That doesn't mean ANYTHING, because it's a dead end. It means we get no choices after that, which as far as I'm concerned means we're dead.
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Ella herself tried to manifest a second trait while under the watchful eye of Memory herself.
Why would she want to do something bad to herself?
Memory may just want to train MC and to expedite his evolution and connect him to the higher plane. We know that she is the orchestrator of the whole half and half thing from Syla.
We have no idea what the end game is, we don't even know if Ella's plan for MC is the same as Memory's. But there are many conflicting pieces of information that make it high unlikely MC is just a lamb to the slaughter.
Ella wants MC to get strong and involves Memory.
Syla wants MC to get strong and involves Memory.
Ella wanted to manifest the twin traits and Memory rejected her.
So if MC is supposed to be a sacrificial lamb, then it means that his mother wants that, Ella who is looking for her "one" wants that, and Ella was prepared to sacrifice herself for whatever Memory is planning. It just doesn't compute.
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'Redeem' would imply he did anything wrong for his interests. He didn't. His family was covertly opposed to Alices and Klaus only found out after he was used. There's nothing to redeem when you are simply being ambitious for your family. This brought him into conflict with Alice when she refused to submit to that ambition.They need to add clapping as a reaction in on here cause that's very well put. Very clear and correct. Feel bad for how his life went but he never redeemed himself when he was alive.
Who the heck would even defend Klaus ?
They were always opposed interests, so I don't understand why anyone thinks Klaus NEEDED to be redeemed. He fought and he lost. I respect that immensely. Most people don't even try.
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So when the Dev himself tells you it's different it still doesn't mean anything?Well to each their own my guy.
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I kind of wonder if it might be the other way around, and Ella is planning on sacrificing herself. Or maybe already has, since she's been dead for quite a few updates. But describing her Chosen as "the person I can entrust with all my dreams. The person who I can give everything to. The person who will take everything from me", that doesn't sound to me like the romantic union that Cole interpreted it as. Not with that last sentence, the "take everything" makes it seem much more final to me. I think that sounds more like someone talking about leaving a legacy behind for an inheritor.
Maybe the idea is for the MC to inherit Ella's mission. Like Ella planned for her death to advance her plans somehow, and then instead of her coming back she was expecting the MC to take over from her. She did say that she thinks he'll eventually come along to her side. And it explains why the Ella Doll asked if the MC was her Chosen, because if he was the one taking over the job he'd be expected to wake the Doll for help.
Maybe the idea is for the MC to inherit Ella's mission. Like Ella planned for her death to advance her plans somehow, and then instead of her coming back she was expecting the MC to take over from her. She did say that she thinks he'll eventually come along to her side. And it explains why the Ella Doll asked if the MC was her Chosen, because if he was the one taking over the job he'd be expected to wake the Doll for help.
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No definitely Cole isn't anybody's favorite person even within their group, Zara is the only person on the planet that wants to bang him and even she seems to understand he isn't a very likable person. Cole and Shen definitely have a hate-bonner for each other as they compete for the role of "big bro" of the group. While Briar seems very passive and non-combative in the whole thing.
Yet going through the troublesome childhood that they did there seems to have formed a deep bond between the group. Despite Shen and Cole repeatedly arguing amongst themselves and with Cole trying to impose his dominance over Shen and the others. With Shen and Cole both talking about their Evolution Levels and powers against each other there are no instances of them ever openly fighting against each other like there is between Cole and Charlie.
I guess I'd say the group is a strange mix, being on the verge of collapse because their growth is so stunted. Even with their minds aging and their bodies evolving none of them really behave like grown men but instead are quite childish and brash.
It might also largely be because of Ella, they wouldn't dare fight amongst themselves and actually hurt someone in the group cause they can't bare the thought of how ashamed they would feel when Big Sis found out about it ? Even after her death most of them seem to believe she will be back. They are as a group devoted to her.
Even Cole is his usual MEGA douche self to her during their first few meetings as children but eventually ends up opening simping to her while still being an asshole.
I am not saying they preplanned this but usually whenever there is any prison break type scenario and a group of inmates escape their captors they usually split up almost instantly after getting out to make themselves harder to track and improve the chances of most of them escaping even if one or two of them do get chased down and recaptured.Them escaping in groups of 2's is kinda weird maybe it was just how Circumstances allowed them to escape ? Maybe Shen was in-charge of Briar while Cole was in-charge of Zara ? Maybe they were supposed to make sure their charges made it out with them ? Or maybe in their usual retarded fashion instead of properly planning Cole and Shen just had a dumbass moment and ended up fighting and splitting up cause neither of them wanted to follow the other's lead and while Shen dragged Briar away with him Zara got in trouble cause she couldn't decisively chose between them who to follow ? This is all speculation btw.
Shen's bitterness would make sense since Unlike Cole Shen's nature doesn't seem to allow him to openly be an asshole like Cole... while Cole has the release of just being an obnoxious cunt, Shen has to actually try to behave like an adult which would cause him to harbor feelings of resentment which would fester into bitterness since he cannot release them in any healthy manner. Probably best way for Shen to release them would be for him to either also start behaving like Cole which he doesn't seem to want to do. Or to actually do what the MC did and punch Cole in his fucking mouth really fucking hard. which again would probably not something Big Sis would look upon very favorably ...
Hence why Shen probably feels trapped in his role in the group, He can't just leave them and Cole does nothing to help make things easy for him so he does have bitterness or resentment inside him.
When Shen saw MC standing over Cole as Cole lay there coughing up blood while MC picked his teeth out of his fist Shen probably secretly felt jealous too but he still couldn't let MC kill Cole cause Shen still wants to be a candidate for Big Bro of the group at-least till Big Sis gets back.
I guarantee he Secretly feels things would be better if Cole just left or suddenly decided to become quiet and obedient.
TL;DR : it's a complicated Love+Hate relationship, they are a weird family that is on the verge of chocking or fucking each other
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Ambition = desire and determination to achieve success.
Notice how it doesn't say Desire to stab the competition to death so you can be successful by default ? You don't go around cutting the throat of anyone who has a better phone than you just so you can have their phone ?
Also Committing a Crime against a Criminal is STILL committing a crime... the Law will not congratulate you for going to the house of a murderer and stealing all his shit.
In-fact if you are a criminal and you gain the trust of another criminal only to betray them and take over all the crime in the area... that just makes you a Bigger offender !
WORDS Have specific meanings ... you can't just call an "Orange" a "hat" just because it suits your purposes.
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This can't be true. Dream Ella is shocked to find out that MC was the one who woke the doll up. The one-eyed swordmonster was the one supposed to wake him up.
Doll "There you are lazy guts. I was expecting to see your ugly face when I woke up!"
Unknown "....."
Doll "Why didn't you wake me?"
For the rest of your theory, there is some overlap with my ideas but for the MC to take over, he needs to become stronger than her. This is mentioned by both her and Deus. It's obviously way too early for such things. Hell, Doll thinks she's gonna be stranded in the monster world for 100 years and while she is angry, she looks inconvenienced, not someone who's dreams were shattered. What will happen to Earth in 100 years with the Chosen on the warpath, the Black Moon risen and the Apostles on their way? Will there even be an Earth for her to return to?
The alt-humans had their version of the big trio too, they still lost.
So whatever sacrificial plans she may had, it doesn't feel like this is the right time.
So I'm at the part where you invade Ella's base and encounter Aglaewif(big titty monster that you "choose" to impregnate) if you pick "left" in the tunnel, I'm on a skill/purity playthrough and I picked out "the eye" earlier as a reward, Now I can get two choices +10 power, 3+ to skill or answers to some interesting questions.
Should I just take the powerups or do those question's answers have a major impact later on?
Should I just take the powerups or do those question's answers have a major impact later on?
I believe it's just lore/info you wouldn't get otherwise or possibly until later.
Just save and get all the info, and then go back and continue with the power-ups.
That's what I did.
MC won't know that stuff, but you will, and it's good for context and theory-fuel.
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MC doesn't make use of the Lore at any point so far. So just get the powerups.
Do note that whatever you ask Aglaecwif about, you can also get Valravn's input later. So if you want to see all the content, it's more convenient to cheat instead of creating 3 branching playthroughs.
You can open the game/scripts/day99.rpy and game/scripts/eventshero.rpy files and read the lore.
Del being another clone was a dumb twist, nobody higher up at the hero base saw they look EXACTLY the same as Deryl?
The story is mostly fantastic, but there's some little plot holes sometimes in it.
The story is mostly fantastic, but there's some little plot holes sometimes in it.
The dude who can see all the possible timelines at once probably said he was cool and they trust him.
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How do you figure this is a plot hole? Deryl isn't some popular guy that HERO should know about. Even Xanthe didn't know that the monster was Monsterfied Deryl because MC and the Clone hid it from him. Also Del was always hiding from him.
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Ah, good point, this isn't the expected the course of events. Though the Doll still jumped to asking if he was her Chosen, so her Chosen is the next most likely to wake her if the one eyed monster doesn't. So I think the idea still has some merit. Though I agree that Ella isn't expecting the MC to take over from her so soon. As you say, he's got a lot of growing to do still. She may or may not have planned to die this soon, but she definitely didn't plan for the MC to take up her mission until a lot more time has passed.
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I just remembered this, back when Amber tried to touch monster world water and the water just avoided her something happened:
Mc and Deryl were talking and Amber seemed distracted by something (she seems to be looking away).
When Deryl calls her she is surprised, like she wasn't paying attention.
And when returning Mc thinks about how she is acting strange.
Now all of this is a little strange but nothing much, sure she might be thinking about why the hell the water avoids her, or anything really, however:
During the party if Mc tells about hearing voices Ella explains that it's normal, and everyone also remember their own interactions with the voices, Michael, Alice and Deryl say they heard them before and are quite nonchalant about it however:
Amber is the only one who doesn't say anything.
Now the reason i brought this up is because i started to wonder, what if Amber was hearing a voice back in the water and was distracted by it, after being called by Deryl she started to think about whatever she heard.
When Ella explains the voices everyone agrees that they heard them before but rarely, could it be that it's different for her and that's why she didn't say anything about it like the others ?
Then i remembered that Amber was still alive after Liz "died" during her infection, she was transported to where Great Ocean was and "died"after seeing it.
This made me think that maybe Amber was infected by Great Ocean itself and that she could also have a stronger or maybe just different connection with it, yes i know it's a giant stretch with too little information but what do you guys think ?
Mc and Deryl were talking and Amber seemed distracted by something (she seems to be looking away).
When Deryl calls her she is surprised, like she wasn't paying attention.
And when returning Mc thinks about how she is acting strange.
Now all of this is a little strange but nothing much, sure she might be thinking about why the hell the water avoids her, or anything really, however:
During the party if Mc tells about hearing voices Ella explains that it's normal, and everyone also remember their own interactions with the voices, Michael, Alice and Deryl say they heard them before and are quite nonchalant about it however:
Amber is the only one who doesn't say anything.
Now the reason i brought this up is because i started to wonder, what if Amber was hearing a voice back in the water and was distracted by it, after being called by Deryl she started to think about whatever she heard.
When Ella explains the voices everyone agrees that they heard them before but rarely, could it be that it's different for her and that's why she didn't say anything about it like the others ?
Then i remembered that Amber was still alive after Liz "died" during her infection, she was transported to where Great Ocean was and "died"after seeing it.
This made me think that maybe Amber was infected by Great Ocean itself and that she could also have a stronger or maybe just different connection with it, yes i know it's a giant stretch with too little information but what do you guys think ?
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The Great Ocean angle was my first theory about Amber and I still fully expect it to become a reality. I also like your idea about Amber's absentmindedness.
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I think it's plausible. Tanos outright says that energy absorption is not an inherent power of the Strength Eaters, but something else. I've got a theory that it's a result of symbiosis with the Great Ocean, something they're channeling from it. Amber being ascended by the Great Ocean would also explain why Amber has water manipulation and transformation powers. Strength Eaters don't do that, but those are the powers you'd expect from a living ocean monster. So yeah, Amber actually being descended from the Great Ocean and not a Strength Eater makes a lot of sense.
My theory is that she was supposed to become an avatar for the 3rd and 4th's faction, but she failed to manifest the memory so they tasked her to find someone suitable, and the MC fits the bill in her vision, so he would be possessed as an avatar like in the ending with the Eye. Ella herself seemed to be possessed during her slaughter of the high school auditorium, she had to use everything she had to spare Christie, so it's not farfetched that the Apostles are looking for strong bodies to control among their spawns.
Syla says that the 4th would probably kill the MC on sight if she saw the sorry state his memory trait is compared to the body trait, which at first glance is a direct contradiction of Ella's evaluation of him. But perhaps it's because of the fact that the MC evolved his body trait too much so at the moment he is no longer suitable to become the avatar they desire, which explains why Ella no longer knocks you out when she finds out about the full extent your abilities later in the story, so she needs to wait until you balance out your traits again by getting stronger memories.
Lastly, let's not forget the prophecy the Truth monster gave the MC, to not believe the lies of the 3rd and the 4th's chosens, implying that both Ella and Syla are either lying through their teeth and/or are delusional in their efforts. And apparently, MC's body will be remade and his soul killed before being cleaved from the 3rd and 4th, giving more credibility to the possession angle.
- Jul 7, 2017
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Depends on what the definition of sacrificial lamb is in this case; don't forget that MC's mom is ancient and served memory for many lifetimes so her idea of sacrifice could be very different. Say for example it was because Body and Memory wanted an avatar on the mortal plain that they could inhabit indefinitely at the same time without it being destroyed? MC would lose everything and become a slave trapped in his own flesh but from the preservative of a fanatical follower of either Body or Memory it would be the highest honor.