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EDIT: Does anybody else think Ella is directly responsible for MC's mothers death and his scars?
Extremely implausible. Ella is far too young and only had her powers for a couple of years. And it would be far too big of a coincidence for her to be responsible for MC's mom
Ya I love Ella, she's only ever helped us.
Yes!
Gonna be real, I will never understand the hate for Jake. I get him going against the MC and fucking up Mia's brain was kinda fucked, but the Mia situation was unintentional. As for the Prison Arc, he only followed Ella's orders in order to restore Mia's memories. Not to mention I'm pretty sure Ella quite literally shapeshifted into MC and acted like an asshole towards him to make Jake think MC didn't like him. That part where Jake got Amber and Liz to show him their tits is weird but MC kinda does some weird shit like that too (given you chose to shapeshift into a girl and go inthe cheerleader's locker room.) After you beat him, he tries to help in any way he can and just keeps to himself for the most part. I honestly just see him as another victim of Ella's BS, which is more than I can say for Cole, who's just a douche through and through.
Yea... Jake only helped make me stronger.
Literally the only person I care about that he really fucked up is Mia...
By accident...
And she is his beloved childhood friend.
While for me, she was this cute girl I met twice
 

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Extremely implausible. Ella is far too young and only had her powers for a couple of years. And it would be far too big of a coincidence for her to be responsible for MC's mom

Yes!

Yea... Jake only helped make me stronger.
Literally the only person I care about that he really fucked up is Mia...
By accident...
And she is his beloved childhood friend.
While for me, she was this cute girl I met twice
Man MC's mom is a rather interesting character (and yeah Ella couldn't have killed her, the amount of time of when she gets powers and MC Mom's death doesn't line up) we don't know much about her other than the fact she was a stripper, she met MC's dad at a stripclub (I think), she was lazy (I think MC says that), and that she's dead.

I don't think she's connected to any of the game's events tbh she was more than likely just a regular person who got unlucky but it's possible she knew what MC's dad was doing.

The idea of Ella possibly being our friend because of shapeshifting is new to me, and it's unsettling. Ella was on her 4th evolution when MC met her, and MC was just another normal human so it's more than likely that's how she knows what she knows because she accessed MC's memory. But Ella being MC's dad, well that's just gonna make me second guess everything from now on, until we meet MC's dad later and confirm if he is another human or not. What if it was Ella who got MC into that school, so that MC could make connections with Alice and Tiffany and Michael and H.E.R.O., also it's unrelated to that but who the fuck is the Shopkeeper and why is nobody asking any questions about him?

Is he the actually the devil? Because he has connections to Charlie, so that must mean he at least knows about Ella too. He took a liking to MC as well, just who the fuck is he and what is he
The theory about MC's dad being replaced by Ella is also farfetched as we know he does important work (government related so it makes sense why he is gone for so long) and I believe when MC is brought to the stripclub with him we see Ella briefly there (I think) and we know MC's dad was in the club too talking to someone (might be wrong about the talking part, but I'm sure MC knew where he was)
 
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Extremely implausible. Ella is far too young and only had her powers for a couple of years. And it would be far too big of a coincidence for her to be responsible for MC's mom
Ella gained her powers at a faster rate than even the HERO agents did, and has been taking care of the orphans from even before she was infected herself.... And how much value you can give to timelines if you're talking about a shapeshifter?
MC can change in any of the people he has eaten and even has access to their memories... So i would not be so sure about anything involving Ella...
 

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Ella gained her powers at a faster rate than even the HERO agents did, and has been taking care of the orphans from even before she was infected herself.... And how much value you can give to timelines if you're talking about a shapeshifter?
MC can change in any of the people he has eaten and even has access to their memories... So i would not be so sure about anything involving Ella...
Well just think about it from the flashbacks we've seen and the few times the MC has talked about the accident/his mom. We know for a fact he has had his scars for quite a long time and during a flashback (after the slap fight with Deryl) we know the two of them met in Middle school, the MC had scars then (the amount of time is unknown but its most likely for a while now even before middle school). We don't know how old Ella is exactly but she's around the same age as MC and she got her powers around the time she was in middle school, we don't know the exact year she got them though when she was in middle school.

From that bit of information there's no way Ella was involved at least from the current info we have.
 
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Ella gained her powers at a faster rate than even the HERO agents did, and has been taking care of the orphans from even before she was infected herself.... And how much value you can give to timelines if you're talking about a shapeshifter?
MC can change in any of the people he has eaten and even has access to their memories... So i would not be so sure about anything involving Ella...
Her shapeshifting ability is irrelevant. We know she is the same age as two other girls, who were her classmates in school when she got her powers.
 

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Her shapeshifting ability is irrelevant. We know she is the same age as two other girls, who were her classmates in school when she got her powers.
Damn forgot about her 2 friends (Emily and Christie) when replying to vogelbeest. Yeah even with her shapeshifting it doesn't negate the timeline that has been built. With all we know it's easy to conclude with certainty that Ella couldn't have been involved, the time simply doesn't add up.

Not to mention the fact we don't even know if MC and Ella were even in the same sector as each other when MC's mom died (and even if she was she wouldn't of had powers at that time).
 
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From that bit of information there's no way Ella was involved at least from the current info we have.
From the information we have there is no reason to assume she was involved with MC's mothers death. But from the game it's sure Ella knows MC before MC meets her and gets infected.


Her shapeshifting ability is irrelevant. We know she is the same age as two other girls, who were her classmates in school when she got her powers.
We know Ella's identity as the schoolgirl confirmed by her classmates. We know her alter ego is only known to one of them as a stalker client at the stripclub. So how sure are we really what her age is? What identity is the original?
Her shapeshifting is a factor that can't be neglected, identity theft can mess up any theory on Ella you might think impossible based on the assumption Ella is the original Ella...

But even if she really is Ella the timeline could work. It's pretty simple, Ella is a few years older than MC, she was infected around 14, if MC's mother got killed around when MC was 12 she had her powers already... So just by using that timeline it's just not as impossible as you think.
 
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We know Ella's identity as the schoolgirl confirmed by her classmates. We know her alter ego is only known to one of them as a stalker client at the stripclub. So how sure are we really what her age is? What identity is the original?
Her shapeshifting is a factor that can't be neglected, identity theft can mess up any theory on Ella you might think impossible based on the assumption Ella is the original Ella...
It is technically possible, but extremely implausible, that literally everything we know about Ella is a carefully crafted lie.
Where she spent years pretending to be a bullied muggle teen girl to create an ironclad fake identity and gaslighting her friends whom she genuinely cares about.
 

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From the information we have there is no reason to assume she was involved with MC's mothers death. But from the game it's sure Ella knows MC before MC meets her and gets infected.




We know Ella's identity as the schoolgirl confirmed by her classmates. We know her alter ego is only known to one of them as a stalker client at the stripclub. So how sure are we really what her age is? What identity is the original?
Her shapeshifting is a factor that can't be neglected, identity theft can mess up any theory on Ella you might think impossible based on the assumption Ella is the original Ella...

But even if she really is Ella the timeline could work. It's pretty simple, Ella is a few years older than MC, she was infected around 14, if MC's mother got killed around when MC was 12 she had her powers already... So just by using that timeline it's just not as impossible as you think.
Well there's a few ways to explain how she knows MC:

A) She got the information about MC from Dave.
B) MC and Her have very similar powers and we know she can fix minds (as she did with Mia) and probably read them similarly to MC, going back to A she could of simply read Dave's mind to get a basic understanding of MC or any of his friends for that matter.

MC seems to be quite close or was to his original group of friends prior to going to his current school so they more than likely know quite a bit about him, Dave included.

We also have to factor in she's around level 3 or 4 when she first meets MC, she could of easily touched him without him looking at any point and learned all she needed about him.

I simply think as mrttao put it "extremely implausible" the timeline and the fact we don't know if they were in the same sector when MC's mom died really throws it all off. Something else we should note is that MC's dad probably has enemies due to his line of work which could explain the attack on his son/partner which resulted in his partner (MC's mom) death.
 
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You would also have to explain why Ella willing to share a scene involving MC and the girls she had been lying to for years so that they could act as a buffer for you not to suspect that she murdered your mom. Sure she is into weird sex stuff but why play a drinking game? She is already powerful enough to kill MC if he somehow randomly figured out she killed his mom so unless she needs MC specifically for her plan to work she is just wasting time and energy keeping up a decade old lie.

Also would MC even care if she killed him mom? Maybe at the time but with everything that happened since the start of the game it seems kind of....small?
 

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If I had to guess, that's either the MC failing at Evolution and turning into a monster or Ella's monster form that she created for fighting. Then again, it could be an unrelated monster or even some other superhuman.
 

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A) She got the information about MC from Dave.
B) MC and Her have very similar powers and we know she can fix minds (as she did with Mia) and probably read them similarly to MC, going back to A she could of simply read Dave's mind to get a basic understanding of MC or any of his friends for that matter.
Ella greets MC by his name when he first meets her, that gives me the impression she is used to greeting him, it's so common she does it automatically so that means she is used to being close to him on a first name basis...
That mechanism can't be a result from asking MC's friends or even from reading their memories.

Perhaps she can copy memories BUT she can not see MC's memories or he would have died several times already.
We know several dead ends MC can give too much information. So if she has free access to his memories this should not be a factor, most likely she can only get access to memories when she eats a person, but unlikely in the same way MC can see memories through touch... There's a reason Deus tells MC to keep his secrets from Ella, so memory reading by Ella is not a possible threat to MC.
 

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You would also have to explain why Ella willing to share a scene involving MC and the girls she had been lying to for years so that they could act as a buffer for you not to suspect that she murdered your mom. Sure she is into weird sex stuff but why play a drinking game? She is already powerful enough to kill MC if he somehow randomly figured out she killed his mom so unless she needs MC specifically for her plan to work she is just wasting time and energy keeping up a decade old lie.

Also would MC even care if she killed him mom? Maybe at the time but with everything that happened since the start of the game it seems kind of....small?
Let's pretend Ella did kill MC's mom, now I don't know about you but me personally I don't particularly care about what events occurred in my life up to whatever point i'm in. If I found out who killed my parent I'd go berserk on em even if they could splatter me into a trillion pieces.

Feels like a choice Weird would give us tho to go after Ella over it or drop it.
 
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Ella greets MC by his name when he first meets her, that gives me the impression she is used to greeting him, it's so common she does it automatically so that means she is used to being close to him on a first name basis...
That mechanism can't be a result from asking MC's friends or even from reading their memories.

Perhaps she can copy memories BUT she can not see MC's memories or he would have died several times already.
We know several dead ends MC can give too much information. So if she has free access to his memories this should not be a factor, most likely she can only get access to memories when she eats a person, but unlikely in the same way MC can see memories through touch... There's a reason Deus tells MC to keep his secrets from Ella, so memory reading by Ella is not a possible threat to MC.
Taking what Ella says when you first meet her with his friends if you select "Do we know each other?" she says she has seen the MC around before.

It's very likely she prior to actually talking to MC was targeting him to turn him into a superhuman and used Dave as a way in to actually speak to him. We know for a fact she was doing this with other guys as well, such as Dave, Jake, Deryl, Kenny, and the other Jocks.

Her calling MC by their name is just a simple result from her stalking of him as she thought he could be a good tool for whatever plans she has.

The above scenario is far more likely than it being because she killed his mom or took over his dad and replaced him, heck if I remember right she even admits that she was watching MC for a while now in her apartment.
 
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Taking what Ella says when you first meet her with his friends if you select "Do we know each other?" she says she has seen the MC around before.
Yeah, but that really doesn't explain calling him by his first name when she knows pretty much all of his friends, something we find out later when snooping around her house when we find a list with names there... So why would she greet MC by his name and greet the others there with "hi guys" when they're on that same list? Very simple, Ella has been closer to MC than the others, and not just observing but interacting.


The above scenario is far more likely than it being because she killed his mom or took over his dad and replaced him, heck if I remember right she even admits that she was watching MC for a while now in her apartment
Again, there's no info in the game that suggests Ella killed MC's mother. But that does not mean she did not kill her either.
It's a theory, we know the mother was killed, MC was attacked in the same incident and needed eye surgery and has scars around his eyes. Perhaps a monster attack? It would fit the theme of the game. Your father knows what happened, you were there but don't remember and your father will not answer your questions about the event.

MC's father has the habit of disappearing for months, Ella has a similar history.
MC's father pulled strings to get MC in the college that happens to be where HERO base is...
Ella infects MC, Jake, Kenny, and Michael all students of said school... Alice and Tiffany, the daughter of a HERO leader just "happen" to be there too... And Jared the son of the competion aswell...

MC being a student there is convenient for Ella, however it's unclear what purpose it would serve for his father.
Ella knows about MC fighting Kenny and apparently MC's father transferred MC to a private clinic after the fight...
MC's father just happens to pop up several times that just seem too convenient.... Short after the infection but also you investigate the stripclub together... Also Dexter knows your father....

So your father knows about superhumans, gets you into a school that's above a superhuman base and seems to be off radar except for some convenient (possibly?) coincidental moments around crucial events in the story...
MC's father being an alter ego of (or shape used by) Ella seems to be a possibility, but your father using you as bait to catch Ella is another one... (Brianna's inspector being Ella would fit there) But it's all just too connected to be just a coincidence...
 
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Of course she knows your name already

Daryl "I see you’ve brought someone"
show daryl n flip
show dave nt
Dave "Ha, yep. Let me introduce you to Ella."
show dave n
show ella nt
Ella "Hey guys, nice to meetcha. Hi [name]..."
"How does she know my name?"
You "Uh..."

menu:
"Hi":
call Hi from _call_Hi
"Do we know each other?":

And we find a list in her house later, your name on top but all your friends on it....

So "Hi guys" to all she knows but "hi MC" to you? That implies she knows you best, even if she observed all...
 

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And we find a list in her house later, your name on top but all your friends on it....
I don't recall finding such a list...but...
keyword is "later".
Specifically the only times you have been to her house is after she already turned you and them. unless you mean ALL, as in, including the ones who she didn't turn?
 

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Yeah, but that really doesn't explain calling him by his first name when she knows pretty much all of his friends, something we find out later when snooping around her house when we find a list with names there... So why would she greet MC by his name and greet the others there with "hi guys" when they're on that same list? Very simple, Ella has been closer to MC than the others, and not just observing but interacting.




Again, there's no info in the game that suggests Ella killed MC's mother. But that does not mean she did not kill her either.
It's a theory, we know the mother was killed, MC was attacked in the same incident and needed eye surgery and has scars around his eyes. Perhaps a monster attack? It would fit the theme of the game. Your father knows what happened, you were there but don't remember and your father will not answer your questions about the event.

MC's father has the habit of disappearing for months, Ella has a similar history.
MC's father pulled strings to get MC in the college that happens to be where HERO base is...
Ella infects MC, Jake, Kenny, and Michael all students of said school... Alice and Tiffany, the daughter of a HERO leader just "happen" to be there too... And Jared the son of the competion aswell...

MC being a student there is convenient for Ella, however it's unclear what purpose it would serve for his father.
Ella knows about MC fighting Kenny and apparently MC's father transferred MC to a private clinic after the fight...
MC's father just happens to pop up several times that just seem too convenient.... Short after the infection but also you investigate the stripclub together... Also Dexter knows your father....

So your father knows about superhumans, gets you into a school that's above a superhuman base and seems to be off radar except for some convenient (possibly?) coincidental moments around crucial events in the story...
MC's father being an alter ego of (or shape used by) Ella seems to be a possibility, but your father using you as bait to catch Ella is another one... (Brianna's inspector being Ella would fit there) But it's all just too connected to be just a coincidence...
I think the purpose it serves for his father is well...quite obvious? Its the best school in the world and if his son graduates from there any place would be willing to hire him.

I'm sure MC's dad knows how his son is and that if he doesn't help him his son won't get a good career (mind you this is assuming his dad isn't aware of superhuman fuckery).

The reason for all of these students like Tiffany, Alice, and Jared for being at the school is well...it's literally stated when the MC goes to the school that its the best in the world. Of course the daughter of the head of HERO would go there, Alice would go there for the benefits it brings as well, and Jared....well of course he'd go to the school as well. Simply put the best go here but in MC's case his dad pulled strings to get him in (much like some other students I presume Jared even with his talent he prob fucked with some people that in normal cases would get him kicked out...we even get to punch the dean as him but he doesn't get in trouble presumably because his dad took care of it)

We don't know enough about what the father does except the fact it's something for the government and he's gone often so that implies he's investigating something that requires him to be gone for long bouts of time similar in a fashion to Ella but that doesn't mean he's a avatar of her.

Also regarding the base under the school, I'm pretty sure Deryl says that only the best and brightest can go into the building but its more than likely even they don't know whats under it so I doubt some government official knows and if he does its the bare minimum but even the prime minister seemingly wasn't aware of HERO or what it was doing so I doubt MC's dad knew, it's kind of a reach that the dad is aware of that base or not. Hopefully it's explained how he and Dexter know of each other. Hell he could be a mole for Dexter or they worked briefly together in the past depending on how MC's dad govt job operates.
 
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