New Kid

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Truly it depends how he would of handled it.

He could of easily had a point in their two separate paths that merged the 2 in a similar pathing later (variations of the same scene type beat)

Would've taken time but not that much more (thats just the scenes themselves not fights, that could add to it)

Although personally the time thing doesn't bother me considering how long he pumps into making em already (his work hours are insane).

While that scenario could be interesting, there's no way that WW could merge the one we got now and a Klaus one, the differences would be way too much for both to reconcile at any point due to a lot of reasons, but mainly:

1. Joining Klaus would make Alice and Michael hostile to us, and we would probably have to kill them in the climax of the arc (Damn that would be an awesome fight lol).

2. Charlie would be a lot more trusting towards us if we were working with Oscar, and that would throw a major wrench on Ella\SIN's.

3. We probably would have been recruited way earlier into HERO due to Klaus' dealings with Xanthe, and worked more closely with Tifanny too.

Just one of these alone would already make it a nightmare to integrate both paths into one, and this is just from the top of my head, I imagine that a lot more problems would start to crop up under more scrutiny, so yeah I have to agree that it was for the best that WW scrapped the idea.
 
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ItzSyther

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While that scenario could be interesting, there's no way that WW could merge the one we got now and a Klaus one, the differences would be way too much for both to reconcile at any point due to a lot of reasons, but mainly:

1. Joining Klaus would make Alice and Michael hostile to us, and we would probably have to kill them in the climax of the arc (Damn that would be an awesome fight lol).

2. Charlie would be a lot more trusting towards us if we were working with Oscar, and that would throw a major wrench on Ella\SIN's.

3. We probably would have been recruited way earlier into HERO due to Klaus' dealings with Xanthe, and worked more closely with Tifanny too.

Just one of these alone would already make it a nightmare to integrate both paths into one, and this is just from the top of my head, I imagine that a lot more problems would start to crop up under more scrutiny, so yeah I have to agree that it was for the best that WW scrapped the idea.
Well time to toss this in here since Weird already said on stream just a few hours ago (cause I asked and was still curious about da what ifs):

MC would've joined SIN if Klaus option remained (very unlikely what we have now would've even happened).

Idk how Weird would handle the HERO stuff if MC was apart of SIN but its nice to know what would've happened (who he'd join)
 
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lorkdubo

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Well time to toss this in here since Weird already said on stream just a few hours ago (cause I asked and was still curious about da what ifs):

MC would've joined SIN if Klaus option remained.

He said it would've been a lot of work which is the main reason he didn't go with it (well beyond the fact the game blew up) but thats what would've happened if he did decide to keep it in.
The decision to dictate the game direction to the people was bad, and it was good that it returned to WW. The last decision that was decided by vote was the Kenny one, right? If the other option was selected, and i remember it was a close one? It would have been a bitch to fix meaningfully.
 

ItzSyther

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The decision to dictate the game direction to the people was bad, and it was good that it returned to WW. The last decision that was decided by vote was the Kenny one, right? If the other option was selected, and i remember it was a close one? It would have been a bitch to fix meaningfully.
Nah the last 'decision' was the Ella one.

To bring Ella in to help against Klaus or go it alone.
 

3D Novelist

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What I'm wondering about this game. Except from the training which you have to do in time to not die, do I also have to do the character story events in time before they get unavailable do to main story continuation?
 
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What I'm wondering about this game. Except from the training which you have to do in time to not die, do I also have to do the character story events in time before they get unavailable do to main story continuation?
Not necessarily, before the mall event, where you go with everyone to the mall, you can choose to not go there yet and finish all the remaining everyone's story... After that, I don't think you can access it for a while iirc
 

3D Novelist

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Not necessarily, before the mall event, where you go with everyone to the mall, you can choose to not go there yet and finish all the remaining everyone's story... After that, I don't think you can access it for a while iirc
oky, just making sure. Becuase before the Frat Party I only trained and after that I'm not sure how much time I have before the story continues in a major way again.
 

JmTrad

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Is this game good? I have been told that only people with high IQ's are permitted to play it and that I will be kilt if retard
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Is awesome, i hope you enjoy with us too.

What I'm wondering about this game. Except from the training which you have to do in time to not die, do I also have to do the character story events in time before they get unavailable do to main story continuation?
The game will let you do all side quests before going to the mall. There will be a warning.
 

Eumm

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Ella is really weird. If MC did not meet her expectation, she would just kill him. If MC went much beyond her expectation, she would not hesitate to sacrifice him. But when MC asked for her help and followed her instructions, she showed her care and even said something like "I wish you the best outcome even I could not get mine". She is just weird. Although I realy like Ella a lot, MC totally should distrust whatever she said.
 
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Ella is really weird. If MC did not meet her expectation, she would just kill him. If MC went much beyond her expectation, she would not hesitate to sacrifice him. But when MC asked for her help and followed her instructions, she showed her care and even said something like "I wish you the best outcome even I could not get mine". She is just weird. Although I realy like Ella a lot, MC totally should distrust whatever she said.
Indeed, and to think at the beginning, she was a quiet person with glasses, perfect for shitty brats target bully and all that. Makes me really wonder how she ended up that way. Her journey to lvl 1 to 4.
 

harem.king

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You are kinda blowing it out of proportion. Klaus didn't know that by helping his father he would do so much damage to Alice's family, that's all Dietz. From there on, there has been an ongoing war between Aldermans and Aldains and he is Aldain's second in command. Being an asshole is pretty much the job description. Alice isn't that much better than him if you look at her from her enemy's point of view (which is how we look at Klaus). For all we know, Klaus could be right about Marcus taking advantage of Aldains. Uplifting and taking advantage of someone aren't mutually exclusive things.
The problem with your fantasy is that it is confirmed as false by klaus.
Yes, there could have been a story written where klaus innocently shares this with his father.
But this is not this story.
In this story he knows. never shows the slightest bit of remorse. and keeps on doubling down on it with every interaction since
 
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Sayajin2205

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The problem with your fantasy is that it is confirmed as false by klaus.
Yes, there could have been a story where klaus innocently shares this with his father.
But this is not this story.
In this story he knows. never shows the slightest bit of remorse. and keeps on doubling down on it with every interaction since
Not to mention his rapist tendencies and other stuff he was a full prick with no loyalty at all.Alice and the Alderman atleast show loyalty to their people.
 

KKStrider

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The problem with your fantasy is that it is confirmed as false by klaus.
Yes, there could have been a story written where klaus innocently shares this with his father.
But this is not this story.
In this story he knows. never shows the slightest bit of remorse. and keeps on doubling down on it with every interaction since
Gtdead's idea of Klaus isn't a fantasy, it's what Klaus' juvenile mind believed at the time. Klaus' own dialogue to Markus and his private memories as the MC kills him confirms this. He was innocent at first, he did legitimately not realise just how much shit he would cause for Alice by doing this. He wasn't a Machiavellian schemer as a kid, he was an afterthought, a neglected and sickly child who likely didn't know shit about how the underworld he lived in functioned due to explicitly being kept socially isolated by his prick of a father. Hell, he even technically didn't lie to Alice about what he wanted the formulas for. Dietz promised him the exact same thing she did: make him strong and heal his body. He even outright told her he needed the dose for the sake of his family.

His only friends are two peak humans raised on the stuff, Alice and fucking Michael of all people. Why wouldn't the delicate little flower daddy keeps hidden away and probably underinformed - because why waste effort on a worthless heir - not go for it? His friends are miniature super soldiers, both Dietz and Alice are promising him the formulas will cure him, and he's gets to help his family like his beloved Alice says is so important to dedicate her existence to it and a taste of that precious strength Michael says is the reason for his existence.

Klaus' descent into being a prick came after, as he went from nothing to second-in-command of the Aldains. As a result he underwent tutelage under the morally bankrupt to be the kind of monster a role like that entails. He internalised what he was taught by those he was surrounded by, both during and before the betrayal. Kid Klaus didn't talk about superiority justifying seeing others as worthless, Danica did. Kid Klaus didn't worship strength, nor did he have any ambitions to carry his family on his back or delude himself into thinking being stronger would bring people who forsook you crawling back if you just had enough of it; the former came from Michael, the latter two Alice. Kid Klaus didn't have rapist tendencies, Dietz did.

Adult Klaus a synthesis, a dark reflection of some of the greyer characters we've come to accept - even love - and a carrier of the will of a character we now hate so much more than before. None of this absolves him for what he did, doesn't change the beast he became, and indeed doesn't change the fact that he doubled down every time he was called out. That he refused to ever accept responsibility for what his actions caused. But it does make saying kid klaus knew what would happen feel disingenuous, and the idea that he felt no remorse ever wrong. Even as an adult, he seems to know he's just making excuses, as his dialogue box shows he genuinely pauses when Markus makes an effective rebuttal to his claim that the Aldermans exploited the Aldains, before doubling down one last time.

Klaus is not a one-dimensional backstabbing snake of a villain who knew what he was doing from the start. In the end, he died with an apology on his lips as he looked at Alice whilst fading, the narration stating he regained his humanity for one final moment. You can't regain something if you never had it to begin with.
 

Zoranian

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Just started the game
Do the CGs style change? I'm seeing a "different" kind of them than the one in the screenshots.
 

KKStrider

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Just started the game
Do the CGs style change? I'm seeing a "different" kind of them than the one in the screenshots.
The style improves as you get further in the game. Earlier CGs and skill checks will be redone on update 1.0, though that's a while away. The story is well worth it though; this is one of those games that could stand on its own even even without the pornography.
 
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