Dysphorika

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Ella is such a fucked up personality and we don't really understand her motivations yet but I think it would be entirely within her character to perhaps try to have a normal date with the MC just to experience something she never actually had as long it doesn't interfere in her plans.

And there's something that has been bothering me a bit about Ella, she switches behavior. If this is due to some reason we don't know yet (like, she actually has two different personalities due how she was "turned" - the real Ella and the monster Ella) or just the writing I can't tell. Perhaps I'm overthinking it.
Funny because I was mullying with the possibility that Ella has some split personality disroder (or bipolar or something the like).
 

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I liked it when the MC was a girl (FemMC)! So I liked the cheerleading route (I liked FemMC relationships with other girls (when MC was a girl) and FemMC lesbian sex with Tess)!

I hope there will be an opportunity in the game for the MC to remain a girl forever and as a girl (FemMC) she will have relationships (romance and intimate) with other girls!
(This will be possible?)
Probably won't happen permanently but the Fem Form does show up here and there outside of the cheerleader route. For those that want it, I think the chances are probably really slim. Not impossible but unlikely.
 
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To be frank, Ella was always known to be fucked in the head. The fact that she was turned and then reached lvl 5 in 5 years tells it all. There's no telling how much shit she saw and did to progress that fast. I'm not surprised that she gets off on the extreme stuff and to be honest, I don't mind it. That's probably the reason she likes the MC so much. He, probably, reminds her of herself.

The MC is pretty insane too when you look at what he says and does. I feel like their mindset is why they're compatible with each other and capable of progressing so fast. You can't lose your mind if you were broken from the start.

That's just how I saw/see it though. Ella's, besides with monsters, going to have the craziest sex scenes in game. At least from the "human" side of the women.
Honestly, if this game didn't have a porn game side with harem route, and had been a more "classic" visual novel with no Dating Sim side to it, Ella would very likely be the girl the MC would end up with at the end of the game.
Don't get me wrong, whoever reads this, I'm not saying he doesn't pair up well with the others. Not at all. But as Drako pointed, there's a very particular connection between her and the MC. They are kin on a lot of points. So that makes it feel like they'd be the ones to end up together.

I liked it when the MC was a girl (FemMC)! So I liked the cheerleading route (I liked FemMC relationships with other girls (when MC was a girl) and FemMC lesbian sex with Tess)!

I hope there will be an opportunity in the game for the MC to remain a girl forever and as a girl (FemMC) she will have relationships (romance and intimate) with other girls!
(This will be possible?)
Permanently, very, very unlikely. Probably clearly not gonna happen, even.
But depending on how the story goes next, "she" could come back more often. For example, if the MC has to go on the run from the authorities instead of being captured and locked up like it's shaping up to be, then his female appearance would be a good way for him to be able to move around, as that form hasn't been outed...
 

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Honestly, if this game didn't have a porn game side with harem route, and had been a more "classic" visual novel with no Dating Sim side to it, Ella would very likely be the girl the MC would end up with at the end of the game.
Don't get me wrong, whoever reads this, I'm not saying he doesn't pair up well with the others. Not at all. But as Drako pointed, there's a very particular connection between her and the MC. They are kin on a lot of points. So that makes it feel like they'd be the ones to end up together.


Permanently, very, very unlikely. Probably clearly not gonna happen, even.
But depending on how the story goes next, "she" could come back more often. For example, if the MC has to go on the run from the authorities instead of being captured and locked up like it's shaping up to be, then his female appearance would be a good way for him to be able to move around, as that form hasn't been outed...
Just to add to the Ella discussion: she is the only other character who consistently breaks the 4th wall besides the MC. My opinion on whether she is the "most compatible" LI depends on what kind of MC you're playing. For example, I think a 0 corruption run leans more towards someone like Amber, Mia or even Claudia as the "main LI".
 

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Just to add to the Ella discussion: she is the only other character who consistently breaks the 4th wall besides the MC. My opinion on whether she is the "most compatible" LI depends on what kind of MC you're playing. For example, I think a 0 corruption run leans more towards someone like Amber, Mia or even Claudia as the "main LI".
That's why I mentionned my opinion on the basis of the game not being the way it actually is. A more linear story would have a different impact.
Also no corruption doesn't necessarily mean much. I play with basically no corruption (aside from 1 because Bailey :cry:), and yet I completely agree with Drako. The MC has a very "roll with it" attitude when it comes to weird shit, even sexually.
 

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That's why I mentionned my opinion on the basis of the game not being the way it actually is. A more linear story would have a different impact.
Also no corruption doesn't necessarily mean much. I play with basically no corruption (aside from 1 because Bailey :cry:), and yet I completely agree with Drako. The MC has a very "roll with it" attitude when it comes to weird shit, even sexually.
Huh, I feel the opposite way, actually. I mean, my 0 corruption save is drastically different from my full corruption save. Overall stats, public/government opinion, character relationships and, most importantly, side character/LI bodycount. My 0 corruption MC is not even an antihero, the guy is an actual hero, meanwhile full corruption MC has already embraced his villain status :KEK:
 

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Honestly, if this game didn't have a porn game side with harem route, and had been a more "classic" visual novel with no Dating Sim side to it, Ella would very likely be the girl the MC would end up with at the end of the game.
Don't get me wrong, whoever reads this, I'm not saying he doesn't pair up well with the others. Not at all. But as Drako pointed, there's a very particular connection between her and the MC. They are kin on a lot of points. So that makes it feel like they'd be the ones to end up together.


Permanently, very, very unlikely. Probably clearly not gonna happen, even.
But depending on how the story goes next, "she" could come back more often. For example, if the MC has to go on the run from the authorities instead of being captured and locked up like it's shaping up to be, then his female appearance would be a good way for him to be able to move around, as that form hasn't been outed...
Yep, it would be the case if it wasn't a harem with other LIs. Ella and the MC are the most compatible with each other. You knew the MC was into some weird shit when he happily got a blowjob from Mommy 4th, fucked himself with tentacles, fucked Bailey from her pussy to her mouth, and fucked a Minyak who had no arms and legs. Let's not forget the corpse at the morgue too... That's just the MC. There's no telling what Ella did prior to the start.

Just to add to the Ella discussion: she is the only other character who consistently breaks the 4th wall besides the MC. My opinion on whether she is the "most compatible" LI depends on what kind of MC you're playing. For example, I think a 0 corruption run leans more towards someone like Amber, Mia or even Claudia as the "main LI".
On the corruption route(very high or moderate amounts), they're definitely made for each other. They're both easygoing but also cold and ruthless if challenged. Only difference is the MC isn't bothered by the voice in his head. Ella on the other hand doesn't like the monsters in her head.

On the "pure"/0 corruption route I could see Claudia, Amber/Liz and Emily being the Main LIs. If it was that kind of game. There's some more people of course but you get what I mean.
 

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Yep, it would be the case if it wasn't a harem with other LIs. Ella and the MC are the most compatible with each other. You knew the MC was into some weird shit when he happily got a blowjob from Mommy 4th, fucked himself with tentacles, fucked Bailey from her pussy to her mouth, and fucked a Minyak who had no arms and legs. Let's not forget the corpse at the morgue too... That's just the MC. There's no telling what Ella did prior to the start.
The MC is very "Every hole is a goal".


On the corruption route(very high or moderate amounts), they're definitely made for each other. They're both easygoing but also cold and ruthless if challenged. Only difference is the MC isn't bothered by the voice in his head. Ella on the other hand doesn't like the monsters in her head.

On the "pure"/0 corruption route I could see Claudia, Amber/Liz and Emily being the Main LIs. If it was that kind of game. There's some more people of course but you get what I mean.
By the by, do you need very high corruption to get the messages readable from monster parent ? Because, after thinking about it, if I can have enough and still get me some trap booty... :BootyTime:
Basically what I'm asking is if I don't sacrifice the harem numbers, do you think I'd still have enough corruption to see cool lore shit ?
 

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The MC is very "Every hole is a goal".



By the by, do you need very high corruption to get the messages readable from monster parent ? Because, after thinking about it, if I can have enough and still get me some trap booty... :BootyTime:
Basically what I'm asking is if I don't sacrifice the harem numbers, do you think I'd still have enough corruption to see cool lore shit ?
Probably. I didn't manage to on my main but I killed way less. I'd say kill Danica at least if you don't want to kill Bailey early on. I didn't do that but that's probably what made me short on my corruption. I'm not sure what's the minimum required for every monster scene but I missed them all on my main because I was too short everytime.

As for Demi, you don't have to kill her at all really. She survived all the way to this update on my really high corruption playthrough so that shouldn't be a problem early on. I'd say go hybrid but kill npcs who you don't care for or think are irrelevant. Example being the guy at Hero's base who stops you before Deus.
 
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Probably. I didn't manage to on my main but I killed way less. I'd say kill Danica at least if you don't want to kill Bailey early on. I didn't do that but that's probably what made me short on my corruption. I'm not sure what's the minimum required for every monster scene but I missed them all on my main because I was too short everytime.

As for Demi, you don't have to kill her at all really. She survived all the way to this update on my really high corruption playthrough so that shouldn't be a problem early on. I'd say go hybrid but kill npcs who you don't care for or think are irrelevant. Example being the guy at Hero's base who stops you before Deus.
Well, technically you don't need to kill Bailey, since you get a point for absorbing her at her request... but that's a little bit later. I guess I'll have to test stuff out, but I don't really know where the corruption points are hidden...
 
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masonwile

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Meanwhile, I'm still inhaling copium for Alexis romance which probably has less than 5% chance of happening, currently.
Quite a lot to go yet, from Jared's dad to the big bad alpha we glimpsed in that one bad end. And seems like a/the HERO arc might begin now. Alexis (and Nico) might actually get proper romances.

Also overdosing on hopium for Danica's status. The future looking kind of spooky for me.
Want a couple more canisters of hopium? The last Danica affection point is unused, i.e. there are no affection checks after you obtain it. WW could have just forgotten it or abandoned that idea, but...

Moreover, MC's thoughts regarding Danica's monster suggest it is one of the big boys. For the pure players, Danica might have an important role against it, or in bargaining for its help.

Did the Liz lover route but when I did the amber scholarship arc all my Mc got was hugs from amber though her h scenes in the gallery seems to imply that you can be with both of them together either it's a bug or I don't know where i gone wrong.
You need to have at least 3 affection points with Amber when you start making a plan to get information from the Dean. This will unlock a choice to confess (MC's love) to Amber. Choose to confess, and you should be golden.

Teasing Amber with the prospect of marriage is recommended, but not necessary.

I guess I'll have to test stuff out, but I don't really know where the corruption points are hidden...
Somewhat difficult.

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This should work, theoretically. I've ensured all the events are available at the given point, but haven't tested whether they can be progressed fast enough simultaneously.
 
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Ok, got through whole game, unlocked any scene in galery and all that jazz.
Btw, turnes out that to unlock 3rd toilet/gloryhole scene you need to progress Demi questline. I think.

Anyway, the game is great. The story is turning out very well, not only for a porn game but just in general. It really got me hooked as to what's gonna happen next.

The scenes are really solid and numerous, tho somewhat lacking in anal variety. I guess that's not developers cup of tea.

Ella theory: she's trying to make MC evolve as much as she can with the end goal being that she can experience the freakiest sex ever.
 

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Will the next update really be the last one, or will it just be the end of the first episode? It seems to me that the game can develop into a dozen or so versions, especially since we are in the second stage of evolution so far, there are still a lot of sectors in which the story could be continued, it is a pity to think that the story may end soon.
 

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Will the next update really be the last one, or will it just be the end of the first episode? It seems to me that the game can develop into a dozen or so versions, especially since we are in the second stage of evolution so far, there are still a lot of sectors in which the story could be continued, it is a pity to think that the story may end soon.
Just the end of this storyline. We're probably moving toward the Hero side of the game, content wise, next.
 
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At last, near the precipice to see another step forward.
I've been waiting for Tiffany to become Superhuman ever since she stated her conviction to do whatever it takes to take over her father's reign.
A driven woman, willing to even lower herself to become the MC's partner and to put her life at stake just to achieve her goal.
And my drive to become the Apex Monster Heir by devouring all else.
Together, if Tiffany survives, We will become the Monster King and Monster Queen and rule all else.
The only next contenders of interest are Ella and Demi, with Ella's insatiable desire and determination, and Demi, with her powers to delude and obscure all else who opposes or interest her except the MC.
Though I loathe to admit, Demi might be a bit on the good side, which makes my interest wane a bit.
 

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Somewhat difficult.

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This should work, theoretically. I've ensured all the events are available at the given point, but haven't tested whether they can be progressed fast enough simultaneously.
This looks about right but the only thing is you can't progress Liz and Emily stuff at parts because the game cuts you off with story parts. I would say try to get through Liz faster than Emily's because you only really need Emily far enough for Angelina. It's best to prioritize Ange over Emily, at least early on.

I'll look through my saves, later. It's pretty hard to do while also not being a full on corruption monster. I might even do a fresh playthrough just to keep an eye on how many points should be had by certain points. I'll just list how many points/stats you should have before and after major events to have it simplified.
 
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Playing from a fresh start, it seems Emily's content stretches pretty far early on now. I didn't know this was the case. I might have to redo my main to get better efficiency. Since I romance her on my main. My corruption playthrough can probably stay the same.
 

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Anyway, the game is great. The story is turning out very well, not only for a porn game but just in general. It really got me hooked as to what's gonna happen next.
Welcome to the game's fanbase. Don't forget to ask for your member's card at the desk.

Ella theory: she's trying to make MC evolve as much as she can with the end goal being that she can experience the freakiest sex ever.
Hahaha not the endgoal but clearly an added bonus for her !

This looks about right but the only thing is you can't progress Liz and Emily stuff at parts because the game cuts you off with story parts. I would say try to get through Liz faster than Emily's because you only really need Emily far enough for Angelina. It's best to prioritize Ange over Emily, at least early on.

I'll look through my saves, later. It's pretty hard to do while also not being a full on corruption monster. I might even do a fresh playthrough just to keep an eye on how many points should be had by certain points. I'll just list how many points/stats you should have before and after major events to have it simplified.
Let us (or me) know if you figure it out. With the earlier base, you might actually be able to make a somewhat perfectly accurate guide for those scenes. I'll wait until you see if you can figure it out (or give up if that's too annoying :KEK:) to try my hand at it, especially since you seemed to have reservation on the guide provided.
 
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This looks about right but the only thing is you can't progress Liz and Emily stuff at parts because the game cuts you off with story parts. I would say try to get through Liz faster than Emily's because you only really need Emily far enough for Angelina. It's best to prioritize Ange over Emily, at least early on.
Emily's Corrupt point is available far earlier than Liz'. Angelina's too, but that is wasted if you don't have 10 or more Corrupt points. Liz' point is available too late.

Specifically, Emily's point is available one day before the big Minyak fight, and it will push you up to 7 Corrupt, which is the minimum to make the Minyak submit.

As I mentioned in my original post, I've ensured all the events can be performed at the given point in the basic timeline I've provided. What I haven't tested is whether you can rush all the events simultaneously. I'll leave that to you guys.

I'll just list how many points/stats you should have before and after major events to have it simplified.
Bash:
$ grep "corrupt >" *.rpy
day13.rpy:    if corrupt >= 1:
day18.rpy:if corrupt >= 2:
day19.rpy:if corrupt >= 2:
day19.rpy:if corrupt >= 2:
day20.rpy:    if corrupt >= 2:
day26.rpy:    if corrupt >= 3:
day33.rpy:if corrupt >= 2:
day40.rpy:if corrupt >= 2:
day41.rpy:    if corrupt >= 7:
day50.rpy:        "Submit to me" if minyakquestion == 4 and corrupt >= 7:
day57.rpy:if corrupt >= 10:
day58.rpy:if corrupt >= 3:
day58.rpy:if corrupt >= 6:
day59.rpy:if corrupt >= 3:
day61.rpy:    if corrupt >= 3:
day64.rpy:        "Kill her and take her memories" if corrupt >= 16:
day64.rpy:        "Kill her and take her memories" if corrupt >= 12:
day69.rpy:if corrupt >= 15:
day70.rpy:if corrupt >= 16:
day71.rpy:if corrupt >= 17:
day72.rpy:if corrupt >= 18:
day73.rpy:if corrupt >= 19:
day74.rpy:if corrupt >= 20:
day75.rpy:if corrupt >= 6:
eventscheerleader.rpy:    if corrupt >= 3:
eventsdemi.rpy:    if corrupt >= 10:
eventsdemi.rpy:        "Kill [demiher]" if corrupt >= 6:
eventsemily.rpy:        "Kill everyone here" if corrupt >= 6:
eventsgym.rpy:        "Eat the monster's corpse" if corrupt >= 10:
eventsliz.rpy:    if corrupt >= 2:
eventstraining.rpy:    if corrupt >= 1:
eventstraining.rpy:        "Kill him" if corrupt >= 6:

$ grep "corrupt +" *.rpy
day12.rpy:    $ corrupt += 1
day13.rpy:    $ corrupt +=1
day1events.rpy:    $ corrupt +=1
day40.rpy:$ corrupt += 1
day40.rpy:$ corrupt += 1
day40.rpy:$ corrupt += 1
day41.rpy:    $ corrupt += 2
day41.rpy:    $ corrupt += 1
day50.rpy:    $ corrupt += 1
day50.rpy:    $ corrupt += 1
day50.rpy:    $ corrupt += 1
day50.rpy:    $ corrupt += 1
day53.rpy:$ corrupt += 1
day59.rpy:$ corrupt += 1
day59.rpy:$ corrupt += 1
day61.rpy:    $ corrupt += 1
day61.rpy:    $ corrupt += 3
day61.rpy:    $ corrupt += 1
day64.rpy:    $ corrupt += 1
eventsdemi.rpy:    $ corrupt += 1
eventsdemi.rpy:    $ corrupt += 1
eventsemily.rpy:    $ corrupt += 1
eventsgym.rpy:    $ corrupt += 3
eventsliz.rpy:    $ corrupt += 1
eventsliz.rpy:    $ corrupt += 1
eventstraining.rpy:    $ corrupt += 1
eventszombie.rpy:    $ corrupt += 1
If you want more context, just use -C 10 or something.
 
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