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Here's what you originally said:You probably infected me then.
Sure, I can fact check that rainwake's optimal playthrough requires max relationship points with Emily.
Edit: Fun fact, Emily's romance is triggered during the sorority party (the one you play strip poker), and you can successfullly complete her route with as low as 7 relationship points.
I agreed, that picking Horn is the better choice. Here's what I said:I generally recommend to get the horn because the upfront power makes it easier to get Valravn's respect. If you use it solely for stat boosts, the horn allows you more flexibility than the eye. If you use it for the Aglaecwif's extra lore, then you need to do a high skill playthrough otherwise you will lack Valravn's respect and miss out on important content. This means you have to fight Michael using technique, and make sure you reach Valravn with 19 skill.
Here you go back on your earlier statement, because you speculate that there's an eventual greater payout if you don't give her the eye right now, but save it for the next time you meet her. So you recommend picking Eye + Right to avoid monster lady.The Horn & the Red Light monster (picking Right in SIN caves) seem to be necessary for both Purity and Corruption paths to meet the required stat thresholds for best Boss fight outcomes. Even if you can beat Valravn without Brianna's help in the Purity path due to 19 Skill, you'll be at 99 power (without the horn) for the Monster Deryl Fight.
For corruption, you need the horn to reach 83 power to beat Valravn w/out help (you'll have 18 Skill & I think doing the 1st Michael fight can give you that extra point in skill, but I don't know what other consequences you suffer from losing out on that early point in power). For the Monster Deryl Fight, you'll have 105 power & 29 Skill (without the horn), assuming you take Left path in SIN cave for +10 power & +3 Skill. But you'll be short 5 Power overall, compared to taking Horn and then picking Right in SIN caves
You can "savescum" to get Aglaecwif's lore, but this won't allow you to ask Valravn for the specifics because you will lack the variables. So even if you pick the eye in hopes to get more lore from Aglaecwif, without a skill playthrough you lose the extra content from Valravn since he won't talk to you.
I misinterpreted that for recommending: pick Eye and Left, for monster lore. And then get more lore from Valravn. As opposed to what I knew was better: picking Horn (+10 power) and Right for (+5 power, +3 skill).2) If the player has not met Aglaecwif while in possession of the eye, it may become relevant the next time he meets her. Since this meeting will take place at a later time, and MC will be more powerful, I think that a +10 power / +3 skill will not cut it. So I expect that if this scenario happens, the rewards will end up being more significant, which may change the optimal path for max stats.
Here's what I said:
Here you say picking Eye isn't good at the moment (which agrees with what I was saying):That's debatable....It's speculative, but I would not be surprised if saving Laurie, a superhuman with CC abilities, and special requirements to save, winds up paying dividends in the long run. Not unlike beating Valravn without Brianna's help.
Overall, I think the rewards for keeping certain characters alive and getting the best ending from fights has a bigger payoff than collecting lore. And it will probably continue to have a greater payoff moving forward...I would not be surprised if the story's true ending, depends on getting ideal outcomes and meeting very demanding stat cutoffs.
Here you admit that picking Eye for a greater long run payoff is speculationAgain I didn't speculate anything of the sort. You are not answering to something that I said. I never told anyone how to play the game or how dead or alive characters will affect it, The only recommendation I gave was that the eye isn't the optimal choice as of current update.
Perhaps you are confused and answering to someone else.
In summary:...the only actual point I've tried to make, which is speculation about the eye based on an educated guess after taking a look at the script.
You recommended Horn (+ Right). Then you speculated that Picking Eye + Right will have greater payoff in the long run. And you said something about if you pick Left, you get lore and then more lore from Valravn. I misinterpreted that as a recommendation that picking Eye + Left is better than Horn + Right. I argued what you're saying is speculative and said that Horn + Right is better because you get to meet stat cutoffs to secure an optimal Monster Deryl fight + save Laurie. Better a tangible reward than monster lore.
Of course, that's not what you said. You were speculating that Eye + Right might have a better long run payoff. I still stand by what I said: picking Horn + Right is better because optimal Monster Deryl fight + saving Laurie is a better reward than a speculative long run reward.
That was the whole argument.
There was some debate about the true requirements for getting a good Deryl fight and for saving Laurie, whether or not there is stat snowballing, importance of Affection, as well as the validity of the supporting evidence I used, but that's all off topic.