Ella is really weird. If MC did not meet her expectation, she would just kill him. If MC went much beyond her expectation, she would not hesitate to sacrifice him. But when MC asked for her help and followed her instructions, she showed her care and even said something like "I wish you the best outcome even I could not get mine". She is just weird. Although I realy like Ella a lot, MC totally should distrust whatever she said.
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Indeed, and to think at the beginning, she was a quiet person with glasses, perfect for shitty brats target bully and all that. Makes me really wonder how she ended up that way. Her journey to lvl 1 to 4.
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The problem with your fantasy is that it is confirmed as false by klaus.
Yes, there could have been a story written where klaus innocently shares this with his father.
But this is not this story.
In this story he knows. never shows the slightest bit of remorse. and keeps on doubling down on it with every interaction since
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Not to mention his rapist tendencies and other stuff he was a full prick with no loyalty at all.Alice and the Alderman atleast show loyalty to their people.
Gtdead's idea of Klaus isn't a fantasy, it's what Klaus' juvenile mind believed at the time. Klaus' own dialogue to Markus and his private memories as the MC kills him confirms this. He was innocent at first, he did legitimately not realise just how much shit he would cause for Alice by doing this. He wasn't a Machiavellian schemer as a kid, he was an afterthought, a neglected and sickly child who likely didn't know shit about how the underworld he lived in functioned due to explicitly being kept socially isolated by his prick of a father. Hell, he even technically didn't lie to Alice about what he wanted the formulas for. Dietz promised him the exact same thing she did: make him strong and heal his body. He even outright told her he needed the dose for the sake of his family.
His only friends are two peak humans raised on the stuff, Alice and fucking Michael of all people. Why wouldn't the delicate little flower daddy keeps hidden away and probably underinformed - because why waste effort on a worthless heir - not go for it? His friends are miniature super soldiers, both Dietz and Alice are promising him the formulas will cure him, and he's gets to help his family like his beloved Alice says is so important to dedicate her existence to it and a taste of that precious strength Michael says is the reason for his existence.
Klaus' descent into being a prick came after, as he went from nothing to second-in-command of the Aldains. As a result he underwent tutelage under the morally bankrupt to be the kind of monster a role like that entails. He internalised what he was taught by those he was surrounded by, both during and before the betrayal. Kid Klaus didn't talk about superiority justifying seeing others as worthless, Danica did. Kid Klaus didn't worship strength, nor did he have any ambitions to carry his family on his back or delude himself into thinking being stronger would bring people who forsook you crawling back if you just had enough of it; the former came from Michael, the latter two Alice. Kid Klaus didn't have rapist tendencies, Dietz did.
Adult Klaus a synthesis, a dark reflection of some of the greyer characters we've come to accept - even love - and a carrier of the will of a character we now hate so much more than before. None of this absolves him for what he did, doesn't change the beast he became, and indeed doesn't change the fact that he doubled down every time he was called out. That he refused to ever accept responsibility for what his actions caused. But it does make saying kid klaus knew what would happen feel disingenuous, and the idea that he felt no remorse ever wrong. Even as an adult, he seems to know he's just making excuses, as his dialogue box shows he genuinely pauses when Markus makes an effective rebuttal to his claim that the Aldermans exploited the Aldains, before doubling down one last time.
Klaus is not a one-dimensional backstabbing snake of a villain who knew what he was doing from the start. In the end, he died with an apology on his lips as he looked at Alice whilst fading, the narration stating he regained his humanity for one final moment. You can't regain something if you never had it to begin with.
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Do the CGs style change? I'm seeing a "different" kind of them than the one in the screenshots.
Do the CGs style change? I'm seeing a "different" kind of them than the one in the screenshots.
The style improves as you get further in the game. Earlier CGs and skill checks will be redone on update 1.0, though that's a while away. The story is well worth it though; this is one of those games that could stand on its own even even without the pornography.
Yes this is the creators first game and his style has evolved and improved during the journey of creating this game. In the 1.0 complete game the earlier graphics is to be upgraded. Apparently most of this updated graphics is already created and he just need to put it in.
I understand the confusion though. Every time I do a rerun I´m always like "Damn I remembered it to be janky but not at this level".
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Yes, the early 35% of the game is his old art, he improved a lot from 2021 to 2024. He will update the early game art in 1.0. Hopefully at the end of the year.
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Brother, even if it doesn't seem like it, it's a bit of a spoiler for someone that hasn't even played it.
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Sure it's not. I'm waiting for you to prove your interpretation. It should be very easy after all because you are referencing the true story and not my fantasy.
A few snippets that break down your arguments,
Good luck in advance.
Klaus being manipulated by his father through omission (assuming that Dietz indeed wanted to destroy the Aldermans and kill Marcus).
Father "What is that!?"
Klaus "N-nothing."
Father "Give that to me!!"
Klaus "But-"
Father "NOW!!!"
"He snatched it straight from my hands. My cure, the medicine Alice risked so much to get for me."
Father "Where did you get this!!!"
Klaus "F-from Alice.... She said it might help fix me!"
Father "Alice...."
Father "Haha...."
Father "HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!"
"It was strange, strange to hear my always serious father, laugh. I don't think I had ever seen him that happy before, not around me. But what happened next was even stranger."
Klaus "F-Father?"
Father "Well done my son!! Well done!! I never even imagined that you, you of all people, would be the one to deliver this to me."
"For the first time in my life, my father praised me. After 14 years of being a disappointment, after 14 years of being a burden, I was finally useful to my father."
"It felt.... good, it felt so good. All I could think was: "
Klaus "(Is this what Alice tries so hard for? Is this why Alice always does her best?)"
Klaus "(To be strong, for the sake of your family...)"
Father "If we trade him this, we're in!! No more bootlicking, no more scrounging for scraps at the Alderman table!"
Father "Son, do you think you can get some more?"
Klaus "Huh?"
Father "There's another type, a different formula that I need you to get for me!"
Klaus "Well..."
Father "If you can get that formula, I'll have everything that I need. I can have your body fixed and so much more."
Klaus "W-what!? You can do that?"
Father "Yes! No more coughing, no more sickness. You'll be healthy, you'll be strong. Stronger than anyone."
Klaus "(I'll be... strong?)"
Father "For the sake of our family, we need that formula Klaus. Can I count on you son?"
Klaus "I... Yes father. I won't let you down, I promise."
Father "That's my boy."
Klaus saying that Marcus was the aggressor.
Alice "Why not? We were good to you, to your family! We saved you!"
Klaus "It's not about that. We just... We want to stand on our own now. To stand strong."
Alice "Right, stand."
Alice "Stand over the corpses of my father and I."
Klaus "No!"
Alice "It's because of you that he's in the hospital! Your guys attacked us! Your guys shot him!"
Klaus "N-no. He just tried to stop us and..."
Klaus still being madly in love with Alice, indicating that he wanted to prove himself to her, adopting her reasons for fighting.
"It felt.... good, it felt so good. All I could think was: "
Klaus "(Is this what Alice tries so hard for? Is this why Alice always does her best?)"
Klaus "(To be strong, for the sake of your family...)"
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Klaus "Why can't you understand Alice! It was for the sake of my family, just like you said!!"
Klaus "*cough* Alice! Alice wait!!!"
"Why? Why couldn't she understand. We just wanted to be strong..."
"I just wanted to be strong... For my family... and for you."
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Danica "Forget about her kid. I don't know who that little girl is, but humans like her are beneath us."
Klaus "Not her. Not Alice."
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14 year old Klaus did not plan it all out, no.
But when his dad asked him to betray his friends and get him more doses, he did.
And that was just the start, that is the key part.
Yes he was a kid when it started.
But did he show remorse and try to make things right? no.
he doubled down on it going forwards. he justified himself.
And then he got way way worse.
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Damn, game cheater for fuck! Every time he's trying to screw me. I wanted to "Embrace" Amber, but I didn't have that option and my corruption was only at level 31.
In addition to this drop, there are several other moments when I have enough power, skill or made the right choices, but the game still makes me catch the worst possible ending.
In addition to this drop, there are several other moments when I have enough power, skill or made the right choices, but the game still makes me catch the worst possible ending.
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You bolded the line where his father snatched the dose out of his hand. while underplaying the line a few lines down where 14 year old klaus agrees to betray the girl who just went through so much to give him a cure. So that his dad can sell it for an even better cure.
here:
sure, he did not INITIALLY plan to betray alice.
Alice gave him a cure and he planned to use the cure.
But then his father snatched it from his hand, asked him what it was for, and asked 14 year old klaus to betray alice and in return for that betrayal klaus will get an even better cure and become strong.
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this is a classic abuser line.
"she made me hit her"
Also at this point Klaus is a superhuman and his family is already at the top.
where he ordered a hit on alice's family who were way weaker.
And you are also glossing over how he justifies his family betraying those who have helped his family before so they can rise above them. returning kindness with backstabbing.
He could have said "I am sorry, my dad decided to do that, and he was wrong"... except, he couldn't really because at that point his dad was already retired and he was the head of his family.
His twisted views of love are irrelvant.
Here you show that Klaus firmly believes he did nothing wrong.
This is him showing no remorse and seeing no problem with his actions.
Maybe you will get it better with a fiction analogy?
... how about... kartman from south park?
You notice how kartman is shown as believing in his own bullshit? How every time he "recalls" a scene it changes to show himself at a better light?
When Klaus goes "I just wanted to be strong for my family and you" and so on, he is showing zero remorse for betraying her. and insisting he was justified all along.
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Sounds like you havent updated to the latest version yet. The corruption check was raised to 40, among other things. If you have trouble hitting power/skill checks, might be worth it to check out the guide or the multi-mod.
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I don't see why Klaus is getting any love lol.He was a good son and a shitty person,a shitty friend,a shitty teammate he didn't care much about Oscar and Danica anyways so he would be a shitty ally for mc as well lol,a person with rapist tendencies,a shitty boss too,He had everything handed to him he didn't work for shit his skills were lousy asf for his powers,he couldn't manage the mafia without his father as he told how incompetent he was in that regard and thought Alice was a bum like him lol.Lastly a lot of people have regrets and remorse when they die doesn't mean shit. It means they lost and now they feel remorse .It simply means he had regrets because he lost lol not because of any other reason pretty convenient right.To sum up he was handed everything and yet he was incompetent asf in comparison to his peers and I am not even going to talk about how deluded he was lol.He was a cool villian your starter type villian a good stepping stone with cool powers and some backstory and that's about it.
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spot on.
He is only regretting having lost, his dying thoughts are literally him insisting he did nothing wrong.
his dying thoughts are:
> "I just wanted to be strong... For my family... and for you."
translation "I was the good guy and did nothing wrong. why kill me?"
instead of
> "I am so sorry alice. I shouldn't have done this to you"
which would have been an actual pre-death regret. still tainted by the fact he only regrets because of losing and dying... but it didn't even happen.