VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.9999a Beta] [WeirdWorld]

[Gtdead]

Who says it triggers an infinite loop? Surely, if one evolves, the other similarly begins to evolve, then that's it? I don't think this is as big of an issue as you think. Having it be so that one gets a power boost if the other evolves seems way more unnatural and unintended.

The point of my argument is to attempt to explain how Evander can casually go against level 3s in such a short time. If they just evolve together but have a normal power progression, then I don't see how they could become so "unnaturally" powerful. They would just be normal superhumans that somehow evolve together no matter what. Not a big deal. MC and Jake kept a similar dynamic without being twins.

Frankly, Devana looks like a powerful level 2, but nowhere near level 3. MC had an easy time against her even during the tournament where he couldn't use his powers. The only thing her creations can do to him is being a roadblock. His whole problem is Evander.

If they evolve together, then Devana should also be a level 3 and her performance should have been far more impressive. So in order for Evander to be so strong, he must somehow leverage this unique and unnatural feature to reach level 3.

The only way this could happen, would be that he evolves, she evolves, and he evolves again due to her evolution. But what's stopping this from becoming an infinite loop?

 

[KingAgamemnon]

The point of my argument is to attempt to explain how Evander can casually go against level 3s in such a short time. If they just evolve together but have a normal power progression, then I don't see how they could become so powerful.

Frankly, Devana looks like a powerful level 2, but nowhere near level 3. MC had an easy time against her even during the tournament where he couldn't use his powers. The only thing her creations can do to him is being a roadblock. His whole problem is Evander.

If they evolve together, then Devana should also be a level 3 and her performance should have been far more impressive. So in order for Evander to be so strong, he must somehow leverage this unique and unnatural feature to reach level 3.

The only way this could happen, would be that he evolves, she evolves, and he evolves again. But what's stopping this from becoming an infinite loop?

Couldn't the unnatural power boost mostly come from the extreme degree to which they are a genetic match for their apostle parents? Plus, these twins are in a fundamentally different situation, where pressure to grow stronger is higher than it is for the otherwise communal HERO organization, where the MC can mostly rely on others to back him up in a pinch, whereas if the twins drop they will likely let them die and just try again with a new pair of twins.

EDIT: Plus, we know that although there are average power levels at which evolution can occur, it doesn't strictly need to adhere to it, especially since we've seen people who have evolved multiple times in a matter of days. It's possible that they've evolved at higher power levels than the MC did, which results in them being stronger.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

I too don't think that they are on SIN's side. I'm just trying to figure out why they even bother with them. Hex in particular is literally SIN's lifeline. There is no way SIN can survive outside the dimension or without it's teleport and blocking capabilities. Tanos' research on twins may be a reason and having access to SIN's infrastructure could be a boon, but I kinda find it a stretch. Yet the monsters play well with them and even do their bidding instead of being more controlling.

Btw I really don't think that Charlie is a level 4. I have 2 reasons for this:
1) She looks like a child. This is further augmented by both her sprite image name being ycharlie (meta reason, y almost always stands for young), and how Shen's body matured when he reached his 4th (in game reason)
2) I think it's fair to assume that MC as a high compatibility superhuman can gain more power than other superhumans. If that's true, then it's possible that Met has significantly less power, to the order of 100 to 150, despite having his power for a similar amount of time. If Charlie has high compatibility and had her power for 2-3 years, she could have easily accumulated around 1000 power.

So having 10x Met's power as a level 3 could be a very plausible scenario.
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This didn't make too much sense when I read it, but assuming that Evander is level 3 or an unnaturally powerful level 2, perhaps it's very significant. Still it shouldn't explain how a level 2 can go against a level 3 that easily, due to level 3 strengthening the body too, but anyway:



1) Unnatural Growth
2) One evolution, both bodies rise.

This is cryptic as fuck and the implication can create an infinite loop, so we can't know exactly how this works.

Some possible interactions:
1) When 1 evolves, the other evolves too.
This is a bit iffy cause it could create an infinite loop. For example, Devana evolves, which causes Evander to evolve, which causes Devana to evolve, etc.

2) When 1 evolves, the other gains a similar evolution boost.
The siblings were training for 1 month, and they both have accumulated 10 power.
Evander evolves, which gives him 20 power.
Now they both have 30 power, but Devana is a level 1.

Devana evolves, which gives her more power and Evander instantly benefits from it.

a) For argument's sake, let's keep it at 20 again.
So now both of them are level 2 with 50 power.

b) If we go by my theory of 3x, Devana will get 60 power through her evolution, so both of them will reach 90 power.
This would put them at a power level similar to MC when he fought Valravn.

On the other hand, if Devana and Evander have unnatural growth due to them being apostlespawn twins, then it seems kind of odd that MC, who is literally 2 in 1 and connected to an Arbiter, can't casually annihilate level 4s by now. But anyway.

I don't think Charlie is Level 4 myself. It would be odd that she's that powerful and it's only been like a year or so since she got her power. If I recall correctly, Oscar "died" about a year ago. If she was already a Superhuman by then, then she should've been able to stop the Wepwawet with her power. Not to mention, I also don't believe Met is Level 3. If he is, I don't have a problem with it because he's been a Superhuman just about as long as the MC. It just seems rather convenient that some many lone Level 3s are popping up with everyone stated it's extremely rare.

And yes, you're right. Technically speaking, if Laurie's power didn't grow much, MC would have 10 times more power than her. Since she had around 30 something and he has over 400 Power Points currently. So yeah, if Met is still Level 2 with say 60 power, it's possible that Charlie has around 600 power which still makes her statement true.

 

[Gtdead]

Couldn't the unnatural power boost mostly come from the extreme degree to which they are a genetic match for their apostle parents? Plus, these twins are in a fundamentally different situation, where pressure to grow stronger is higher than it is for the otherwise communal HERO organization, where the MC can mostly rely on others to back him up in a pinch, whereas if the twins drop they will likely let them die and just try again with a new pair of twins.

EDIT: Plus, we know that although there are average power levels at which evolution can occur, it doesn't strictly need to adhere to it, especially since we've seen people who have evolved multiple times in a matter of days. It's possible that they've evolved at higher power levels than the MC did, which results in them being stronger.

It could, but I have a few objections.
1) Can anyone really claim to have more genetic compatibility than MC who is literally connected to an Arbiter?

2) MC and Jake had similar growth rates and they had to deal with Ella. MC during his first 2 months had to fight a monsterfied superhuman, a level 2 (Danica) and Klaus who had his power for far longer than him. Jake had to use his powers against level 5s and he was under constant distress due to the Mia situation. Shen on the other hand seems to like positive reinforcement and Devana in particular seems of the happy-go-lucky sort. I doubt he was harsher than Ella.

I don't think Charlie is Level 4 myself. It would be odd that she's that powerful and it's only been like a year or so since she got her power. If I recall correctly, Oscar "died" about a year ago. If she was already a Superhuman by then, then she should've been able to stop the Wepwawet with her power. Not to mention, I also don't believe Met is Level 3. If he is, I don't have a problem with it because he's been a Superhuman just about as long as the MC. It just seems rather convenient that some many lone Level 3s are popping up with everyone stated it's extremely rare.

And yes, you're right. Technically speaking, if Laurie's power didn't grow much, MC would have 10 times more power than her. Since she had around 30 something and he has over 400 Power Points currently. So yeah, if Met is still Level 2 with say 60 power, it's possible that Charlie has around 600 power which still makes her statement true.

Hmm, I really thought that Charlie has been a superhuman for far longer. Oscar joined the Aldains about the time Klaus turned. So that's 6 months. Since then, another 6 months have passed. This is what the narrator during Michael vs Oscar

"They call a deep, long forgotten nostalgia to Oscar's fractured mind, and despite everything, his thoughts can't help but drift back through time."
"Reclaiming a level of clarity Oscar has not experienced in a long while."

"Long forgotten nostalgia", "long while". The narrator makes it sound like years. We also know that Charlie and the Wepwawet's corpse were gone after Oscar woke up.

So unless I've missed something, I don't think it's a stretch to think that Charlie has been a superhuman for quite a while longer than a year. Add to that the fact that children tend to take better to it, and we have a winning combination.

Another thing to consider is that "ten times stronger" could be something of a boast. She could be 5-6 times stronger instead. It's a low threat environment, for both Charlie and Met who just met someone familiar.

As for the level 3s in the building, of the new recruits, that would only be Met and there were probably at least 20 recruits there. The numbers check out according to Ella. So I don't find it that far fetched. But then again I have to leave every scenario open because it's not the first time MC has been wrong or the game tried to tell us something that just isn't true.

What can I say. The simple truth is that I'm still butthurt from MC's performance, so I'm looking for explanations

 

[Anything will do]

Does anyone have a save filed with a hybrid mc?
Like around 380+ power and 32+ skill points?

 

[DrakoGhoul]

It could, but I have a few objections.
1) Can anyone really claim to have more genetic compatibility than MC who is literally connected to an Arbiter?

2) MC and Jake had similar growth rates and they had to deal with Ella. MC during his first 2 months had to fight a monsterfied superhuman, a level 2 (Danica) and Klaus who had his power for far longer than him. Jake had to use his powers against level 5s and he was under constant distress due to the Mia situation. Shen on the other hand seems to like positive reinforcement and Devana in particular seems of the happy-go-lucky sort. I doubt he was harsher than Ella.



Hmm, I really thought that Charlie has been a superhuman for far longer. Oscar joined the Aldains about the time Klaus turned. So that's 6 months. Since then, another 6 months have passed. This is what the narrator during Michael vs Oscar


"Long forgotten nostalgia", "long while". The narrator makes it sound like years. We also know that Charlie and the Wepwawet's corpse were gone after Oscar woke up.

So unless I've missed something, I don't think it's a stretch to think that Charlie has been a superhuman for quite a while longer than a year. Add to that the fact that children tend to take better to it, and we have a winning combination.

Another thing to consider is that "ten times stronger" could be something of a boast. She could be 5-6 times stronger instead. It's a low threat environment, for both Charlie and Met who just met someone familiar.

As for the level 3s in the building, of the new recruits, that would only be Met and there were probably at least 20 recruits there. The numbers check out according to Ella. So I don't find it that far fetched. But then again I have to leave every scenario open because it's not the first time MC has been wrong or the game tried to tell us something that just isn't true.

What can I say. The simple truth is that I'm still butthurt from MC's performance, so I'm looking for explanations

From my understanding, the timeline is like this.

1 - Danica gains her power 2 years ago.

2 - She reached Level 2 in a couple of days.

3 - A couple of months to a year goes by from then and Oscar's becomes a superhuman.

4 - A full year goes by from Dani's perspective and she fights Oscar, getting seriously injured.

5 - Klaus and Danica hunt him down and he joins their group. This leads into the Aldain Arc in a few months.


So between 3 and 4, Charlie gained her power. So that's about around a year worths of time. Depending on how long she was an orphan and who turned her. Now, there's definitely the growth rate being higher for kids but it's questionable that she outpaced everyone to reach Level 4, including Ella and her kids. Only way I can see that is if she already knows her requirements. Level 3 Charlie isn't a problem since a year's worth of time is about accurate for reaching Level 3, if all goes well.

 

[harem.king]

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I'm just going to leave this here.

I noticed, but I assumed it is some sort of sameface syndrome

 

[PerpetuallyAmiss]

Can some one tell me what happens if you betray the Ella doll? I'm too soft to do it...Full sized Ella can catch hands, but the doll has cute privilege.

 

[KingAgamemnon]

Can some one tell me what happens if you betray the Ella doll? I'm too soft to do it...Full sized Ella can catch hands, but the doll has cute privilege.

You lose fleshlight Ella privileges. (currently nothing happens i think, come back in a future update)

 

[Gtdead]

From my understanding, the timeline is like this.

1 - Danica gains her power 2 years ago.

2 - She reached Level 2 in a couple of days.

3 - A couple of months to a year goes by from then and Oscar's becomes a superhuman.

4 - A full year goes by from Dani's perspective and she fights Oscar, getting seriously injured.

5 - Klaus and Danica hunt him down and he joins their group. This leads into the Aldain Arc in a few months.


So between 3 and 4, Charlie gained her power. So that's about around a year worths of time. Depending on how long she was an orphan and who turned her. Now, there's definitely the growth rate being higher for kids but it's questionable that she outpaced everyone to reach Level 4, including Ella and her kids. Only way I can see that is if she already knows her requirements. Level 3 Charlie isn't a problem since a year's worth of time is about accurate for reaching Level 3, if all goes well.

Looked at Oscar's monster report and this checks out more or less. Oscar retired from army at 25 yo, and a few months later he got attacked. As of the time the report came out (I guess it came out sometime between the casino and the arc's climax), he is 26 yo. This can help creating a range.

1) Oscar dies during day 42. We are currently in day 120 and we have about 2 months of timelapse, so about 5 months have passed since his death.

2) The most time possible between being 25 and 26 yo is 24 months (first day of 25 to last day of 26). However the monster attacked a few months after his retirment. Let's say 4. So the most he could be a superhuman up to his monster report is 20 months.

3) He joined the Aldains when Klaus was still in his infancy, so he was a member for about 3 to 4 months, let's say 3. So the least he could be a superhuman 3 months plus his time as a bodyguard before Danica found him ("several months", let's say 5). That would be 8 months.

4) So he could have been a superhuman anywhere from 8 to 20 months.

5) Assuming that it took a couple of months for Charlie to turn, and as of today MC knows her for about 5 months, she has been a superhuman anywhere from 11 to 23 months. I'm inclined to take the average and say 17.

Assuming that she had a progression exactly similar to MC:


MC reached level 3 after 5 in real time, with 300 power, ~50 days of real time have passed since then and he has accumulated 100 power, so 2 power per day or 60 per month.

So Charlie with the exact same progression could have around 1020 power today if she had been a superhuman for 17 months. It's unlikely that she would be as fast as MC, so perhaps around 700 would be a more appropriate number.

So when she says that she is 10 times stronger than Met, if she is precise, Met has around 70 power. If not and she just boasts, then I could see Met being a level 3 with 120-150 power.

Can some one tell me what happens if you betray the Ella doll? I'm too soft to do it...Full sized Ella can catch hands, but the doll has cute privilege.

She is sneaky and won't be caught easily. She warns you about her elusiveness, still trains you but you miss the chance to check variables associated with her romance. So you are probably locked out of the romance but the doll will stay regardless, for as long as the story demands it.

Btw there are two variables associated with her. One is if you hated her or not, and the other is if you had feelings for her or not. You have to say that you had feelings for her in order to check the "romella" variable. I'm not sure how the hate/like will play out though. The way I understand it, the "romella" is the important one. The other may affect dialogue or scenes, but the romance will continue anyway.

The earlier threaten/accept choice does not change anything.

 

[lg545]

Well, when you really put out what Laurie has and how important she could be to the plot, it amounts to miniscule gain.

When you really look at her kit and her position in HERO, it's absolutely safe to say she'll be irrelevant going forward. She's not like Alice, Michael, Deryl and MC. They all have unique things that uplifts them. If Laurie was a much better fighter or had something that heavily tied into the plot, then maybe I could see her being important in the future. She, unfortunately, doesn't have anything which is why she was killed off by Jared.

Well, Laurie can get her 3-d evolution (like Danica did). I mean she was 2 lvl for 2+ years and during Battle of Diamonds show some neat skills. After 3-d evolution she could become a great support unit for our squad

Her monster parent likely is some random B Class or lower monster so it likely plays no part in the later game.

Well, Malic example show that parent monster does not matter (his was C rank monster) and now he is top 2 member in HERO

 

[DrakoGhoul]

Well, Laurie can get her 3-d evolution (like Danica did). I mean she was 2 lvl for 2+ years and during Battle of Diamonds show some neat skills. After 3-d evolution she could become a great support unit for our squad

Well, Malic example show that parent monster does not matter (his was C rank monster) and now he is top 2 member in HERO

No, Laurie was only Level 2 for a couple of months to around a year before her injury. She also isn't as mentally tough as Danica. There's a high chance she would fail her evolution(s), if she goes the natural route like Dani. Not to mention, being "support" isn't needed with Deryl on our team.

Malik also isn't the great example you would think he is. Nico's boast, while sounding good at the time, ignores several factors. The main one being that he had decades to reach that point. Do you think Laurie has decades of time to not only reach Level 5 naturally but accumulate that large power pool he has? Malik also worked his ass off too. Fighting in wars and such. Laurie hasn't done any of that and got injured brutally by Jared.

Laurie would have to be on the same level of importance as Deryl, Michael, Alice and Tiffany for her to accomplish anything like that in the story. For me, I doubt she has it. Especially since it's been like 2 to 3 updates now and she's still out of it. It doesn't even matter if she got the evolution serum to reach Level 3.

 

[Gtdead]

There actually exists a very good niche for Laurie. She and Danica have similar powers. Both cause 1HKOs but their powers are a bit opposite. Laurie infects and crystalizes, Danica deals huge unstoppable physical damage. Anything that Danica can't naturally kill, Laurie should be able to take care of.

So a sniper team consisting of those two could take care of vast variety of encounters. Danica will be the main damage dealer,, focusing on stronger enemies, but Laurie is better at dealing with swarms of weaker monsters.

Additionally, if Danica is able to create a huge wound on something, but can't kill it outright because it's too big, Laurie can probably infect the wound, making the infection more potent.

Of course I don't expect this scene to happen anytime soon, due to how difficult it is to have both Danica and Laurie alive at this point. Danica has to deal with the Eye telling the player to eat her and being a bitch in general, Laurie has to deal with high stat requirements.

But I agree that in the great scheme, she doesn't really have much to do. Best case scenario for main event participation is to add a "win" point in some great battle.

 

[TerminusPrime]

There actually exists a very good niche for Laurie. She and Danica have similar powers. Both cause 1HKOs but their powers are a bit opposite. Laurie infects and crystalizes, Danica deals huge unstoppable physical damage. Anything that Danica can't naturally kill, Laurie should be able to take care of.

So a sniper team consisting of those two could take care of vast variety of encounters. Danica will be the main damage dealer,, focusing on stronger enemies, but Laurie is better at dealing with swarms of weaker monsters.

Additionally, if Danica is able to create a huge wound on something, but can't kill it outright because it's too big, Laurie can probably infect the wound, making the infection more potent.

Of course I don't expect this scene to happen anytime soon, due to how difficult it is to have both Danica and Laurie alive at this point. Danica has to deal with the Eye telling the player to eat her and being a bitch in general, Laurie has to deal with high stat requirements.

But I agree that in the great scheme, she doesn't really have much to do. Best case scenario for main event participation is to add a "win" point in some great battle.

The eye is only telling the MC to consume if he's high corruption. The low corruption route is to find allies.

 

[lg545]

Doubt he will take Years like the H.e.r.o. higher ups if nothing else than just because it would make kind of a boring story to follow unless the story has some unprecedented massive time jumps, a whole lost in space section where MC gets teleported to some far off monster overrun ruined world where he has to constantly fight, kill and absorb monsters to survive. Until he finds a fissure in spacetime or is found... and then comes back to exact his vengeance. No nvm too fanfictiony...

Well, evolution should feel like it was deserved, instead of coming out nothing. My guess - at least 3 arcs with tough (close yo death) Boss fights. Dont forget that 4-th lvl is already lieutenant tier which is already OP

 

[lg545]

Personally, I think it will be the Twins arc, then an short in-between arc with Tiffany/Claudia cause Tiffany is a little wierd atm, then we have an Aldain arc. And after that I want to say is a riot arc where the tension between HERO and the public/government gets out of control

My guess there would public World Government Congress session where congressman would vote about "Government supervision over HERO"
MC (and couple others from HERO) would join debates as witness (as public face for HERO)
Also, my guess Elijah would give proofs against HERO
At by the end of the session monsters or\and SIN would launch attack on this place

 

[lg545]

Is there any info on the big update ?
Has WeirdWorld set a date for the next update?

Wait at least 3-4 months

Why are the twins better then the mc again? ~

Where they were better? Sister is no match for MC and Brother has inconvenient powers for MC

 

[lg545]

No, Laurie was only Level 2 for a couple of months to around a year before her injury. She also isn't as mentally tough as Danica. There's a high chance she would fail her evolution(s), if she goes the natural route like Dani. Not to mention, being "support" isn't needed with Deryl on our team.

1. Couple months - this is time when MC join Hero (his education period was about couple months. Yep. Time skip). Lauri already was lvl 2 when Jake took her under control (and from what she tell us - she was full fledged Agent and a part of HERO at least for a year at this point of time)
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2.On contrast with Dani who get her assassin missions once per month at best - Laurie hunt monsters on daily basis as a part of her Agent duties
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3.Whole Laurie thing during Battle of diamonds is about find resolve in herself to fight against Monster far stronger then herself and make her best to put it down (help Alice in the process). Something like this require mental toughness
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4.There is different kind of Support, you know. Laurie at lvl 3 probably would make any wound on our opponent a living hell for him

Laurie hasn't done any of that and got injured brutally by Jared

And this is a perfect material for character arc

Additionally, if Danica is able to create a huge wound on something, but can't kill it outright because it's too big, Laurie can probably infect the wound, making the infection more potent.

Yep. Laurie is a huge debuff dealer.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

1. Couple months - this is time when MC join Hero (his education period was about couple months. Yep. Time skip). Lauri already was lvl 2 when Jake took her under control (and from what she tell us - she was full fledged Agent and a part of HERO at least for a year at this point of time)
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2.On contrast with Dani who get her assassin missions once per month at best - Laurie hunt monsters on daily basis as a part of her Agent duties
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3.Whole Laurie thing during Battle of diamonds is about find resolve in herself to fight against Monster far stronger then herself and make her best to put it down (help Alice in the process). Something like this require mental toughness
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4.There is different kind of Support, you know. Laurie at lvl 3 probably would make any wound on our opponent a living hell for him

And this is a perfect material for character arc

Yep. Laurie is a huge debuff dealer.

1. Yes, a couple of months. Laurie says so to the MC herself. Not sure what your point is here. This further proves my point anyway because Jake, MC, Alice and the others outpaced her and they had their powers for less time.

2. The monsters Laurie hunts are weak monsters that are suited for her power. The water monsters she hunted with MC and Del. The Dani point wasn't even about training. It's about her mental state.

3. And during said Battle of Diamonds, you'll see her fold when it was something that her power couldn't affect. Her helping Alice doesn't mean she's mentally tough all of a sudden.

4. No shit, but MC doesn't need that kind of support. Michael alone can do what Laurie does with his radiation. Only difference is, he can actually fight.

This whole Laurie thing amounts to certain fans wanting her to be more important than she actually is to the plot. If you think she can accomplish these things, then by all means continue to do it. I personally don't think she's going to have any major or supporting role in the future. Outside of a minor appearance here or there.

 

[Demandred20]

Malik also isn't the great example you would think he is. Nico's boast, while sounding good at the time, ignores several factors. The main one being that he had decades to reach that point. Do you think Laurie has decades of time to not only reach Level 5 naturally but accumulate that large power pool he has? Malik also worked his ass off too. Fighting in wars and such. Laurie hasn't done any of that and got injured brutally by Jared.

Point of order here. Can you reach level 5 naturally? Current info suggests that you have to go on some sort of "Hero quest" to do it the way its intended. It suggest there is more to it than just overloading your system that most of the normal 1-4 methods end up being. Case in point Ella who despite all her monster knowledge had no clue how to achieve it. Henri stumbled over it but even among the other 5s only a few and Xanthe seems to have an idea how it works and they are being pretty cagey with that info. Of course there is the serum but with the latest update the jury is still out on if it replicates the evolution perfectly. Bernhardt seems to think no but Henri is thinking that it probably does with differences is due to their background.