Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.6705] [Kompas Productions]

[Trapezio]

Trust me, white knighting DC won't get you any heat in this thread. There's plenty of love for sycophants. This update has taken 15 weeks and over $100,000 to get to 85%. That's $1000 a day, meanwhile a fire fighter earns. Tell me again how this is a side project.

I have done a) and I'm allowed to do b) and also criticise because this game is setting the benchmark for other developers. If the leading developer (which DC is) does this, this will become the norm even if I never play this game. Leaders can normalise bad behavior. We don't have to suck the cocks of the developers. They ought to be able to take constructive criticism and my criticism has been constructive. I'll say it again for the special children: if DC was honest about not fleecing his patrons he'd have switched to per update rather than per month billing when he realised this update was taking too long. He didn't so he gets to be called out on that. And I'll reiterate: he's pulling in £100,000 for this one update. Amateur hour is over, if he doesn't want to face the criticism then up his game.

Honestly. What's your problem with him, dude. What's your problem with us.

You got 25 posts on F95, most of them in this thread, spitting on SS's author and spitting on anyone that's praising the game.

So, once again: what's your problem with Summertime Saga?

 

[Trapezio]

lol,instead of a bland rant,he gave a constructive criticism in above post.and you are asking whats your problem?Hilarious

That's your opinion. Most of all, I don't like being called a sycophant just because I'm saying that the art is the bottleneck and no one but the author can draw it.

 

[theluc]

I have that feeling that Ms. Dewitt will be my fav teacher.

 

[TheClericBanton]

That's your opinion. Most of all, I don't like being called a sycophant just because I'm saying that the art is the bottleneck and no one but the author can draw it.

Well he makes more a year than the average comic book artist so this should be a full time job for him and the art wouldn't be a bottle neck. Most of the time the bottleneck seems to be posing and coding (going by where the progress stalls the most), not the art. While I love the game and have no personal qualms with DC, I feel he is milking this a bit.

 

[PatreonTed]

Trust me, white knighting DC won't get you any heat in this thread. There's plenty of love for sycophants. This update has taken 15 weeks and over $100,000 to get to 85%. That's $1000 a day, meanwhile a fire fighter earns. Tell me again how this is a side project.

I have done a) and I'm allowed to do b) and also criticise because this game is setting the benchmark for other developers. If the leading developer (which DC is) does this, this will become the norm even if I never play this game. Leaders can normalise bad behavior. We don't have to suck the cocks of the developers. They ought to be able to take constructive criticism and my criticism has been constructive. I'll say it again for the special children: if DC was honest about not fleecing his patrons he'd have switched to per update rather than per month billing when he realised this update was taking too long. He didn't so he gets to be called out on that. And I'll reiterate: he's pulling in £100,000 for this one update. Amateur hour is over, if he doesn't want to face the criticism then up his game.

I feel like you must be jealous of DC or something, constantly focused on his "pay". If he puts four months of effort into an update, shouldn't he reap the rewards of four months? What you're suggesting is that he only get "paid" for one month of work, which is ludicrous. At your job, when you have a project that you work on for four months, do you give back three months of your salary?

If you want to talk about bad precedents, you don't need look any further than Dark Silver. He put out a monthly update, threw together a bare minimum of images, a few lines of dialogue and probably took three weeks off. I feel like you haven't seen any of the streaming online because DC has put 10x the art into this update that Dark Silver would, and we haven't seen any of the spoiler stuff.

 

[Simba1776]

Guys, this isn't the place to discuss patreon-practices. If you have a problem with DC's practices, go to his patreon to complain *TO* *HIM*. This isn't a goddamn agony-aunt column.

 

[obibobi]

Do you? The fact the guy has a personal life is part of why stuff takes even longer. If he goes to jail or worse, guess what, game is probably over for a while. I can't wait to see how badly the bitching would be then about how slow it's all going. "Yeah dude, it's gonna take a while because he's locked up for a few years..." People's personal lives play apart of everything else they do. Can't ignore it. Weren't some people just complaining about him taking a vacation....the nerve of some people.

Yes I do. I doubt you do, in fact I doubt you've worked a day in your life.

Teacher, electrician, coder (for an established company), chef, you can use the personal life thing in emergencies. In the real world these jobs don't have out of touch fanboys to say "they have a personal life", in the real world a job comes with obligations, you get paid you're expected to do it.

See the thing is I am ok with his progress up to now, I just don't like to see people making awful excuses and personal life is just a sign that you are out of touch. You want an example of how bad that can get, go look at the game Queen Opala, the creator for that made up some sob story about construction nearby for about half year once they got on patreon, for anyone who works or goes to college could you imagine using that as an excuse as to why you can't work.

 

[PatreonTed]

I don't really get bringing up his personal life as a source of delay either. Maybe in regards to streams, he's cut the odd stream short due to baby stuff, but other than the odd holiday, he appears to be working full time on this. And the Patreon issues shouldn't have caused him more than a weeks delay, he wasn't the one in charge of re-writing the dialogue to make it fit with the new Patreon guidelines.

 

[Rando Civ]

I'm gonna go for a couple of days. I hope things calm down by then.

 

[PayneToTheMax]

I feel like you must be jealous of DC or something, constantly focused on his "pay". If he puts four months of effort into an update, shouldn't he reap the rewards of four months? What you're suggesting is that he only get "paid" for one month of work, which is ludicrous. At your job, when you have a project that you work on for four months, do you give back three months of your salary?

If you want to talk about bad precedents, you don't need look any further than Dark Silver. He put out a monthly update, threw together a bare minimum of images, a few lines of dialogue and probably took three weeks off. I feel like you haven't seen any of the streaming online because DC has put 10x the art into this update that Dark Silver would, and we haven't seen any of the spoiler stuff.

DC also has to share a cut with the person(s) in charge of the coding, right?
They certainly won't do that for free so acting like he's keeping all the money to himself is pretty silly.

 

[dunhill]

i hope this will be a big update cause it is sure taking long.... as for DC well i'm not sure but i think this is his full time job for now but with how things have been going with Patreon i wouldn't be surprised if DC starts looking for a full time job and this game being pushed back as a side project... yea he makes alot of money from this BUT he also got to pay the staff he has helping him out plus he does have a family to support... he does take long to make an update but he does also deliver and remember the game is released for free ppl...

 

[RedPillBlues]

This thread seems to be pretty toxic as of the late. I mean it's fair to be upset with how long the update is taking, but we need to also take into consideration that he had to rewrite the whole main story. I do think it has taken a bit longer then it should have (by a few weeks) but sometimes shit happens. And before you say "Well he makes XXXX amount of money, this is his job" you need to realize hes not taking your money, you're giving it to him to support him, you can take it back at any point. If you don't feel that hes giving the project as much time as you should (Which is understandable), then you can back out, at any time. That's if you actually support him, which i'm guessing if you're on here ranting at him, you don't. It's weird that someone actually has to say this.

 

[Re-4Andrew]

DC is one guy AND DC has a team of coders/other guys who do tasks that he isn't able to do. It's not some sort of side project anymore. He's making 25k dollars for month out of it. One hell of a side project. Just the make points clear, since too often people come here and start shouting non-sense.

I agree with that, but how much of that money is DC getting, when you take into account all the other people working on the SS team?

You could also add the fact that SS hasn't seen an update since Dec 23 (or thereabout) so people may be curious as to why, (

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I don't now why more people just don't pop onto the SS website from time to time) and because Patreon has put everything behind paywalls the only way to gain access to anything is to donate at least a dollar per month.

DC said he wants to have the original vision, inluding all the stuff now getting banned, but staying on that site isn't going to get him anywhere, and of course its tough to go anywhere when you have little to no alternatives when it comes to funding. I would seriously consider using the SS website itself and setting up some type of donation account,
he could hire on some to develop the site to be used in that manner. But then you have a the legal mumbo jumbo you have to deal with.

 

[Ferghus]

Damn man, I haven't been around for 20 pages and it's back to this shit again? Use the REPORT feature when people start shooting off insults, for fuck's sake. And stop feeding the drama! They don't give a shit about your opinions, evidently!

 

[muttdoggy]

Yeah we don't need to keep fighting about how creators should handle themselves on Patreon. There's a thread for that the general section. We need to get back to the topic which is a game called "Summertime Saga".
Leave the patreon discussion out of this thread. This is the warning to stay on topic and discuss patreon in the general thread.
Next time I see people derailing over patreon, I'll go on another purge. Or another mod will.

 

[SSBBSNAKE]

Those assholes need to practice yoga or some shit, i just go with the flow and in the blink of and eye i'll be boning Judith...

 

[VeggieNeptunia]

So this gonna have preg and more netori in the future?

 

[j4yj4m]

DC finished Missy, Becca and parts of the beach yesterday.

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Now I'm already waiting for 0.16 even though 0.15 isn't out yet.

 

[Deep-Six]

Did the % just went down?

 

[jczs97]

Did the % just went down?

yes but less that 1% so who cares, probably some corrections had to be made