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MC will not be flying if she keep summoning bomb on his wing. It was shown that the bomb appeared so fast that even MC couldn't react to it and it's powerful enough to bomb his tails to pieces much less his wing. Realistically MC will be grounded by Devana bomb and forced to fight a 1v3 on solid ground.
1. MC can use his tails to suspend himself in the air.
2. MC can fly at Mach9 and rebuild his wings in an instant in his light form. Bombs aren't enough to force him to the ground if he doesn't want to.
3. Devana doesn't have any defenses (yet), so staying and spamming bombs just makes her a target for a stray tail.
4. She can't both use her bunker and spam bombs at the same time because she needs line of sight and MC can easily snipe her through slits because his tails are autonomous and can do the targeting themselves.
5. MC can just hide himself behind his huge tails and Devana won't have line of sight to bomb his wings

If Devana has the ability to just keep destroying MC's wings, then why didn't she when Evander was trying his damnest to connect? Instead she had her Bakunawa playing ping pong with him.

The only reason MC had trouble in this fight was because he had to protect his friends. Otherwise he would just use hit and run tactics and he has way higher mobility than the twins. He was forced to fight against 2 unknowns and Evander has a counter power.

There are a myriad things Devana can do to get better at fighting, starting with an armored suit, a way to fly by herself and creating monsters that are more glass-cannony so despite dying to a single hit, they pack a punch. Till she improves though, there is nothing

Having access to nuclear bombs or stronger monsters doesn't really mean anything for her combat power. She needs better applications.
MC also has enough firepower to penetrate pretty much anything with that spear form of his, but it's almost impossible to use in most fights because it needs time to build, enough space and a stationary target.
 

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You have to be a direct spawn from apostle to be a chosen, and Malik and Bern are definitely not it as they monster parents are pretty weak
They are definitely chosen by something...not apostles but they are bound to some vastly powerful entities. Whether they are spawns of those entities...probably not. Just as the MC is not the spawn of the entity that chose him...the weird eye thing without a name calling itself an origin.
 
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You have to be a direct spawn from apostle to be a chosen, and Malik and Bern are definitely not it as they monster parents are pretty weak
Not necessarily.
The Eye and MC are "Chosen" according to second evolution dialogue, yet he is the spawn of either Body or Memory, and MC can't be a chosen of any of them because the Eye is supposed to be higher in hierarchy.

Also the way the Eye speaks, is like MC is chosen by a God or something. It's very complicated and we don't have any information at all on how this works.
 

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Not necessarily.
The Eye and MC are "Chosen" according to second evolution dialogue, yet he is the spawn of either Body or Memory, and MC can't be a chosen of any of them because the Eye is supposed to be higher in hierarchy.
Man if the MC can keep his mind together while accepting that thing he will be something special...but I suspect that won't happen until 5th evolution. I kinda suspect that's what the the dangerous trials will be for.
 
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Man if the MC can keep his mind together while accepting that thing he will be something special...but I suspect that won't happen until 5th evolution. I kinda suspect that's what the the dangerous trials will be for.
I'm under the impression that perfectly joining with the Eye will be part of a high corruption ending. During the monster dreams while still in college, there's this:

Unknown "More."
Unknown "We need more."
You "H-Huh? *snore*"
Unknown "Every opportunity. Every single one. Always devour. Always."
Unknown "Our end requires it."

Feels like a fourth wall break because I have a hard time picturing how MC becoming all powerful will mean their "end" and even if we assume that it means MC will somehow change the divine status quo in a very grand manner, using the word "end" is a bit iffy.
Add to it that the Eye tells you that you need to consume in order to achieve the heights of power.
So it makes sense.
The non corruption endings will probably deal with the Eye in some other way.

As for the level 5 trials, I have some theories, but I think the crux of the matter will be for MC to formally inherit the Evolution trait. Of course I expect the Eye to play into this somehow but at this point I really can't tell to what degree.
 

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I'm under the impression that perfectly joining with the Eye will be part of a high corruption ending. During the monster dreams while still in college, there's this:

Unknown "More."
Unknown "We need more."
You "H-Huh? *snore*"
Unknown "Every opportunity. Every single one. Always devour. Always."
Unknown "Our end requires it."

Feels like a fourth wall break because I have a hard time picturing how MC becoming all powerful will mean their "end" and even if we assume that it means MC will somehow change the divine status quo in a very grand manner, using the word "end" is a bit iffy.
Add to it that the Eye tells you that you need to consume in order to achieve the heights of power.
So it makes sense.
The non corruption endings will probably deal with the Eye in some other way.

As for the level 5 trials, I have some theories, but I think the crux of the matter will be for MC to formally inherit the Evolution trait. Of course I expect the Eye to play into this somehow but at this point I really can't tell to what degree.
During Evolution 3 when it asks if you accept its proposal it tells you that it wants you to eat some people...so it might not necessarily require max corruption or very high corruption but eating people is its thing...you can probably still avoid a ton of corruption by using the helmet, etc. You might even be able to eat everyone you can and still remain under 30 I think and I don't think you have to eat the corpse of the monster stalking Angelina either. We'll have to see how it plays out when we do get to the end game.
 

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I wonder if SH2 will continue with the same MC...probably not if I had to guess because there would be too many variables to account for including end game, which SH will likely have a few different endings. For sequel I imagine probably unrelated story with different cast of characters with maybe small cameos.

But I mean I don't see how this game could end before MC reaches 5th evolution and given how long it took to get just from 3rd until now with 2 evolutions to go and likely several massive boss fights including the 5th evolution trials...I don't see how that can all be wrapped up before the end of this year when 1.0 is supposed to launch.
Na no need to worry about that SH 2 will be the same mc and the cast because WW already Stated multiple characters of ours still not getting their arcs Michael, Tiffany,Emily and even Ella has a lot of content left as he said in his stream.So simply saying these are only the characters arcs left apart from these multiple other things are left as well.Superhuman 2 will be about mc maybe the biggest difference would be some Big timeskip he wants to do.
 

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During Evolution 3 when it asks if you accept its proposal it tells you that it wants you to eat some people...so it might not necessarily require max corruption or very high corruption but eating people is its thing...you can probably still avoid a ton of corruption by using the helmet, etc. You might even be able to eat everyone you can and still remain under 30 I think and I don't think you have to eat the corpse of the monster stalking Angelina either. We'll have to see how it plays out when we do get to the end game.
This is fair, although keep in mind that the consumption thing hasn't been explored fully. For example during the 2nd evolution, Memory tells MC to consume Alice. If even a main LI is a potential consumption target, then you can see how it can ramp up and the difficulties in maintaining a playthrough that keeps all options open.

I'm in the process of making a guide that maximizes power and consumes all the necessary targets without getting past the 30 corruption limit. I'm not sure if it's going to be sustainable in the future, but it may yield some interesting results.
 

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1. MC can use his tails to suspend himself in the air.
2. MC can fly at Mach9 and rebuild his wings in an instant in his light form. Bombs aren't enough to force him to the ground if he doesn't want to.
3. Devana doesn't have any defenses (yet), so staying and spamming bombs just makes her a target for a stray tail.
4. She can't both use her bunker and spam bombs at the same time because she needs line of sight and MC can easily snipe her through slits because his tails are autonomous and can do the targeting themselves.
5. MC can just hide himself behind his huge tails and Devana won't have line of sight to bomb his wings

If Devana has the ability to just keep destroying MC's wings, then why didn't she when Evander was trying his damnest to connect? Instead she had her Bakunawa playing ping pong with him.

The only reason MC had trouble in this fight was because he had to protect his friends. Otherwise he would just use hit and run tactics and he has way higher mobility than the twins. He was forced to fight against 2 unknowns and Evander has a counter power.

There are a myriad things Devana can do to get better at fighting, starting with an armored suit, a way to fly by herself and creating monsters that are more glass-cannony so despite dying to a single hit, they pack a punch. Till she improves though, there is nothing

Having access to nuclear bombs or stronger monsters doesn't really mean anything for her combat power. She needs better applications.
MC also has enough firepower to penetrate pretty much anything with that spear form of his, but it's almost impossible to use in most fights because it needs time to build, enough space and a stationary target.
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I'm under the impression that perfectly joining with the Eye will be part of a high corruption ending. During the monster dreams while still in college, there's this:

Unknown "More."
Unknown "We need more."
You "H-Huh? *snore*"
Unknown "Every opportunity. Every single one. Always devour. Always."
Unknown "Our end requires it."

Feels like a fourth wall break because I have a hard time picturing how MC becoming all powerful will mean their "end" and even if we assume that it means MC will somehow change the divine status quo in a very grand manner, using the word "end" is a bit iffy.
Add to it that the Eye tells you that you need to consume in order to achieve the heights of power.
So it makes sense.
The non corruption endings will probably deal with the Eye in some other way.

As for the level 5 trials, I have some theories, but I think the crux of the matter will be for MC to formally inherit the Evolution trait. Of course I expect the Eye to play into this somehow but at this point I really can't tell to what degree.
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They are definitely chosen by something...not apostles but they are bound to some vastly powerful entities. Whether they are spawns of those entities...probably not. Just as the MC is not the spawn of the entity that chose him...the weird eye thing without a name calling itself an origin.
I'm sorry, could you point to the lines that made you think so? From Dead End 43 we get that Malik is "Completed, but kept whole by faith.", Henri is "Ascendant, yet still unborn." and Bernhardt is "Old, but somehow... Unbound". Where do you get that they've been chosen by something?
 
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I'm sorry, could you point to the lines that made you think so? From Dead End 43 we get that Malik is "Completed, but kept whole by faith.", Henry is "Ascendant, yet still unborn." and Bernhardt is "Old, but somehow... Unbound". Where do you get that they've been chosen by something?
The idea is a bit complex, but it looks like this:
1. Eisheth tells us that Bernhardt is the spawn of a fairly weak monster. MC tells us that fire monsters are dime-a-dozen and insinuates that Malik is one such spawn.
2. Vestige tells us that Henri possesses the power of a long forgotten deity.
3. Malik, Bernhardt and Henri are fairly equal in power
4. The Eye recognises those 3 as special entities
5. The word "Chosen" doesn't apply only to the Apostle Chosen, but to MC with the Eye too, as per 2nd evolution dialogue.

So based on all these and considering that Bernhardt/Malik did not start out as some sort of god-spawn, it stands to reason that those 3 are Chosen. The particulars are unknown at this point.
 

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The idea is a bit complex, but it looks like this:
1. Eisheth tells us that Bernhardt is the spawn of a fairly weak monster. MC tells us that fire monsters are dime-a-dozen and insinuates that Malik is one such spawn.
2. Vestige tells us that Henri possesses the power of a long forgotten deity.
3. Malik, Bernhardt and Henri are fairly equal in power
4. The Eye recognises those 3 as special entities
5. The word "Chosen" doesn't apply only to the Apostle Chosen, but to MC with the Eye too, as per 2nd evolution dialogue.

So based on all these and considering that Bernhardt/Malik did not start out as some sort of god-spawn, it stands to reason that those 3 are Chosen. The particulars are unknown at this point.
I am not gonna lie, that seems like a stretch on several points.
1) Though Henri posses the strength of a long forgotten deity, it's "born anew". Could it not mean that he simply fulfilled the same conditions for getting that power, without being chosen by anything conscious?
2) Why the assumption that the only way to equal the aforementioned strength is by being chosen by something? Couldn't Bernhardt and maybe Malik simply be gigachads whose strength grew to equal gods by their own efforts?

All in all, that seems like a fair theory, but I wouldn't say it's "definitely" true.
 

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I'm sorry, could you point to the lines that made you think so? From Dead End 43 we get that Malik is "Completed, but kept whole by faith.", Henri is "Ascendant, yet still unborn." and Bernhardt is "Old, but somehow... Unbound". Where do you get that they've been chosen by something?
Dead end 42 is what you need to see, not 43. When the MC evolves with the eye he realizes what the three main HERO agents are and he is stunned how they were allowed to exist. And there is an image of the three entities they are each bonded with...each matching the aura/ability of each of the three. Green crackling sphere pertaining to Bernhardt, the purple energy sphere of Henrick, and fire sphere of Malik. The only 3 NPCs that we know to have gotten their 5th evolution naturally are all chosen.
 

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Dead end 42 is what you need to see, not 43. When the MC evolves with the eye he realizes what the three main HERO agents are and he is stunned how they were allowed to exist. And there is an image of the three entities they are each bonded with...each matching the aura/ability of each of the three. Green crackling sphere pertaining to Bernhardt, the purple energy sphere of Henrick, and fire sphere of Malik. The only 3 NPCs that we know to have gotten their 5th evolution naturally are all chosen.
They are not bonded to anything... The spheres are merely representations of them so the player knows who the MC is talking about.

Nor are they chosen by anything. They are simply super strong freaks of nature. There is no proof that they are anything else.
 
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Dead end 42 is what you need to see, not 43. When the MC evolves with the eye he realizes what the three main HERO agents are and he is stunned how they were allowed to exist. And there is an image of the three entities they are each bonded with...each matching the aura/ability of each of the three. Green crackling sphere pertaining to Bernhardt, the purple energy sphere of Henrick, and fire sphere of Malik. The only 3 NPCs that we know to have gotten their 5th evolution naturally are all chosen.
Yes, that's the Dead End 43. As can be seen from the image, only Henri is what you'd call "doubled-up", with Bernhardt being all wind and Malik being all fire. That's just their powers, nothing indicating it's something that choose them.
 

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I am not gonna lie, that seems like a stretch on several points.
1) Though Henri posses the strength of a long forgotten deity, it's "born anew". Could it not mean that he simply fulfilled the same conditions for getting that power, without being chosen by anything conscious?
2) Why the assumption that the only way to equal the aforementioned strength is by being chosen by something? Couldn't Bernhardt and maybe Malik simply be gigachads whose strength grew to equal gods by their own efforts?

All in all, that seems like a fair theory, but I wouldn't say it's "definitely" true.
Won't disagree. Personally I don't care about the idea of "Chosen" that much. It seems like a lose title anyway. For example Aos is the Chosen of Ether, and Ether wants Alice to kill him and inherit Space. It's not like being a "Chosen" means much in the grand scheme of things, at least as far as we've seen. At most it may have to do with getting some gift from your patron (like Valravn), getting some extra knowledge (like Ella? not sure about this but there are indications) etc.

Thing is, that these "gifts" are the most tangible things we have in order to speculate on what being a "Chosen" means and that's thin anyway. So basically, unless we gain some new info, the big Trio being gifted power above their "station" is as good as any.

For your points specifically,
1) Henri is the inheritor of the same power that the king of Seahumans possessed. This is probably what the "born anew" was referring to, in a sense of "The power died with the Seahuman king, but it's born anew with Henri". Funny thing is that the eye calls him "Ascendant, yet still unborn". Also don't forget that Henri literally reached level 5 in a week, so expecting him to do much to "attain" this power is probably out of the question.

2) The lore of the game so far supports that being turned by a stronger monster makes you a stronger Superhuman. The only one who objects to this is Nico and truthfully, not only she is the dumbest character in the game, but her examples don't really work. For example she talks about training being the reason she is the best, but she doesn't even need more power to shoot someone to space than she did at level 3. From there on, there's Syla who says that lesser spawn can be dangerous because their evolutions may cook up some overpowered ability.
 
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Yes, that's the Dead End 43. As can be seen from the image, only Henri is what you'd call "doubled-up", with Bernhardt being all wind and Malik being all fire. That's just their powers, nothing indicating it's something that choose them.
They are not bonded to anything... The spheres are merely representations of them so the player knows who the MC is talking about.

Nor are they chosen by anything. They are simply super strong freaks of nature. There is no proof that they are anything else.
Those are not just their powers...those are clearly stated to be aberrations...the entities those powers came from...similar to the MC's eye. Nameless entities, unknown and not well understood but separate: 43-3.png
 
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