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You have 2 superhumans of similar circumstances, and one is so much more powerful that there is no contest, not just in skill but also in power pool. What's the difference between them?

MC is one such individual. He gains power significantly faster than anyone else.
2 months to surpass Laurie (2 years)
1 year to reach half Cole's power (7 years)
And Ella expects MC to surpass her shortly, which should be impossible considering that she is an Apostlespawn and a level 5 with 7 years of experience.

Is it so hard to imagine that sub-level5s that are abnormally strong also gain their powers from unique circumstances? Like connections to gods?
And if that's the case, it means that reaching level 5 is not the catalyst for this connection as it was always there to begin with.
Okay I'm going to assume a few things here. 1) With gods you mean Apostles. 2) This connection to them is in some way practical and the Apostles and the Spawn are aware of each other and actively do shit together. 3) This connection to them rises with corruption, since you can't even understand monster speech at low levels. You're gonna have a pretty hard time explaining Ella, Nyx and Malik.

Malik is a nat 5 and seemingly as human as they get in his attitude and everything. Probably the sole reason why he's still with us. Nyx is corrupt as fuck and had to use the serum. Ella is both pretty corrupt and abnormally close to the Apostles in every way imaginable. Still couldn't get to 5. Hell, Bernhard had to be told beings of the imperfect Eye's caliber exist by Xanthe. Dude seems genuinely unaware of Apostles or anything higher.

Perhaps it's just that some people adapted to monsterization better than others and that's all there is to it, no mystical connections needed?
 
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Wasn't it said by Xanthe or someone that Henri's experience was used to assist Malik and Bernhardt with final evolution?
Henri is probably that natural chimera with double the power. "Ascendant, yet unborn"? Vortex of power he's transformed half the time he's dreaming? Absorbed twin. Power of a forgotten deity? Outer twin or something else responsible for twin magic.
Dude probably managed to conquer some Vestiges to gather necessary things for those two to prepare for ascention.
 
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Okay I'm going to assume a few things here. 1) With gods you mean Apostles. 2) This connection to them is in some way practical and the Apostles and the Spawn are aware of each other and actively do shit together. 3) This connection to them rises with corruption, since you can't even understand monster speech at low levels. You're gonna have a pretty hard time explaining Ella, Nyx and Malik.

Malik is a nat 5 and seemingly as human as they get in his attitude and everything. Probably the sole reason why he's still with us. Nyx is corrupt as fuck and had to use the serum. Ella is both pretty corrupt and abnormally close to the Apostles in every way imaginable. Still couldn't get to 5. Hell, Bernhard had to be told beings of the imperfect Eye's caliber exist by Xanthe. Dude seems genuinely unaware of Apostles or anything higher.

Perhaps it's just that some people adapted to monsterization better than others and that's all there is to it, no mystical connections needed?
I wanted to tackle this in a more broader sense but it was going to be huge, so I'll just answer your points.

The word "connection" has been used under many circumstances. It happens during evolution (Valravn), it allows transfer of power from the planes (Eye during dead end), it allows communication between entities (Originator to spawn, Dreamer to dreamer) and it allows using mental abilities at range (routed through the inner planes). Additionally the level of this connection is kind of measurable, can be somewhat affected by corruption and spawn possessing multiple traits have more of it.

By gods I mean every divine entity, including Apostles, Arbiters, Great Ocean, Henri's forgotten god, the Tentacle thing in the monster world. So far we've seen connections to Arbiters (MC) and Apostles (MC, Michael, Alice). We may have also seen a connection to the Great Ocean (Amber).

Connections don't require corruption to happen. They exist since the spawn's infection. High corruption is described as making you more like a monster and it increases the frequency of the "voices". However there is absolutely no indication that it increases the potency of the effects that use these connections, like mental abilities and evolutions.

Ella, Malik and Nyx are all different.
Ella:
Meeting her after killing Jake, she says that level 5 is when the monsters know you are ready. Ella was deemed a failure by Memory when she completed her 3rd, so she will never be ready.

Nyx and the rest serum level 5s:
HERO agents avoid natural fifth evolutions because it's deemed dangerous. This is explained by Clark. So not only you have to actively look for some arbitrary requirements but they can kill you but completing them does not necessitate you will evolve, it just unlocks the potential.

Clark "There's a bunch of requirements leading up to it that'll probably kill you before your evolution even starts. Henri met his on accident, or so he tells me. Bernhardt and Malik sought them out afterwards."
Clark "But yeah, to answer your question, they didn't want us trying it. The evolving on its own is dangerous enough as it is, and even fulfilling those requirements don't guarantee it will happen or that you'll survive."


Malik (and the other 2):
Considering Ella's words that I mentioned earlier, the thing that makes the most sense to me is that these 3 have different (and easier) requirements. Consider Henri for a bit. If you are a forgotten god with a mangled line you can't be too picky about allowing your "Chosen" to claim your power. If on the other hand you are an Apostle, you have too many options. Even if your 100% purity Chosen fails, you can probably find a 90% purity one strong enough to do what you need to do.

And finally, the reason why I don't think they are just people who adapted better to "monsterization", is because the Eye recognises them and knows who they are. It's obvious that the Eye doesn't know who Malik is. He knows who the "Completed, but kept whole by faith" is and that he shouldn't be allowed to thrive or coexist with the other 2 for some reason.

When the Eye speaks to MC, he says this:
Unknown "I trust you'll figure it out soon enough."
Unknown "I mean, who can you trust, if not yourself?"

This points to the Eye considering itself and MC as the same entity and extends the same logic to the big trio.
 
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I wanted to tackle this in a more broader sense but it was going to be huge, so I'll just answer your points.

The word "connection" has been used under many circumstances. It happens during evolution (Valravn), it allows transfer of power from the planes (Eye during dead end), it allows communication between entities (Originator to spawn, Dreamer to dreamer) and it allows using mental abilities at range (routed through the inner planes). Additionally the level of this connection is kind of measurable, can be somewhat affected by corruption and spawn possessing multiple traits have more of it.

By gods I mean every divine entity, including Apostles, Arbiters, Great Ocean, Henri's forgotten god, the Tentacle thing in the monster world. So far we've seen connections to Arbiters (MC) and Apostles (MC, Michael, Alice). We may have also seen a connection to the Great Ocean (Amber).

Connections don't require corruption to happen. They exist since the spawn's infection. High corruption is described as making you more like a monster and it increases the frequency of the "voices". However there is absolutely no indication that it increases the potency of the effects that use these connections, like mental abilities and evolutions.

Ella, Malik and Nyx are all different.
Ella:
Meeting her after killing Jake, she says that level 5 is when the monsters know you are ready. Ella was deemed a failure by Memory when she completed her 3rd, so she will never be ready.

Nyx and the rest serum level 5s:
HERO agents avoid natural fifth evolutions because it's deemed dangerous. This is explained by Clark. So not only you have to actively look for some arbitrary requirements but they can kill you but completing them does not necessitate you will evolve, it just unlocks the potential.

Clark "There's a bunch of requirements leading up to it that'll probably kill you before your evolution even starts. Henri met his on accident, or so he tells me. Bernhardt and Malik sought them out afterwards."
Clark "But yeah, to answer your question, they didn't want us trying it. The evolving on its own is dangerous enough as it is, and even fulfilling those requirements don't guarantee it will happen or that you'll survive."


Malik (and the other 2):
Considering Ella's words that I mentioned earlier, the thing that makes the most sense to me is that these 3 have different (and easier) requirements. Consider Henri for a bit. If you are a forgotten god with a mangled line you can't be too picky about allowing your "Chosen" to claim your power. If on the other hand you are an Apostle, you have too many options. Even if your 100% purity Chosen fails, you can probably find a 90% purity one strong enough to do what you need to do.

And finally, the reason why I don't think they are just people who adapted better to "monsterization", is because the Eye recognises them and knows who they are. It's obvious that the Eye doesn't know who Malik is. He knows who the "Completed, but kept whole by faith" is and that he shouldn't be allowed to thrive or coexist with the other 2 for some reason.

When the Eye speaks to MC, he says this:
Unknown "I trust you'll figure it out soon enough."
Unknown "I mean, who can you trust, if not yourself?"

This points to the Eye considering itself and MC as the same entity and extends the same logic to the big trio.
This is just going in circles.

I particularly don't think the Eye knows shit, it just reads their auras/energy and makes deductions, but alright. Who are they bonded to?
 

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This is just going in circles.

I particularly don't think the Eye knows shit, it just reads their auras/energy and makes deductions, but alright. Who are they bonded to?
The Vestige has already talked about a forgotten deity that gave Henri and the Old Seahuman King their powers.
The assumption is that Malik and Bernhardt have similar circumstances and this is bad news to the Eye. Perhaps they were enemies in the long past. The Eye also seems very surprised to see these 3 at the same time.

I don't know who they are but I'm confident they aren't the same as the Apostles and their relatives.
 

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The Vestige has already talked about a forgotten deity that gave Henri and the Old Seahuman King their powers.
The assumption is that Malik and Bernhardt have similar circumstances and this is bad news to the Eye. Perhaps they were enemies in the long past. The Eye also seems very surprised to see these 3 at the same time.

I don't know who they are but I'm confident they aren't the same as the Apostles and their relatives.
Henri would be the only one I'd accept because yes, we have confirmation about it. The others, though? Nah. Would get pretty crowded pretty fast. But I guess we have the info that we have and it's pretty limited so we'll have to return to this later when we know more.
 

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Does anyone know how or why Bailey became bound to the MC and survived Kenny's death? She was one of many of Kenny's zombies, the MC fell in her slime and got a glimpse of her memories, the girl she used to be and how she died...but I don't see how that would help her survive. She was squished by the MC and if that weren't enough all the rest of Kenny's zombies died the moment Kenny died. I literally have no clue why she didn't and even if she had survived, why would she become completely loyal to the MC?
 

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Does anyone know how or why Bailey became bound to the MC and survived Kenny's death? She was one of many of Kenny's zombies, the MC fell in her slime and got a glimpse of her memories, the girl she used to be and how she died...but I don't see how that would help her survive. She was squished by the MC and if that weren't enough all the rest of Kenny's zombies died the moment Kenny died. I literally have no clue why she didn't and even if she had survived, why would she become completely loyal to the MC?
MC can devour consciousness/souls through brains. He quite literally ate her soul and thats why sticks around. She likely survived thanks to luck most likely. She's loyal to the MC because hes stronger than her.
 
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MC can devour consciousness/souls through brains. He quite literally ate her soul and thats why sticks around. She likely survived thanks to luck most likely. She's loyal to the MC because hes stronger than her.
Yeah but the soul sucking came later and it was at her own request because she did not want to be forced by the calls of the sea and the moon to go to one of those places(probably the deep ocean as I don't see how she'd get to the moon).
 

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Yeah but the soul sucking came later and it was at her own request because she did not want to be forced by the calls of the sea and the moon to go to one of those places(probably the deep ocean as I don't see how she'd get to the moon).
Perharps the reason she persisted after Kenny's death was that she also had significant compatability with a Minyak. Maybe she could have become a Minyak-Spawn if she wasnt made into a zombie. Who knows?
 
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Does anyone know how or why Bailey became bound to the MC and survived Kenny's death? She was one of many of Kenny's zombies, the MC fell in her slime and got a glimpse of her memories, the girl she used to be and how she died...but I don't see how that would help her survive. She was squished by the MC and if that weren't enough all the rest of Kenny's zombies died the moment Kenny died. I literally have no clue why she didn't and even if she had survived, why would she become completely loyal to the MC?
Probably she had more compatibility with Minyak than the regular zombies so she could maintain herself. Kenny is also "alive" inside MC if you eat him.
 
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I know that we have no idea about what are the actual requirements to a lvl 5 natural evolution but i have the impression that this is what Ella was talking about:
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The "list" she mentions could be the requirements for the natural evolution, maybe it's supposed to emulate regular evolution in a way, survival of the fittest and all. If that's the case Mc is doing well since he often fights stronger people.
Also i wonder your body also keeps track of your defeats, because i hope that by beating Cole we actually fucked his chances of ever achieving that, i would be glad :).
 

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I know that we have no idea about what are the actual requirements to a lvl 5 natural evolution but i have the impression that this is what Ella was talking about:
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The "list" she mentions could be the requirements for the natural evolution, maybe it's supposed to emulate regular evolution in a way, survival of the fittest and all. If that's the case Mc is doing well since he often fights stronger people.
Also i wonder your body also keeps track of your defeats, because i hope that by beating Cole we actually fucked his chances of ever achieving that, i would be glad :).
Yes. I too am absolutely convinced that is exactly what Ella was talking about. Though...Ella, man...I am confused beyond belief as to what she is. I genuinely have literally no clue if she is good or evil...I really want to hear from her exactly what the school massacre was about. We at least now know that she didn't do it herself, but was she responsible? Could she have stopped it before interfering to save Christie? I am far more willing to hear her out after learning she was one of Tanos' experiment subjects at 13 years old. And I don't know what the deal with the doll is...it seems incredibly powerful but just how powerful is that? Does she have all her old level 5 abilities? I have got to imagine she does because she was sleeping in the MC's jacket(or body when transformed I guess) during his fight with Cole and unless she's lying she thought Cole would win...she'd have to be level 5 to think she'd survive the complete disintegration of the MC's body if he lost while she was sleeping. And if she is that powerful, is that the real Ella pretending to be a doll of herself? For a while I thought the doll didn't have shapeshifting abilities but then she turned herself into a sex doll so she has those abilities too. But she claims the doll was made before she met the MC, so is the doll level 4 as she was?
 
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Might have already been answered, but is the game planning to be completed by the 1.0 ver( as in, is it going to be over soon>)?
 

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Might have already been answered, but is the game planning to be completed by the 1.0 ver( as in, is it going to be over soon>)?
I am hearing that 1.0 will be the end of Superhuman but not the end of the story as it will continue in Superhuman 2...at least that's what some folks are saying the main dev said. I guess time will tell for sure.
 

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uhh sorry if this ask before but can we add sex change jordan as i feel him will be better off as a women after that lady fall asleep during sex i know we can make him dick better but what turning him to a she
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Btw the response to your question is no

Also nobody ever asked this and probably never will.
Not to kinkshame or whatever this is but it ain't happening
 
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I have played through this update 3 times so far....most of it anyway, 2nd and 3rd times I only went as far back at the 4 word quiz until the end and holy crap, this update is so good. Literal 10/10 stuff. I still really hope more than anything that we can restore Liz and Amber as they were and maybe block off the memories of what Tanos did if we can...similar to how the MC has a ton of childhood memories blocked off we still know nothing about...maybe not the most moral way to deal with the issue but possibly the only way Liz and Amber can be freed from that kind of extreme trauma.

But so many positives to this update. The Cole fight was insanely good...the MC finally gets to vocalize the exact words a large part of the fanbase have been feeling about Cole for a long time. I probably would have preferred he died, I am not sure he deserves to end up as an experiment of Tanos but I also have a hard time feeling any degree of sympathy for him after he tried to kill Liz and Amber at the very end of the fight...even fully knowing what they had been through and what they had survived that jackass wanted to vaporize them. That moment erased any and all sympathy I may have gained from learning his story growing up.

And possibly the biggest star of the update was Deryl, that campfire party in the cave he set up was the best thing...and just seeing Amber snap out of her trauma for just a bit to rail against Deryl having cheated on her and later even smiling towards the end of the party was so good to see. Deryl was happy to see her snap at him too because he understood the good it did her to at least momentarily forget about the horrors she had been through. Not to mention how much Deryl helped during the fight with Cole. All of that is top notch character redemption for a character that started to get on a lot of people's nerves as of late.

A lot of new info about Ella too that at least partially paints her in a new light. I still want a lot more answers before I'm willing to say she isn't just pure evil but I am a lot more willing to hear her out when the time for answers comes.

But I am lot more worried about Michael becoming a problem...this update makes the dude seem like he was always more machine than human even long before he became a superhuman. Him admitting to the MC that he has no idea how to relate or empathize with people, and the whole story about how he lost his virginity as well as the way he answered Amber's question about dealing with memories just made it seem like he had never in his life experienced any genuine human emotions. He did say that he trusts the MC to be his moral compass guide so you know...no pressure. My own MC I played as a cold immoral bastard until the Amber and Liz situation snapped him out of it so my MC being Michael's moral guide feels like the blind leading the fool. I do hope that if he ever becomes an enemy we can redeem him.

And last but not least, Alice relationship is still the best.
 
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Yes. I too am absolutely convinced that is exactly what Ella was talking about. Though...Ella, man...I am confused beyond belief as to what she is. I genuinely have literally no clue if she is good or evil...I really want to hear from her exactly what the school massacre was about. We at least now know that she didn't do it herself, but was she responsible? Could she have stopped it before interfering to save Christie? I am far more willing to hear her out after learning she was one of Tanos' experiment subjects at 13 years old. And I don't know what the deal with the doll is...it seems incredibly powerful but just how powerful is that? Does she have all her old level 5 abilities? I have got to imagine she does because she was sleeping in the MC's jacket(or body when transformed I guess) during his fight with Cole and unless she's lying she thought Cole would win...she'd have to be level 5 to think she'd survive the complete disintegration of the MC's body if he lost while she was sleeping. And if she is that powerful, is that the real Ella pretending to be a doll of herself? For a while I thought the doll didn't have shapeshifting abilities but then she turned herself into a sex doll so she has those abilities too. But she claims the doll was made before she met the MC, so is the doll level 4 as she was?
I can't get the image of a tiny ella just snoozing ,whilst everything around her is exploding, out of my head

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