Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.6705] [Kompas Productions]

[Count Morado]

Mia and her mom doesn't need to be incest, who said they have to touch each other, Mother/Daughter threesomes are the hottest kind IMO, A simple scene with the MC fucking Mia with her mom offering instruction from the side lines (with the occasional demonstration), means No incest .
Besides only assholes count Lesbian events as incest , not like either is going to impregnate the other.

Helen remaining in the room for an extended period of time while Mia and MC have sex (or vice versa) - without attempting to break them up - may trigger Patreon's TOS team. Offering instruction during the act, enjoying herself during the act, or just being voyeuristic watching her relative have sex could be investigated for violation. If you were DC, would you risk your livelihood for one scene?

So, what you're saying is that... Father/Son isn't Incest either??

Alrighty then, good to know.

That's not what Stil996 is saying. He's claiming that if the balls don't touch, it's not gay - but using mother/daughter instead of balls and incest for gay.

 

[Omnikuken]

Mia and her mom doesn't need to be incest, who said they have to touch each other, Mother/Daughter threesomes are the hottest kind IMO, A simple scene with the MC fucking Mia with her mom offering instruction from the side lines (with the occasional demonstration), means No incest .
Besides only assholes count Lesbian events as incest , not like either is going to impregnate the other.

Both of them naked in the same room is already skirting the line for Patreon

 

[Stil996]

Both of them naked in the same room is already skirting the line for Patreon

Patreon can suck my balls, next they will say being on a nudist beach together is incest.

 

[Ranma]

so you think Father/Son is lesbian?? you might want to have another go at looking up that word!
and
Father/Son threesomes don't need to be incest either, ever heard of a spitroast?

Besides only assholes count Lesbian events as incest , not like either is going to impregnate the other.

Your own words.
Your own logic.
Read it again.

 

[Stil996]

Your own words.
Your own logic.
Read it again.

Yeah you got me, I qualified my statement about Lesbian being cool that way, but if you are going to be pedantic why not include people who have suffered an injury that renders them infertile, that would have been a much more intelligent way to attack my post while neglecting its context.

 

[Count Morado]

Your own words.
Your own logic.
Read it again.

I skimmed over that last line in the post. You made a valid connection between the two.

 

[Omnikuken]

Patreon can suck my balls, next they will say being on a nudist beach together is incest.

You're not finished getting mad either : any semblance of family ties (step/adopted/re-married/whatever other convoluted mess) is still wincest to Patreon

 

[Stil996]

You're not finished getting mad either : any semblance of family ties (step/adopted/re-married/whatever other convoluted mess) is still wincest to Patreon

Yeah I know, they have already put a claim against another game because they count lines such as"you're like a sister to me", and "we're like family"

Those fascist inbreeds can suck on my salt

 

[Ganso7]

About the incest censore in patreon, DarkCookie said in discord a long time ago that his team had in mind to keep the incest theme in other pay platform. I think they may wait to had the game finished to proceed with that. Or maybe they change their decision

 

[j4yj4m]

About the incest censore in patreon, DarkCookie said in discord a long time ago that his team had in mind to keep the incest theme in other pay platform. I think they may wait to had the game finished to proceed with that. Or maybe they change their decision

I think there's a decent chance that we'll get an "incest version" once the game is considered done and once DC moves to what ever he wants to do next. But I don't really think that's going to include adding that much additional content. So while it will make the scenes which are in the game (MC/Debbie/Diane/Jenny or Eric/Mrs. Johnson) quite a bit "better", it won't really help those who don't have scenes now, as they likely won't get any new ones, either.

 

[Ganso7]

I think there's a decent chance that we'll get an "incest version" once the game is considered done and once DC moves to what ever he wants to do next. But I don't really think that's going to include adding that much additional content. So while it will make the scenes which are in the game (MC/Debbie/Diane/Jenny or Eric/Mrs. Johnson) quite a bit "better", it won't really help those who don't have scenes now, as they likely won't get any new ones, either.

Yes, we only left to wait I suppose

 

[itsyeboii]

It's not about it being hard to change. It's about Patreon having final say about the ability to have an account on their site. Back in late 2017, a lot of creators had their access suspended due to incest and other content. Dark Cookie made changes shortly after (before March 2018) so that he wouldn't lose his Patreon access. Doing so now, more than 4 years later, to an already established mother/daughter relationship (of over 6 years) for the purpose of two characters to now have sex (or sex scenes together) could be seen as an action made in bad faith and give Patreon the motivation to terminate the account. Changing the relationships now would jeopardize Dark Cookie's financial stability to feed his family, as well as those of the rest of the development team.

Of course it might already be too late to change it, but I just don't understand why he didn't in the first place. Even if it is just to keep doors open.

When it comes to Debbie and Jenny, it's indeed true that DC never intended to add a threesome for them, even before Patreon started to ban incest. In his mind they are just too different and simply don't have a real reason or the relationship to have threesome with MC. He basically always argued that it would be be too much work to write a credible story that suits both of them. Then again, both of them (will) have threesomes with other characters, so I don't think it's actually that bad. But sure, for those who really, really like incest it's a problem.

A threesome between mom/son/sis is the most logical thing in a porn game that involves incest. There's plenty of other things in SS that don't make sense just to serve a quest, story, sex scene, etc. It's not like it's insanely hard to find a way to get them in bed together when the characters are pretty surface level.

DC can make such dumb decisions for a good game with so much potential, it's the main reason I'm still in this thread
But it's his game so whatever.

 

[srksrk 68]

Have you ever considered that not everybody might love incest as much as you do? I figure that some people do not want to have more of it. It's not all Patreon.

But on the other hand, I always thought that the way they bent the Erik/Mrs. Johnson story out of the incest context was some of the silliest things. Breast feeding from his Land Lady, really? They should either take this out or make it right, together with the Dianebrokedownthehousetobuildafarm-nonsense.

 

[Omnikuken]

Have you ever considered that not everybody might love incest as much as you do? I figure that some people do not want to have more of it. It's not all Patreon.

But on the other hand, I always thought that the way they bent the Erik/Mrs. Johnson story out of the incest context was some of the silliest things. Breast feeding from his Land Lady, really? They should either take this out or make it right, together with the Dianebrokedownthehousetobuildafarm-nonsense.

It'll probably make more sense in the Erik remake we might get in ~4 years, until then, it's cringetopia. Same thing with the barn. Though they might weasel in some unbarneding with Annie's dad in her route, highly not happening, but it would make the most sense until a 3rd Diande remake

 

[itsyeboii]

Have you ever considered that not everybody might love incest as much as you do? I figure that some people do not want to have more of it. It's not all Patreon.

But on the other hand, I always thought that the way they bent the Erik/Mrs. Johnson story out of the incest context was some of the silliest things. Breast feeding from his Land Lady, really? They should either take this out or make it right, together with the Dianebrokedownthehousetobuildafarm-nonsense.

The house has been incest from the beginning whether you like it or not, the only reason it got changed is due to Patreon. You don't hear me saying Roxxy and Mia should be our cousins do you?

By the way, if DC would've un-familied Jenny along with the rest, wouldn't that make it exactly the same as Debbie not being your mom or Diane not being your aunt even though they look like twins and you resemble? So I'm not sure how we're gonna get more incest when you can just not download the patch. The only difference is that Jenny and Debbie fuck you together, the context is up to the person who plays it.

The Erik/Mrs.Johnson solution is just a band aid until DC remakes the story it's not supposed to make sense without the patch. Jenny and Debbie make more sense because they cared enough to kinda write them non-incest, but it's still silly. And yes I agree the Dianebrokedownthehousetobuildafarm is dumb as hell.

 

[bogodit]

I wish there was a sex scene between Debbie and Eric in the game.

 

[bogodit]

Erik does not have sex with his mom. She's his landlady.

It's not about it being hard to change. It's about Patreon having final say about the ability to have an account on their site. Back in late 2017, a lot of creators had their access suspended due to incest and other content. Dark Cookie made changes shortly after (before March 2018) so that he wouldn't lose his Patreon access. Doing so now, more than 4 years later, to an already established mother/daughter relationship (of over 6 years) for the purpose of two characters to now have sex (or sex scenes together) could be seen as an action made in bad faith and give Patreon the motivation to terminate the account. Changing the relationships now would jeopardize Dark Cookie's financial stability to feed his family, as well as those of the rest of the development team.

If and when the game is finished do you think Dark Cookie will take the game off of patreon and put back the incest stuff and whatnot?

 

[Count Morado]

If and when the game is finished do you think Dark Cookie will take the game off of patreon and put back the incest stuff and whatnot?

I personally don't see the point. The project would be finished. It would require more work to be done that has no financial payoff. Even if it were "only" rewriting the script - that still takes time and costs money. Time and money for something that he couldn't get something in return for that effort.

Also, by rolling those items back in - DC removes the ability to add possible DLC and get $$$ on Patreon for doing so, or doing some other remaster or tie-in. By putting back in that content, it might not completely deny future possible revenue - but it could severely restrict it.

Finally, there are non-official patches/mods which are already written, in circulation, updated, and tweaked to each modder's community desires. If people want that content, they already have options. All that said, we know that the code is being reworked. Part of that might be scriptwriting that makes the dialogue more simplistic for patches/mods to manipulate the storyline. We won't know that until we see it.

At the end of the day - it serves DC and his team nothing in terms of business to retcon all that content back in should the project ever be fully completed.

 

[j4yj4m]

There's plenty of other things in SS that don't make sense just to serve a quest, story, sex scene, etc. It's not like it's insanely hard to find a way to get them in bed together when the characters are pretty surface level.

That's certainly true, if they'd wanted to, they could add it. It just seems like he was never really willing to spend the time to add that specific scene. As I always say, the game certainly features incest as an important kink, but it was never really about the incest in DC's mind and it's just one fetish among many.

If and when the game is finished do you think Dark Cookie will take the game off of patreon and put back the incest stuff and whatnot?

That's basically what he himself has been saying like a dozen times over the years. Ultimately it's not that much work to change these very few assets and to write/pose some additional lines. It's worth noting that until now they haven't removed these opportunities to revert everything with very little work to be done and I'm pretty confident that it's going to stay that way.

Also, by rolling those items back in - DC removes the ability to add possible DLC and get $$$ on Patreon for doing so, or doing some other remaster or tie-in. By putting back in that content, it might not completely deny future possible revenue - but it could severely restrict it.

At least until now he's been more or less saying that he considers the game paid by the money that's earned "now" and that he doesn't want to charge for it more than he has to once it's done.
Next to that I don't think that DLCs will really be thing, but maybe that's just me. We know that he's working rather slowly and the people who finance what ever he does next on Patreon won't be happy if he just spends 6 to 9 months adding nothing for them to create content for a game that'll be like 10 years old by then.

 

[itsyeboii]

That's certainly true, if they'd wanted to, they could add it. It just seems like he was never really willing to spend the time to add that specific scene. As I always say, the game certainly features incest as an important kink, but it was never really about the incest in DC's mind and it's just one fetish among many.

Yeah I know, if DC doesn't want to do it then so be it. I will still disagree with it every day of the week though, along with some other of his choices.