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It's been a SUPER long time and I might be wrong about this but I recall when Ella first learned that MC went to the zoo (or rather simply went after animals for shapeshifting) she was surprised.

So maybe she just never thought bout doing such and just shapeshifted with whatever her mind went with.

Thats my guess with my sleep deprived mind :)

Edit: I was recalling the bad end where MC goes all out in their first fight and shows off his venom tentacle and she was surprised that he had it...tired Syther indeed.
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I never thought that her surprise could be because she never imagined using poison herself, we joke about Mc being dumb but if that's the case Ella beat us by far, bitch what you mean YOU never thought about poison ?:KEK:
 
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I never thought that her surprise could be because she never imagined using poison herself, we joke about Mc being dumb but if that's the case Ella beat us by far, bitch what you mean YOU never thought about poison ?:KEK:
Shit thinking about it not once have we see her use animal like shapeshifts...well scratch that there was that one time I recall with Clark and Lexi where she was kinda worm/snake like avoiding Lexi's attacks but beyond that never saw shit like that again.

So far with her shapeshifting she seems to have invested into metal and the like (which we see her use here and there)....holy fuck does she actually freeball her transformations to whatever she fuckin wants at a moment's notice to fit the situation? Just tossed on metal cause of da added defense/offense? God im too tired for this shit...

I can already sense the Loremasters awaking from their slumber to give us all their wisdom!
 
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I never thought that her surprise could be because she never imagined using poison herself, we joke about Mc being dumb but if that's the case Ella beat us by far, bitch what you mean YOU never thought about poison ?:KEK:
Fuck you goth cunt i knew i couldn't trust you i mean
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So, both Ella and MC are shapeshifters, so what type of path are they choosing? How different will they become from each other?
 

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So, both Ella and MC are shapeshifters, so what type of path are they choosing? How different will they become from each other?
Well we already saw some differences.

MC went with animals and the like for his shapeshifting and people too.

Ella seemingly (as far as I can remember) has been freeballing her transformations and doing whatever but at some point added metals and perhaps other materials to herself...oh and she has a pretty fuckin dank defense by putting a lot of herself underground which we saw during the big fight during battle of diamonds.

Something to note is: Ella said during her fight with treeboi is that she 'allowed' and 'chose' for Tree boi to be able to harm her form. So with how she is she can just say no to damage against weaker foes I guess.
 

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I have a question for you guys, serious time, may even start a war.

Is there ANYONE in game with ALL OF YOUR HEART that you actually d e s p i s e? I mean when they come on screen you just CANNOT find a reason AT ALL to enjoy them, as a reader/player due to perhaps bad writing of something of that nature?

I personally can't find anyone at all. There are people I dislike in the game sure, but I know I either do or will have the opportunity to put them in their place as the MC. Or alternatively I know they only really serve a purpose; like Jared being the a typical bully that just serves as a negative for the MC's journey.

But I've never really seen anyone written horribly that I believe plays a major role that is a toxic nuisance to the rest of the writing for the sake of it. The only one that comes even remotely close imo is Deryl, but I am biased and there are PLENTY of reasons for why he acted/acts the way he does.
Some bad apples that people may say and reasons I don't find them horrible as a character/don't enjoy them on screen:


1. Jared
He's a bully and DOESN'T play a significant"always the center of attention" role in the narrative, I didn't hate Flash in Spiderman.

2. Cole
Shares the same premise as Jared, in which he's a cocky prick but doesn't play a huge narratively annoying role that takes away from everyone else.

3. Nameless Thugs/Bullies
Again, they are side filler to help us feel better about ourselves.

4. Ella
She carries more than half the plot AND mystery of the entire game on her back.

5. Jake
He had an entire arc to himself essentially but it wasn't a HUGE take away from the MC and still looped and ended it's way into the MC's in a beautiful way/montage of blood and battle.

6. Danica
She's like a Cole to me just less aggressive, but again, serves the role as someone you can knock down a peg eventually and doesn't overshadow the main narrative.

I could go on but I hope this gives you a better understanding of my question. Again, no one fits MY criteria of just a horrible character but I want to know your guys' thoughts on the matter.
 
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I have a question for you guys, serious time, may even start a war.

Is there ANYONE in game with ALL OF YOUR HEART that you actually d e s p i s e? I mean when they come on screen you just CANNOT find a reason AT ALL to enjoy them, as a reader/player.
Poison guy who hits on Alice.

Mind you, I don't care about Alice but godddd damn is that guy annoying...I just wanna genderbend him and do alllll sorts of fucked up gore shit and alll the fucked up shit I posted about Alice yesterday to him.
^He's pretty damn horrible and outright pretends to not even know who our character is (despite all the fame MC has by this point).

Oh and I hate Cole too but we alllll knew that.
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That boi pussy will be conquered....

But on a serious note regarding Cole, I don't despise him. I actually enjoy it when he shows up because he usually gets shat on by his own side which is just great honestly lol
 
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Well we already saw some differences.

MC went with animals and the like for his shapeshifting and people too.

Ella seemingly (as far as I can remember) has been freeballing her transformations and doing whatever but at some point added metals and perhaps other materials to herself...oh and she has a pretty fuckin dank defense by putting a lot of herself underground which we saw during the big fight during battle of diamonds.

Something to note is: Ella said during her fight with treeboi is that she 'allowed' and 'chose' for Tree boi to be able to harm her form. So with how she is she can just say no to damage against weaker foes I guess.
If i had to explain i guess the main difference is that Ella is able to control her powers with far more precision, she can easily change very small structures on her body and even the atomic structure (making metal for example) at will, and since her lvl 1 it seems. Mc doesn't have this degree of control, he uses memories to make perfect copies of other creatures and people whitout the need for precise control of the process, so Ella's limits are whatever she can imagine, Mc's are whatever he can acess through memories.

Ella's invulnerability i think works by controlling her form not to change, i'm not sure if the power of the one attacking her makes a difference, as long as she has power to maintain her form she is impervious to damage.
 

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If i had to explain i guess the main difference is that Ella is able to control her powers with far more precision, she can easily change very small structures on her body and even the atomic structure (making metal for example) at will, and since her lvl 1 it seems. Mc doesn't have this degree of control, he uses memories to make perfect copies of other creatures and people whitout the need for precise control of the process, so Ella's limits are whatever she can imagine, Mc's are whatever he can acess through memories.

Ella's invulnerability i think works by controlling her form not to change, i'm not sure if the power of the one attacking her makes a difference, as long as she has power to maintain her form she is impervious to damage.
Well said brother!
 
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Poison guy who hits on Alice.

Mind you, I don't care about Alice but godddd damn is that guy annoying...I just wanna genderbend him and do alllll sorts of fucked up gore shit and alll the fucked up shit I posted about Alice yesterday to him.
^He's pretty damn horrible and outright pretends to not even know who our character is (despite all the fame MC has by this point).

Oh and I hate Cole too but we alllll knew that.
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That boi pussy will be conquered....
So you don't even like the fact that we flex on Acid guy? I found that whole sequence quite enjoyable personally :LOL:

Or that we will eventually probably be able to make Cole GROVEL at our toes after we nearly smite him into the shadow realm?

Perhaps I should've asked do you find anyone so poorly written you hate even seeing them on screen/hearing about them? As they take away from the overall experience and still always find a way to ruin the flow of all the better writing?
 

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So you don't even like the fact that we flex on Acid guy? I found that whole sequence quite enjoyable personally :LOL:

Or that we will eventually probably be able to make Cole GROVEL at our toes after we nearly smite him into the shadow realm?
Oh I did enjoy it indeed but doesn't remove my unbridled hatred for that character...honestly outside of him I can't think of a single character whom I truly despise.

Wait...I know of 1...the beginner of the NTR fuckery!
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So you don't even like the fact that we flex on Acid guy? I found that whole sequence quite enjoyable personally :LOL:

Or that we will eventually probably be able to make Cole GROVEL at our toes after we nearly smite him into the shadow realm?

Perhaps I should've asked do you find anyone so poorly written you hate even seeing them on screen/hearing about them? As they take away from the overall experience and still always find a way to ruin the flow of all the better writing?
Oh i get it, not a character you hate but one you don't enjoy at all because of how they are written, i guess Jared stereotypical bully act annoys me, and Cole agressive stupidity, if there is something i hate in characters is for their actions to not make sense to me.
Jared being a stereotypical bully is just a guy who mistreats people for no reason, being evil for the sake of it, no point, no objective, no plan, and often no benefit.
Cole is a loose cannon, he is a risk even to his allies and chooses violence even when it is pointless or even detrimental to his cause.

To show the difference, Ntr fat guy is a abusive prick who takes advantage of women for his personnal pleasure trusting that his power and influence will keep him safe, that makes sense and i understand even if i hate the guy his actions are reasonable, Cole and Jared are just stupid evil.
 
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Yes brothers it is that time once again....

The Shadow Conspiracy Part 1 out of...idk
You see after much pondering in the greater truth and witnessing the tome of shadow arise from the chamber by itself I was revealed a portion of our Lady's true power!

I was able to witness the great Lady Shadow utilize her reality warping ability replacing Michael in a scene with herself! She removed the mighty Michael with only a single thought!
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Her reality warping ability is so strong it fucked with Alice's titty...like holy shit amiright?

Oh yeah...that's the good shit...the visions of our fair lady comin in nicely boys!
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:unsure: not really i mean i have a kill list but not out of hate just that they are either red flags (ella,S.I.N, H.E.R.O) or stand in my way of a lazy life (the gov,the monsters). :unsure: i know what we Should do but to much work
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Leave me alone i know what it has to be done
So here is the plan
- we make a deal with xanthe and deryl
- we take samples for the superhuman genepool
- we get help for monster goth milf by Telling we will give her a lot of god slayers children
-we get help from deryl rebis (optional)
- we go full primaris
- we bring xanthe Junior to our side because at this point we can't keep all eggs on one nest
- we breed a lot the natural way or clones
-we take down the gov because bitches are a Pain
- we Need to expand before earth get fucked
- we stop to think if we became the same thing we are fighting against
- we remember that this is how mankind has always been
-we remember to be a good father so we don't get horused.
-we get horused anyway because reasons XD
 
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Yes brothers it is that time once again....

The Shadow Conspiracy Part 1 out of...idk
You see after much pondering in the greater truth and witnessing the tome of shadow arise from the chamber by itself I was revealed a portion of our Lady's true power!

I was able to witness the great Lady Shadow utilize her reality warping ability replacing Michael in a scene with herself! She removed the mighty Michael with only a single thought!
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Her reality warping ability is so strong it fucked with Alice's titty...like holy shit amiright?

Oh yeah...that's the good shit...the visions of our fair lady comin in nicely boys!
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Go to sleep you doglicker maniac.
 
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Go to sleep you doglicker maniac.
Kinda surprised im even still awake I already finished my classwork for this week like 3 hours ago...guess the barking of my dear lady keep me awake...her beautiful melodies often do such for me!

Sleep I shall brother.
 

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Shit thinking about it not once have we see her use animal like shapeshifts...well scratch that there was that one time I recall with Clark and Lexi where she was kinda worm/snake like avoiding Lexi's attacks but beyond that never saw shit like that again.

So far with her shapeshifting she seems to have invested into metal and the like (which we see her use here and there)....holy fuck does she actually freeball her transformations to whatever she fuckin wants at a moment's notice to fit the situation? Just tossed on metal cause of da added defense/offense? God im too tired for this shit...

I can already sense the Loremasters awaking from their slumber to give us all their wisdom!
This Ella vs MC discussion is fairly fun but it repeats every now and then and the same things are said ^_^

1. Ella's problem:
Ella has to create the blueprints of her forms from scratch and it took years before she started getting serious with new forms and using science to setup the biological system correctly. If I had to guess, I'd say that up till then, her main abilities were the shapeshifter regeneration, hairs, tentacles, probably some lesser transmutation and perhaps some animal/human form that she made herself to avoid detection.

Since Ella didn't have any schematics to transform into new forms, she had to make her own. So she used science and observation to create schematics for her forms and practiced them enough to be able to transform in a moments notice. That's why her forms look so "eldritch".

MC can get the schematics of any special ability by directly copying it from the creature possessing it. He doesn't need the precise control and his forms are already optimized by nature. He can also mix and match forms and materials even without fully understanding the particulars. Since MC gets the schematics through reading genetic memory, his forms look very familiar.

2. Fine Control and differing talents:
Ella was a superhuman for years till the memory of her forcing her teacher to help her with her forms. By my count, she has already been a s/h for at least 2 years (Mid school 1, Mid school 2, High school 1), perhaps even more. So saying that she has "precise" control when compared to MC that had his powers for a few months isn't exactly a fair comparison.

Xanthe says that Ella had the fine control since her first evolution. Perhaps she has a talent for it, but we don't know for how long she stayed a level 1. MC stayed at level 1 for about 2 months, and he was thrust into intrigue, while attenting college and solving his friends' problems. He had a faster way to power and he made good use of it.

Both of them have the same potential to alter their shape so we have to assume that he can also achieve the fine control that Ella has. The question is if he should bother when he can just focus on becoming strong enough and take the memories from Ella. After all, he was already able to create metal, even before he copied Ella's knowledge. He just didn't know how and he barely practiced for an hour or so. Who's to say what would happen if he practiced for a week straight.

3. Freeballing and Metal:
The way I see it, Ella's transformations are very rigid. She can't freeball anything because she probably doesn't have the knowledge to do it on the fly. Anything she makes, she has to design and practice and perhaps with experience she may be able to do some alterations on the fly, at least between forms she has a good grasp on. I actually don't remember any fights where she used metal in a serious capacity. She uses the hair bits, she turned her hand into steel to choke Alexis and turned her arms into swords against Nico. MC has used more metal in any level 2 fight than Ella has used in all her scenes combined.

However Ella doesn't really use transformations to fight. She has augmented her default form as much as she can, and she mainly uses tentacles/hair and transmutation. She has only used her snake/goatthing forms for kiting and utility, and the huge blob of mass she created against Nico was used as a platform for tentacles and utility against Nico's power.

MC on the other hand fights mainly with his transformations. He turns his body into a weapon, he protects it with various armors, he uses tentacles and his tail. He has been forced many times to create something new on the fly. The enchanced crocodile armor against Kenny, the wrecking ball he turns into against Klaus, the eye tentacle he used against Danica, the new pair of eyes he used against Valravn, the steel armor he used against Tiffany.
 

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I have a question for you guys, serious time, may even start a war.

Is there ANYONE in game with ALL OF YOUR HEART that you actually d e s p i s e? I mean when they come on screen you just CANNOT find a reason AT ALL to enjoy them, as a reader/player due to perhaps bad writing of something of that nature?

I personally can't find anyone at all. There are people I dislike in the game sure, but I know I either do or will have the opportunity to put them in their place as the MC. Or alternatively I know they only really serve a purpose; like Jared being the a typical bully that just serves as a negative for the MC's journey.

But I've never really seen anyone written horribly that I believe plays a major role that is a toxic nuisance to the rest of the writing for the sake of it. The only one that comes even remotely close imo is Deryl, but I am biased and there are PLENTY of reasons for why he acted/acts the way he does.
Some bad apples that people may say and reasons I don't find them horrible as a character/don't enjoy them on screen:


1. Jared
He's a bully and DOESN'T play a significant"always the center of attention" role in the narrative, I didn't hate Flash in Spiderman.

2. Cole
Shares the same premise as Jared, in which he's a cocky prick but doesn't play a huge narratively annoying role that takes away from everyone else.

3. Nameless Thugs/Bullies
Again, they are side filler to help us feel better about ourselves.

4. Ella
She carries more than half the plot AND mystery of the entire game on her back.

5. Jake
He had an entire arc to himself essentially but it wasn't a HUGE take away from the MC and still looped and ended it's way into the MC's in a beautiful way/montage of blood and battle.

6. Danica
She's like a Cole to me just less aggressive, but again, serves the role as someone you can knock down a peg eventually and doesn't overshadow the main narrative.

I could go on but I hope this gives you a better understanding of my question. Again, no one fits MY criteria of just a horrible character but I want to know your guys' thoughts on the matter.
If the question is just about bad writing specific to characters, I can't really think of anything. I mean sure, not all characters get an award or something, but they mostly act as you'd expect them too.

There exist some scenes though, that I don't see the point or actively dislike the way the unfold.

1) Persuading Dietz to become a superhuman | Yeah, cause one more entitled level 1 superhuman is exactly what SIN needs.
2) Ella's deadend about you for telling her about memory | Seriously, there isn't a single scene where MC "just dies". Only this one, and it really messes with the player's perception about Ella, so we have to either accept that Ella is crazy, or do mental gymnastics to find a theory that makes sense.
3) Nico's deadend about peeping | ...? Is this really Nico's character? She crashes a private beach party and gets murderously angry when boys act like boys? You want a petty villain? There is one. Again it completely messes with player's perception about the character.
4) Deus vs MC | The fucking elephant in the room. You know what? it's cool alright, but I'd rather this scene didn't exist in the game. I have tried in great detail to explain how the game "approaches" Deus power based on the dialogue, but the way the scenes unfold are confusing as hell. Especially when MC gets a wound similar to the ray attack before getting fucking disassembled. This minuscule fucking thing really messes with me.

And one that frustrates me, is why Shopkeep was calling MC Charlie and he only changed after Charlie and MC meet in the shop. What was the significance of that? I mean, it seems obvious to me that the package was a ruse for Shopkeep to create some condition. Perhaps tell MC where Charlie (and by extension Ella/kids) live, or create a scenario where MC and Charlie are in his proximity and he can set up something between those two. But why stop calling him Charlie at that point? It's so damn random.
 
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Bernhardt thought about 'power is absolute', is actually not very reasonable. The thought 'power is absolute' appear more usually in people who lack power, people that recognise themselves as inferior within the society they live. The ones who hold true power and strength usually are more balance and respectful of others' well-being.
 
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Bernhardt thought about 'power is absolute', is actually not very reasonable. The thought 'power is absolute' appear more usually in people who lack power, people that recognise themselves as inferior within the society they live. The ones who hold true power and strength usually are more balance and respectful of others' well-being.
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