to the patrons say? I imagine things like “take all the time ever DC” or guessing optimistic release dates. Just the happy version of this thread.

 

[KillTrust]

Jc, what kind of thinks to the patrons say? I imagine things like “take all the time ever DC” or guessing optimistic release dates. Just the happy version of this thread.

You can look at the comments through Kemono party lol.

 

[BigLoada]

I think in 2025 the game engine will be obsolete or it will suddenly be discovered that it can't be a Frankenstein made from a million pieces of code, and the game will have to be rewritten from scratch on a new engine, which will mark a reset of the progress bar

That is exactly what will happen, without a doubt.

 

[Three Point]

I changed my old PC, I had installed the game (0.20.12 if I'm not mistaken) but I'm afraid that the post tech update won't be compatible with the saves I'll make...

I'm terrified that the post tech that the developer will do will be done with AI technology. Then the game will be over or rather almost no one will play it anymore.

 

[Ottoeight]

I changed my old PC, I had installed the game (0.20.12 if I'm not mistaken) but I'm afraid that the post tech update won't be compatible with the saves I'll make...

I'm terrified that the post tech that the developer will do will be done with AI technology. Then the game will be over or rather almost no one will play it anymore.

What's the problem in replaying the whole game? not enough time? the Author is giving you all the time between updates that you need.

The game is over since they finished the main storyline. Years ago.

 

[Xupuzulla]

Jc, what kind of thinks to the patrons say? I imagine things like “take all the time ever DC” or guessing optimistic release dates. Just the happy version of this thread.

The patreons of this games are always going to be more positive than the people here,people who hate DC arent giving him a cent

 

[dankmeme09]

What happened to this game ? Last time i played this game was 2021 and there are no update for the whole year ?

 

[MurkyTurtle]

I changed my old PC, I had installed the game (0.20.12 if I'm not mistaken) but I'm afraid that the post tech update won't be compatible with the saves I'll make...

I'm terrified that the post tech that the developer will do will be done with AI technology. Then the game will be over or rather almost no one will play it anymore.

You're correct, none of your old saves will work since the underlying game will be completely different. I have no idea why you'd think AI would be involved, though, since DC is infamous for doing literally every little bit of art by hand by himself. If he was lazy or artistically bankrupt enough to let a machine do all his artwork, he'd have hired a half-dozen artists off Fiverr or similar years ago and might have finished the game by now.

 

[eddieedison]

After getting Diane pregnant while using Pregnax pills, how do you then report it to Priya to unlock her content? Thanks in advance for your answer.

 

[srksrk 68]

After getting Diane pregnant while using Pregnax pills, how do you then report it to Priya to unlock her content? Thanks in advance for your answer.

Priya does not yet have any content.

 

[srksrk 68]

You're correct, none of your old saves will work since the underlying game will be completely different. I have no idea why you'd think AI would be involved, though, since DC is infamous for doing literally every little bit of art by hand by himself. If he was lazy or artistically bankrupt enough to let a machine do all his artwork, he'd have hired a half-dozen artists off Fiverr or similar years ago and might have finished the game by now.

Plus, art was never the bottleneck. Ever.

 

[otranu]

Plus, art was never the bottleneck. Ever.

This has been always the hardest point to explain here.

"OMG, another wallpaper, why so many wallpapers, he has to work on the update, he is just milking"
My brother in Christ, the art is done.

 

[manneychin]

Plus, art was never the bottleneck. Ever.

Your opinion is not based on fact but on trust in someone who has proven beyond any reasonable doubt that he deserves no trust. Beware of soiling yourself when you repeat the words of someone like that.

You don't know for certain that art for the Tech Update was EVER anywhere close to what DC claimed. Art was always 100% in DC's hands. It was a % written in a status progress/report image and nothing more and you choose to base your "never" and "ever" on a status report that was proved to be spectacularly meaningless about a million times over the past 3 years. It goes up and down arbitrarily with no clue on how it really relates to a true 100%.

Just the following should be enough for anyone to NEVER EVER trust DC again:

The Tech Update was sold by DC to paying patreons as something that'll take "(3 to 4 months) to complete" (quote by none other than DC, from the Dec-2020 poll he used to fool paying patreons into approving the Tech Update).

Now, if we indulgently consider TU dev to have started in Apr-2021 (even though DC claimed it already started in Feb-2021) we are 34 months into those "3 to 4 months" PLUS there is no release date in sight and no believable status update.

How can you possibly still trust someone who turns "3 to 4 months" into 34 months with no end in sight? I honestly don't even know which is more grotesque: Going 10 times over a deadline you yourself have set or doing that AND not even having a deadline after?

Now, if you try to argument BUT I KNOW then I wrote this for nothing because no, you absolutely don't.

I will say DC fooled a lot of people with this project, including me for a good while. The one thing I failed to see until years later is how this project's sole fundamental feature is it has no realistic ending. At first it wasn't readily apparent. The release schedule was somewhat reasonable (even though it faltered after 2018) and it just felt like maybe it will take a few years but the game definitely goes somewhere.

It was only around 2020 I realized that DC will work on this project for however long the cash keeps coming in (but I couldn't foresee the Tech Update megascam). The thing that triggered my awakening was how DC handled resume-playback-in-new-version-from-previous-version-saves. As people might remember, unlike 99 out of 100 most famous Ren'Py games, Summertime Saga kept failing at handling past saves even after they said they fixed it several times (old saves basically only worked when used between bugfix releases like 0.18.0 > 0.18.1 > 0.18.2 and even then it was sketchy).
The reason is simple. SS goes head on against how Ren'Py is designed due to a managerial decision from DC who said he wants to keep coming back to content that was already delivered and adjust it as new stories are added. Remember that? It was a massive wake up call. In normal software development this kind of move is suicidal because it's not economically feasible. Customers don't want to pay for slightly altered things they already received no matter how much better you think you've rererererereremade them. But DC can use this rereredoing pattern to prolongue SS for as many years as it's profitable to do so. What is the Tech Update? A megarerereredoing of what was already delivered. It wasn't supposed to contain any new major story.

So beware who you're placing your trust in. DC is a megascammer. He asked approval from his paying patreons for something that was supposed to take 10 times less than it already took and at no time when he kept going over the deadline did he showed any good faith interest to realign with expectations and his own promises. All his moves are focused on deception and dancing around the core of the problem (Hey how about these sidereleases nobody asked for? Hey how about these screeshots with a logo slapped on in 5 minutes wallpapers? Hey how about these superserial word salads status reports nobody can use to determine state vs. a true 100%? Hey how about I hide my income as soon as $/paying patreon dives? etc. etc.). He is literally milking his paying base for every single cent they have for however long they allow it.

We don't know what comes at the end as it depends on his private life. He already got $3-4 million and he stands to make at least one more million as long as he changes nothing in his m.o. Maybe that's enough for him to literally one day disappear and that's that. Maybe not, so then he'll have to resurrect SS and deliver the TU + something more. This doesn't change what he is and what he's done and it certainly doesn't change the end of the Summertime Saga project which will most certainly not be [COMPLETED].

 

[srksrk 68]

Your opinion is not based on fact but on trust in someone who has proven beyond any reasonable doubt that he deserves no trust. Beware of soiling yourself when you repeat the words of someone like that.

You don't know for certain that art for the Tech Update was EVER anywhere close to what DC claimed. Art was always 100% in DC's hands. It was a % written in a status progress/report image and nothing more and you choose to base your "never" and "ever" on a status report that was proved to be spectacularly meaningless about a million times over the past 3 years. It goes up and down arbitrarily with no clue on how it really relates to a true 100%.

Just the following should be enough for anyone to NEVER EVER trust DC again:

How can you possibly still trust someone who turns "3 to 4 months" into 34 months with no end in sight? I honestly don't even know which is more grotesque: Going 10 times over a deadline you yourself have set or doing that AND not even having a deadline after?

Now, if you try to argument BUT I KNOW then I wrote this for nothing because no, you absolutely don't.

I will say DC fooled a lot of people with this project, including me for a good while. The one thing I failed to see until years later is how this project's sole fundamental feature is it has no realistic ending. At first it wasn't readily apparent. The release schedule was somewhat reasonable (even though it faltered after 2018) and it just felt like maybe it will take a few years but the game definitely goes somewhere.

It was only around 2020 I realized that DC will work on this project for however long the cash keeps coming in (but I couldn't foresee the Tech Update megascam). The thing that triggered my awakening was how DC handled resume-playback-in-new-version-from-previous-version-saves. As people might remember, unlike 99 out of 100 most famous Ren'Py games, Summertime Saga kept failing at handling past saves even after they said they fixed it several times (old saves basically only worked when used between bugfix releases like 0.18.0 > 0.18.1 > 0.18.2 and even then it was sketchy).
The reason is simple. SS goes head on against how Ren'Py is designed due to a managerial decision from DC who said he wants to keep coming back to content that was already delivered and adjust it as new stories are added. Remember that? It was a massive wake up call. In normal software development this kind of move is suicidal because it's not economically feasible. Customers don't want to pay for slightly altered things they already received no matter how much better you think you've rererererereremade them. But DC can use this rereredoing pattern to prolongue SS for as many years as it's profitable to do so. What is the Tech Update? A megarerereredoing of what was already delivered. It wasn't supposed to contain any new major story.

So beware who you're placing your trust in. DC is a megascammer. He asked approval from his paying patreons for something that was supposed to take 10 times less than it already took and at no time when he kept going over the deadline did he showed any good faith interest to realign with expectations and his own promises. All his moves are focused on deception and dancing around the core of the problem (Hey how about these sidereleases nobody asked for? Hey how about these screeshots with a logo slapped on in 5 minutes wallpapers? Hey how about these superserial word salads status reports nobody can use to determine state vs. a true 100%? Hey how about I hide my income as soon as $/paying patreon dives? etc. etc.). He is literally milking his paying base for every single cent they have for however long they allow it.

We don't know what comes at the end as it depends on his private life. He already got $3-4 million and he stands to make at least one more million as long as he changes nothing in his m.o. Maybe that's enough for him to literally one day disappear and that's that. Maybe not, so then he'll have to resurrect SS and deliver the TU + something more. This doesn't change what he is and what he's done and it certainly doesn't change the end of the Summertime Saga project which will most certainly not be [COMPLETED].

Did writing that wall of text make you feel any better?

And will DC now draw faster, for you?