If it is true that she did it that's going to take a good bit of explaining, for example a very important and critical piece of information is what sector MC's mom's death was in and where was Ella at that time (Sector wise) we have no clue if Ella and MC were even in the same sector at the time of the incident which leads me to write off Ella entirely from the whole thing but again It'd be interesting if it were true.
Even if you only focus on the present there are still a few big issues like why did Ella feel the need to lie about her (alleged) killing MC mom, and why she kept the lie going for so long. There has never been a point in the story where MC could have killed Ella and we know she was manipulating others to get stronger (like Jake).... so instead of using Mia to drive you to get stronger why not use the fact she killed your mom? Surely that would drive you more than a girl you met a few months ago?
Even if someone wants to assume that Ella specifically needs MC for some plan (ignoring the list of people found at her apartment which includes people who dont evolve) why would she waste time hanging out with 3 girls shes been lying to for years and years while also setting up all the monster stuff she had not finished at the time? (Her plans that she recently finished but we haven't seen)
Speaking of that list and her apartment why would she have so many pills and be trying to infect so many people? That would only serve to bring attention to her (like it did). If she was looking for ANYBODY that fit certain (unknown) criteria it makes sense to take the risk of infecting randoms but if she had already murdered your mom and set up a fake persona then infecting random people makes no sense and trying to infect one of MC's few friends makes even less sense.
Even if you only focus on the present there are still a few big issues like why did Ella feel the need to lie about her (alleged) killing MC mom, and why she kept the lie going for so long. There has never been a point in the story where MC could have killed Ella and we know she was manipulating others to get stronger (like Jake).... so instead of using Mia to drive you to get stronger why not use the fact she killed your mom? Surely that would drive you more than a girl you met a few months ago?
Even if someone wants to assume that Ella specifically needs MC for some plan (ignoring the list of people found at her apartment which includes people who dont evolve) why would she waste time hanging out with 3 girls shes been lying to for years and years while also setting up all the monster stuff she had not finished at the time? (Her plans that she recently finished but we haven't seen)
Speaking of that list and her apartment why would she have so many pills and be trying to infect so many people? That would only serve to bring attention to her (like it did). If she was looking for ANYBODY that fit certain (unknown) criteria it makes sense to take the risk of infecting randoms but if she had already murdered your mom and set up a fake persona then infecting random people makes no sense and trying to infect one of MC's few friends makes even less sense.
Yeah I think it's a personal thing. Ella DEFINITELY has big plans for the future, but as the story has progressed, it's changed here and there.
We know she wanted to achieve Lvl 5 for the longest time, and she finally did so artificially. But upon obtaining it, she didn't receive a call presumably from Mother as a chosen one to carry out their will. If I'm not mistaken she mentions that it's up to us now, and that she's grown fond of us in particular.
We also know she has a list of peeps that she turns into superhumans based on potential and compatibility. So while the MC was NOT at the top of the list, nor the only one, she still liked that we were the one to pull through.
And then of course she's still collecting monster hearts and keeping a monster army and what have you do she STILL has a master plan, I just believe the 4th not selecting her as a sort of avatar made her plan less according, but not completely hindering it.
I guess what I'm trying to say is she really has no reason to be SOOO involved with the MC as people seem to think, and certain not enough to kill his Mom prior to ever meeting him in the first place, makes no sense. It makes more sense that she's just smitten with us to begin with, whether it be because we have the same monster parent, abilities, quirky lonerism, etc. We also go with the flow, as opposed to Jake's insecurity, Kenny's annoyment, Deryl's required hypnotism/obsession/monsterfication/jealousy, Cole's trying to fuck and rebelliousness, Charlie's brother obsession, etc. etc.
I'd much rather have control over a guy around my age, matching powers, easy to guide, friends with my friends, no crazy baggage, you get the gist.
Speaking of that list and her apartment why would she have so many pills and be trying to infect so many people? That would only serve to bring attention to her (like it did). If she was looking for ANYBODY that fit certain (unknown) criteria it makes sense to take the risk of infecting randoms but if she had already murdered your mom and set up a fake persona then infecting random people makes no sense and trying to infect one of MC's few friends makes even less sense.
She's not looking for anybody, she's looking for a Superhuman with a specific power that she needs for her unknown plan. Her candidates were the MC, Jake or the jocks that she infected with Minyak. Before she hit Evolution 5 she could have been a candidate herself, if she happened to evolve the proper power when she evolved. She didn't Evolve that power, the jocks couldn't handle being superhuman and turned into monsters and were killed, and the MC beat Jake, so the MC is the last person possible for her plan.
It's been theorized that power is a form of telepathy earlier in the thread, since that seems to be the only thing in common with the possible powers from those monster parents.
She had plans for all the people on her list. She had Deryl listed up higher than the MC, but we know she needed him to be infected so he could build things for her that she would need, but she ended up prioritizing whatever she's planning for the MC and infected him sooner.
I don't think she's infecting anyone at random, she has the ability to determine which monsters people are most compatible with, and she's specifically picking those she has a use for.
She had plans for all the people on her list. She had Deryl listed up higher than the MC, but we know she needed him to be infected so he could build things for her that she would need, but she ended up prioritizing whatever she's planning for the MC and infected him sooner.
I don't think she's infecting anyone at random, she has the ability to determine which monsters people are most compatible with, and she's specifically picking those she has a use for.
Wasn't the white friend with brown hair also on the list? Even if he wasnt he was still given a pill despite it not working because thats what he based his witchcraft/satanism claims on at the start of the game?
I guess what I'm trying to say is she really has no reason to be SOOO involved with the MC as people seem to think, and certain not enough to kill his Mom prior to ever meeting him in the first place, makes no sense. It makes more sense that she's just smitten with us to begin with, whether it be because we have the same monster parent, abilities, quirky lonerism, etc. We also go with the flow, as opposed to Jake's insecurity, Kenny's annoyment, Deryl's required hypnotism/obsession/monsterfication/jealousy, Cole's trying to fuck and rebelliousness, Charlie's brother obsession, etc. etc.
I'd much rather have control over a guy around my age, matching powers, easy to guide, friends with my friends, no crazy baggage, you get the gist.
Wasn't the white friend with brown hair also on the list? Even if he wasnt he was still given a pill despite it not working because thats what he based his witchcraft/satanism claims on at the start of the game?
Yes, the MC's friend Dave was given a pill, but he reacted poorly to it, and Ella killed the monster instead of letting it infect him.
That's also a little bit more proof that Ella isn't cartoonishly evil. She realized that Dave would have either died or turned into a monster, so she just didn't let it happen.
Since everyone is throwing some wild theories out there, how about this one:
The black monster we see in the "too strong too soon" bad end is actually the MC's mom in monster form. Due to an early monsterfication gone wrong, she lost control turned into a monster instead of a superhuman but still retained enough sense to flee instead of killing her family when she realized she had hurt her son. Ella seems to recognize that monster and despite instantly crushing the monster that was about to kill the MC, the black monster instead captures him and pulls him into some light, too bad we don't see what happens afterwards or what happened to Ella in that ending...
Yes, the MC's friend Dave was given a pill, but he reacted poorly to it, and Ella killed the monster instead of letting it infect him.
That's also a little bit more proof that Ella isn't cartoonishly evil. She realized that Dave would have either died or turned into a monster, so she just didn't let it happen.
Yeah I think it is also more potential proof that she isnt some infallible mastermind, if she was there would have been no need to give him one in the first place
Deus motives with the MC seems more like he's needed for the future he wants to come true. He most likely did all of that so the MC would get a higher position and better resources in the future. The reason why I think this is because all of Deus actions benefited the MC in some way.
He didn't reveal the MC's identity even though he probably knew it from the very beginning. That allowed the MC to get much needed battle training compared to the other Level 1s and 2s members at HERO, while keeping him off of HERO's radar when he was level 1.
Deus is the one that called the Elevator at HERO so the MC would be able to come in during Ella's infiltration(you'll notice he was standing in front of the elevator to call it before the MC fell in the base). He then told the MC to keep Ella at a distance with his secrets. This also later led to Dexter thinking highly of MC for being able to sneak in and for helping his daughter, Tiff, with all of her plotting.
He gave Valravn his heart so Val would be strong enough to make the MC seem like a bigger deal for his level. This gave him even more status in HERO and acceptance by the higher ups. As you can see, the MC became cozy with some of the Captains and Lieutenants. Even Nico was willing to make an exception for him, from her usual bias against anybody below Level 3. Xanthe is also giving him special treatment.
Deus also told Malik, and most likely the rest of them, that they'll be seeing the MC a lot after the Valravn fight. Which then sparked a friendship between Malik and MC. He was already friendly with Lexi and Clark so that basically solidified the MC's position in HERO.
Looking at it from that angle, Deus is actually only helping the MC. For what need? We don't know but it's probably not for bad reasons and he deemed it important enough that the MC needs to be well positioned. As for Ella, he's not her ally. If anything, I think he's just letting her do whatever because her plotting helps create plenty of golden opportunities for the MC and HERO. Once those dry up and the MC gets fat enough, Deus will most likely stop playing around and help HERO put a stop to Ella for real. Like he said, "I'm going to need her work finished if this mess is going to be sorted".
That said, this doesn't mean it's all correct. We don't truly know Deus intentions. While I don't think all of that above is coincidental, there's a chance it could be as well. Maybe he saw that he'll join Ella too and so is help the MC from his side. For all we know, he could be the other person Ella needs besides the MC. She did state she still needs two people. One of them is MC, obviously, so the other could possibly be Michael, Deus or even Nyx. We might find out next update.
Yeah I think it's a personal thing. Ella DEFINITELY has big plans for the future, but as the story has progressed, it's changed here and there.
We know she wanted to achieve Lvl 5 for the longest time, and she finally did so artificially. But upon obtaining it, she didn't receive a call presumably from Mother as a chosen one to carry out their will. If I'm not mistaken she mentions that it's up to us now, and that she's grown fond of us in particular.
We also know she has a list of peeps that she turns into superhumans based on potential and compatibility. So while the MC was NOT at the top of the list, nor the only one, she still liked that we were the one to pull through.
And then of course she's still collecting monster hearts and keeping a monster army and what have you do she STILL has a master plan, I just believe the 4th not selecting her as a sort of avatar made her plan less according, but not completely hindering it.
I guess what I'm trying to say is she really has no reason to be SOOO involved with the MC as people seem to think, and certain not enough to kill his Mom prior to ever meeting him in the first place, makes no sense. It makes more sense that she's just smitten with us to begin with, whether it be because we have the same monster parent, abilities, quirky lonerism, etc. We also go with the flow, as opposed to Jake's insecurity, Kenny's annoyment, Deryl's required hypnotism/obsession/monsterfication/jealousy, Cole's trying to fuck and rebelliousness, Charlie's brother obsession, etc. etc.
I'd much rather have control over a guy around my age, matching powers, easy to guide, friends with my friends, no crazy baggage, you get the gist.
"But upon obtaining it, she didn't receive a call presumably from Mother as a chosen one to carry out their will. If I'm not mistaken she mentions that it's up to us now"
yup. But our monster parent talks to us frequently, stuff like "remember" about jake, or after evolution. We are different, miles ahead of anybody in terms of ability and progress even when we are behind a few people in power. Not for long tho.
A) The MC's father had enemies and they wanted to take him out or take out those close to him.
B) The MC and his mother was at the wrong place at the wrong time (Monster attack or just a freak coincidence from some other person or group that attacked the wrong people).
C) Something that seemingly hasn't been considered yet was that the incident was a complete and utter accident on her own part which caused her death and her son's scars.
Personally I think it represents the third and fourth speaking through him but I could be wrong of course. It's possible that it was B and they were just in the wrong place at the wrong time but I don't think it was just any monster that caused it.
Personally I think it represents the third and fourth speaking through him but I could be wrong of course. It's possible that it was B and they were just in the wrong place at the wrong time but I don't think it was just any monster that caused it.
Personally I think it represents the third and fourth speaking through him but I could be wrong of course. It's possible that it was B and they were just in the wrong place at the wrong time but I don't think it was just any monster that caused it.
I don't think anyone is thinking the MC Mom death was mundane, but I'm dying on the hill that the Dad knows VERY little about what's actually going on via the Monster side of everything.
I think it was a coincidence that he sent the MC to that specific school, as all he was probably thinking at the time was to give his son a chance to not end up like him shifting around (ironic) like his Mother would've wanted. The most prestigious school in the best sector will do that for you.
I dunno I just have a gut feeling his washed up mannerisms isn't him being this insane plot twist know it all but rather just a "I just lost my wife and have a rebellious son" attitude just trying to get by through shady dealings to hold what limited power he had in his hay day before he was silenced for whatever he saw.
He probably saw the attack or figured out it was related to monsters through investigating and tried to either tell someone or dig deeper. Before H.E.R.O shut him up about it (not the government cause they were fuckin clueless) as to keep the whole thing a secret. It would explain why Dexter was also familiar with him, maybe he was impressed by his infiltration to gather info on the Mother's death the same way he respected the MC for helping gather info for Tiffany. No doubt the Dad knows more than he lets on obviously, but I don't think it's as much as knowing about the types of monsters, knowing we are a superhuman, knowing about lvl 5s, knowing about M-Corp's true thousands of soldiers, knowing about the school being a central hotspot for superhumans, etc. etc. If he did, the last person he would be investigating is his clueless friend the detective at a fucking strip club.
for example a very important and critical piece of information is what sector MC's mom's death was in and where was Ella at that time (Sector wise) we have no clue if Ella and MC were even in the same sector at the time of the incident
Indeed we do not know what sector they were in. We do know Ella has a history of disappearing for months but we do know when superhuman powers are involved many of these limits just are meaningless. Even without the use of monsters like that worm or the hexenring Ella can be present in a large number of sectors in the timespan of months...
But anyway, to go back to where it started : the question was if it was possible Ella was the one that killed MC's mother.
We don't have facts that suggests she did, we simply do not know what exactly happened.
Unless the father starts talking there's just not enough clues whatsoever...
So we have Ella, a shapeshifting superhuman you've never met, that greets you by your name when she is introduced to you. Clearly she is used to calling you by your name, she greets the others with "hi guys"... And later you find a list with names in her bedroom, yours on top but all your friends are on it... And several times later in the story she clearly shows signs of caring for you... So which personality has she been using around you before you meeting "Ella" and for how long? There's never any hints that suggests she cares for Deryl.... And he also was there when you first met...
Clear signs Ella has been close enough to you for a longer period, this girl is ruthless and hardly ever shows affection besides towards Christie and Emily, up to a point towards "her" orphans and apparently you.....
We know from Emily and Christie what happened with Ella. But only Christie really was around at the time Ella got powers.
That's a single witness for anything that happened between Ella getting her powers until the start of her last year of high school... All her other classmates she presumably killed... How accurate is Christie's story? Nobody but Ella can confirm...
This quote raises questions about the age/school system used : 14 seems to be considered early middle school?
We know MC starts University at age 18, we know Ella is 3 years older than Emily, we know Emily started high school when Ella and Christie were in the final year, we also know the band is put on hold when Emily starts University... Something really doesn't ad up here.... Middle school 11-14, high school 14 - 18.
If Middle school is 11 - 14 the game should have mentioned "late middle school" and the conclusion of MC hardly makes sense. There's no point in mentioning waiting till the last year, if everything happened in that year.....
Based on the Ella getting her powers early middle school means it's possible she killed MC's mother...
The conclusion of MC seems to be important for the story, a possible plot event...
But using the usual USA age system it seems MC's mother was killed one year before Ella got her powers....
SO the only conclusions we can make now is it's impossible and weirdworld messed up the timelines...
OR it's possible but middle school starts at 12... (But even in that case age 14 is not early middle school...)
Hmm... MC's father has been gone almost 2 years? So who has been close enough to MC for Ella to disguise in?
IF Ella used MC's fathers identity she must have been doing it for a long time to automatically blurt out MC's name as herself.
Then again she could have used the form of the twins or Deryl, however you didn't see Liz and Amber for a while either.
Seems unlikely since it's much harder if you need to keep up appearances to more than one person though...
And the story really doesn't give us many options... The shopkeeper perhaps? But he mostly calls you Charlie...
Also Ella hasn't been seen at her known residence for several years either according to Clark...
Is MC's father busy following Ella? Or has Ella been using his identity all these years? Or is it all just coincidence?
Either way Ella has been very busy past 2 years and so has your father....
And why does he return exactly on the night you're collecting his gun to go visit Ella?
Then meeting him again outside the stripclub where he just happens to follow Jeff and Brianna on their way to Klaus...
Eleven days passed before his mother returned? First day a babysitter was arranged, so 10 days of unexpected delay? What on earth happened? I'm afraid we really need more clues... Time to get into father's memories next time we meet!
Since everyone is throwing some wild theories out there, how about this one:
The black monster we see in the "too strong too soon" bad end is actually the MC's mom in monster form. Due to an early monsterfication gone wrong, she lost control turned into a monster instead of a superhuman but still retained enough sense to flee instead of killing her family when she realized she had hurt her son. Ella seems to recognize that monster and despite instantly crushing the monster that was about to kill the MC, the black monster instead captures him and pulls him into some light, too bad we don't see what happens afterwards or what happened to Ella in that ending...
The Monster from the Too Strong Too Soon bad end is the 7th, one of the supposedly dead numbered monsters. It also is the monster that infected Valravyn hundreds of years in the past, so it's not the MC's mom.
We're likely to find out more information about that monster as the game goes on.
None of this explains why she infected/involved Dave..... Why would she impersonate MC dad for years but then use Dave to get to you? Surely as MC Dad you could arrange a situation where MC and Ella are alone like say for example MC Dad (really Ella) gets a big titty goth stripper for MC.... Honestly Ella could even continue to impersonate his dad. This also gets MC earlier when he is around less super powered/influential people and is more likely to rely on Ella.
Why even infect Dave (a failure) at all? We know he was on the same list so she had to do some amount of research on him but he was still a 100% abject failure who would be dead if not for her? The idea that she is able to plan around and manipulate multiple different people but then involve people who we know didnt matter (her plan is working without Dave) seems kinda inconsistent.
What about Dexter? Does MC Dad know him or just Ella? Its clear that Dexter hasnt made any connection between the two because that would have been good to bring up at the meeting about her
The Monster from the Too Strong Too Soon bad end is the 7th, one of the supposedly dead numbered monsters. It also is the monster that infected Valravyn hundreds of years in the past, so it's not the MC's mom.
We're likely to find out more information about that monster as the game goes on.
Really? That one is the 7th? I must have missed something... didn't Valravn say that he had to check on the enemies of his lord when he bailed the first time the MC was fighting him in that alley? That would imply his lord was still alive no?
The Monster from the Too Strong Too Soon bad end is the 7th, one of the supposedly dead numbered monsters. It also is the monster that infected Valravyn hundreds of years in the past, so it's not the MC's mom.
We're likely to find out more information about that monster as the game goes on.
Wait are you referring to the Ending where Ella takes us to see Father (or Mother) but then the Unknown Monster shows up and murders Father only to kill you later? Ella does complain in shock that it can't be possible, but if it really was the 7th and the upper monsters are rated by strength, how on god's green earth did the 7th one shot the 3rd?
