VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.996 Public] [WeirdWorld]

[adanu]

Yep.
Ella getting MC to Memory doesn't necessary mean that something bad will happen to MC.
Deadend6 has issues. Most people think that Ella kills MC, I don't. I think it's the same as deadend3.

And this is based on what? We know in both endings you die. The first time by another creature, and the second time by Ella herself. They are called DEAD ENDS.

 

[Gtdead]

And this is based on what? We know in both endings you die. The first time by another creature, and the second time by Ella herself. They are called DEAD ENDS.

What even is this argument?
So if I cross the road and a car hits and kills me, does that mean the driver was trying to sacrifice me?

The intend is what matters, not the result, especially when the actor was completely irrelevant to what Ella and Memory were trying to do.
Why didn't Ella just sacrifice MC during the last training event before the mall? The catgirl one? What's the explanation?

 

[Sayajin2205]

And this is based on what? We know in both endings you die. The first time by another creature, and the second time by Ella herself. They are called DEAD ENDS.

Weird already said in that second dead end Ella doesn't kill the mc when the mc tells her about his memory powers.

 

[New Kid]

Weird already said in that second dead end Ella doesn't kill the mc when the mc tells her about his memory powers.

She probably knocks him out to sacrifice him then?

 

[Sayajin2205]

She probably knocks him out to sacrifice him then?

We don't know but weird hinted it's different from that and didn't want to say more because it would be major spoilers.

 

[New Kid]

We don't know but weird hinted it's different from that and didn't want to say more because it would be major spoilers.

Maybe she is trying to turn him into an avatar for the Apostles? Like what happens when the Eye takes over during the battle of Diamonds but with the 3rd and the 4th in control?

 

[Gtdead]

Ok, let's compile some info so we can be on the same level.

Deadend3: MC is "perfect", with both traits and the "perfect amount of human mutation" so Ella takes him to Memory. At least MC and Memory's avatar die, perhaps Ella too although we don't know.

Day12: Ella tells us that of her 4 "Chosen", two failed, 1 is pathetic and MC is the only one with potential. The only thing all 4 have in common that I can discern, is that they are male and rare specimens (MC and Jake are Apostlespawn, James and Kenny are male Minyaks).

Deadend6: MC showcases his memory trait and Ella slaps him either dead or unconscious after calling him "perfect from the start".

Train33: Ella is apprehensive when MC asks her if she's planning to kill him. The only thing that hints to the danger of whatever her plan is for him, is the "unless..." word, which she quickly takes back like she doesn't even want to think about it.

Deadend37: Ella is sad to see MC monsterfying/possessed/whatever that union is. It's unknown if she knows about the Eye but I think it should be obvious that MC is currently exceedingly strong.

Day99: Aglaecwif tells us that Ella had hopes for Jake to inherit Order. MC can potentially inherit Evolution. Spawn with these powers are supposed to be exceptional.

Day117: Ella Doll awakens and asks MC if he is her "chosen".

Day135: Cole flashback tells us that Ella wants a "Chosen" that "she will give everything to".
Day135: Cole flashback tells us that Ella has found her "Chosen" in MC

So I'm really not sure where this sacrifice thing comes from. I'd entertain it a year back, but the info doesn't point to sacrifice. The only truly problematic one is deadend6, I asked WW about it and he said that expanding this deadend will give away spoilers. Everything else points to her wanting MC to be alive and his best version for her.

 

[New Kid]

Ok, let's compile some info so we can be on the same level.

Deadend3: MC is "perfect", with both traits and the "perfect amount of human mutation" so Ella takes him to Memory. At least MC and Memory's avatar die, perhaps Ella too although we don't know.

Day12: Ella tells us that of her 4 "Chosen", two failed, 1 is pathetic and MC is the only one with potential. The only thing all 4 have in common that I can discern, is that they are male and rare specimens (MC and Jake are Apostlespawn, James and Kenny are male Minyaks).

Deadend6: MC showcases his memory trait and Ella slaps him either dead or unconscious after calling him "perfect from the start".

Train33: Ella is apprehensive when MC asks her if she's planning to kill him. The only thing that hints to the danger of whatever her plan is for him, is the "unless..." word, which she quickly takes back like she doesn't even want to think about it.

Deadend37: Ella is sad to see MC monsterfying/possessed/whatever that union is. It's unknown if she knows about the Eye but I think it should be obvious that MC is currently exceedingly strong.

Day117: Ella Doll awakens and asks MC if he is her "chosen".

Day135: Cole flashback tells us that Ella wants a "Chosen" that "she will give everything to".
Day135: Cole flashback tells us that Ella has found her "Chosen" in MC

So I'm really not sure where this sacrifice thing comes from. I'd entertain it a year back, but the info doesn't point to sacrifice. The only truly problematic one is deadend6, I asked WW about it and he said that expanding this deadend will give away spoilers. Everything else points to her wanting MC to be alive and his best version for her.

Well, at the very least it shouldn't be anything good for the MC, or she wouldn't be saying things like "it's a shame you are so perfect so we won't have long together" before doing whatever she wanted to do to him in those bad ends... probably he would end up losing himself after transforming into a higher being or something along those lines(actually, the Eye says "thank you for the sacrifice" IIRC when you agree with his deal no?).

 

[adanu]

Weird already said in that second dead end Ella doesn't kill the mc when the mc tells her about his memory powers.

That doesn't mean ANYTHING, because it's a dead end. It means we get no choices after that, which as far as I'm concerned means we're dead.

 

[Gtdead]

Well, at the very least it shouldn't be anything good for the MC, or she wouldn't be saying things like "it's a shame you are so perfect so we won't have long together" before doing whatever she wanted to do to him in those bad ends... probably he would end up losing himself after transforming into a higher being or something along those lines(actually, the Eye says "thank you for the sacrifice" IIRC when you agree with his deal no?).

Ella herself tried to manifest a second trait while under the watchful eye of Memory herself.
Why would she want to do something bad to herself?

Memory may just want to train MC and to expedite his evolution and connect him to the higher plane. We know that she is the orchestrator of the whole half and half thing from Syla.

We have no idea what the end game is, we don't even know if Ella's plan for MC is the same as Memory's. But there are many conflicting pieces of information that make it high unlikely MC is just a lamb to the slaughter.

Ella wants MC to get strong and involves Memory.
Syla wants MC to get strong and involves Memory.
Ella wanted to manifest the twin traits and Memory rejected her.

So if MC is supposed to be a sacrificial lamb, then it means that his mother wants that, Ella who is looking for her "one" wants that, and Ella was prepared to sacrifice herself for whatever Memory is planning. It just doesn't compute.

 

[adanu]

They need to add clapping as a reaction in on here cause that's very well put. Very clear and correct. Feel bad for how his life went but he never redeemed himself when he was alive.

Who the heck would even defend Klaus ?

'Redeem' would imply he did anything wrong for his interests. He didn't. His family was covertly opposed to Alices and Klaus only found out after he was used. There's nothing to redeem when you are simply being ambitious for your family. This brought him into conflict with Alice when she refused to submit to that ambition.

They were always opposed interests, so I don't understand why anyone thinks Klaus NEEDED to be redeemed. He fought and he lost. I respect that immensely. Most people don't even try.

 

[Sayajin2205]

That doesn't mean ANYTHING, because it's a dead end. It means we get no choices after that, which as far as I'm concerned means we're dead.

So when the Dev himself tells you it's different it still doesn't mean anything?Well to each their own my guy.

 

[Dinoflaggelate]

I kind of wonder if it might be the other way around, and Ella is planning on sacrificing herself. Or maybe already has, since she's been dead for quite a few updates. But describing her Chosen as "the person I can entrust with all my dreams. The person who I can give everything to. The person who will take everything from me", that doesn't sound to me like the romantic union that Cole interpreted it as. Not with that last sentence, the "take everything" makes it seem much more final to me. I think that sounds more like someone talking about leaving a legacy behind for an inheritor.

Maybe the idea is for the MC to inherit Ella's mission. Like Ella planned for her death to advance her plans somehow, and then instead of her coming back she was expecting the MC to take over from her. She did say that she thinks he'll eventually come along to her side. And it explains why the Ella Doll asked if the MC was her Chosen, because if he was the one taking over the job he'd be expected to wake the Doll for help.

 

[Zeca Suez]

There are a few things that make me doubt how tight this group really is. Perhaps I'm reaching, but this is what I got:
1. Cole is always shown to be the offender.
2. When the kids tried to escape HERO, they were split. Shen and Briar had already left, while Zara seemed to get into trouble and Cole went back to save her. Perhaps that was part of their tactic, but I'd expect a group that has been together for years to stick together and have each other's backs.
3. Shen in the previous update seemed very bitter about how Cole treated him in the past. This isn't the emotion I'd expect to see in a "sibling rivarly" type of relationship. Anger, dickmeasuring, outrageous threats, sure. But bitterness? This generally points to abuse.
4. The kids are in a very tight spot. Ella is dead and can't guide them and they try to follow her steps and whatever instructions she has given them while hoping that if they do, she will come back to them. Shen actually mentions that holding MC captive may somehow cause Ella to come back to them faster. Cole constantly messes with that status quo by trying to be "the one". If I had to guess who the kids like more between Cole and Ella, I think Ella is the obvious answer. In a sense, Cole taking such a beating could even be advantageous to them in the long run. The kids know that Ella wants to give "everything" to her chosen (it may be true, it may be not, but that's what they know). Taking MC away from her could put her whole plan in jeopardy as far as they know.

And yes you are correct, Stockholm Syndrome refers to kidnappings which is why I said "kinda". After all Cole acts like the leader of that group and since the outsiders identify them as such, his actions reflect on all of them, so I thought about it as him holding their existences captive in a sense.

No definitely Cole isn't anybody's favorite person even within their group, Zara is the only person on the planet that wants to bang him and even she seems to understand he isn't a very likable person. Cole and Shen definitely have a hate-bonner for each other as they compete for the role of "big bro" of the group. While Briar seems very passive and non-combative in the whole thing.

Yet going through the troublesome childhood that they did there seems to have formed a deep bond between the group. Despite Shen and Cole repeatedly arguing amongst themselves and with Cole trying to impose his dominance over Shen and the others. With Shen and Cole both talking about their Evolution Levels and powers against each other there are no instances of them ever openly fighting against each other like there is between Cole and Charlie.

I guess I'd say the group is a strange mix, being on the verge of collapse because their growth is so stunted. Even with their minds aging and their bodies evolving none of them really behave like grown men but instead are quite childish and brash.

It might also largely be because of Ella, they wouldn't dare fight amongst themselves and actually hurt someone in the group cause they can't bare the thought of how ashamed they would feel when Big Sis found out about it ? Even after her death most of them seem to believe she will be back. They are as a group devoted to her.
Even Cole is his usual MEGA douche self to her during their first few meetings as children but eventually ends up opening simping to her while still being an asshole.

2. When the kids tried to escape HERO, they were split. Shen and Briar had already left, while Zara seemed to get into trouble and Cole went back to save her. Perhaps that was part of their tactic, but I'd expect a group that has been together for years to stick together and have each other's backs.

I am not saying they preplanned this but usually whenever there is any prison break type scenario and a group of inmates escape their captors they usually split up almost instantly after getting out to make themselves harder to track and improve the chances of most of them escaping even if one or two of them do get chased down and recaptured.

Them escaping in groups of 2's is kinda weird maybe it was just how Circumstances allowed them to escape ? Maybe Shen was in-charge of Briar while Cole was in-charge of Zara ? Maybe they were supposed to make sure their charges made it out with them ? Or maybe in their usual retarded fashion instead of properly planning Cole and Shen just had a dumbass moment and ended up fighting and splitting up cause neither of them wanted to follow the other's lead and while Shen dragged Briar away with him Zara got in trouble cause she couldn't decisively chose between them who to follow ? This is all speculation btw.

3. Shen in the previous update seemed very bitter about how Cole treated him in the past. This isn't the emotion I'd expect to see in a "sibling rivarly" type of relationship. Anger, dickmeasuring, outrageous threats, sure. But bitterness? This generally points to abuse.

Shen's bitterness would make sense since Unlike Cole Shen's nature doesn't seem to allow him to openly be an asshole like Cole... while Cole has the release of just being an obnoxious cunt, Shen has to actually try to behave like an adult which would cause him to harbor feelings of resentment which would fester into bitterness since he cannot release them in any healthy manner. Probably best way for Shen to release them would be for him to either also start behaving like Cole which he doesn't seem to want to do. Or to actually do what the MC did and punch Cole in his fucking mouth really fucking hard. which again would probably not something Big Sis would look upon very favorably ...
Hence why Shen probably feels trapped in his role in the group, He can't just leave them and Cole does nothing to help make things easy for him so he does have bitterness or resentment inside him.

When Shen saw MC standing over Cole as Cole lay there coughing up blood while MC picked his teeth out of his fist Shen probably secretly felt jealous too but he still couldn't let MC kill Cole cause Shen still wants to be a candidate for Big Bro of the group at-least till Big Sis gets back.
I guarantee he Secretly feels things would be better if Cole just left or suddenly decided to become quiet and obedient.

TL;DR : it's a complicated Love+Hate relationship, they are a weird family that is on the verge of chocking or fucking each other inbetween yelling at Briar to Speak UP cause nobody can hear him mumbling. Half of them wanna kill each other but can't cause they would look bad to the others.

 

[Zeca Suez]

'Redeem' would imply he did anything wrong for his interests. He didn't. His family was covertly opposed to Alices and Klaus only found out after he was used. There's nothing to redeem when you are simply being ambitious for your family. This brought him into conflict with Alice when she refused to submit to that ambition.

They were always opposed interests, so I don't understand why anyone thinks Klaus NEEDED to be redeemed. He fought and he lost. I respect that immensely. Most people don't even try.

Ambition = desire and determination to achieve success.

Notice how it doesn't say Desire to stab the competition to death so you can be successful by default ? You don't go around cutting the throat of anyone who has a better phone than you just so you can have their phone ?

Also Committing a Crime against a Criminal is STILL committing a crime... the Law will not congratulate you for going to the house of a murderer and stealing all his shit.
In-fact if you are a criminal and you gain the trust of another criminal only to betray them and take over all the crime in the area... that just makes you a Bigger offender !

WORDS Have specific meanings ... you can't just call an "Orange" a "hat" just because it suits your purposes.

 

[Gtdead]

I kind of wonder if it might be the other way around, and Ella is planning on sacrificing herself. Or maybe already has, since she's been dead for quite a few updates. But describing her Chosen as "the person I can entrust with all my dreams. The person who I can give everything to. The person who will take everything from me", that doesn't sound to me like the romantic union that Cole interpreted it as. Not with that last sentence, the "take everything" makes it seem much more final to me. I think that sounds more like someone talking about leaving a legacy behind for an inheritor.

Maybe the idea is for the MC to inherit Ella's mission. Like Ella planned for her death to advance her plans somehow, and then instead of her coming back she was expecting the MC to take over from her. She did say that she thinks he'll eventually come along to her side. *.And it explains why the Ella Doll asked if the MC was her Chosen, because if he was the one taking over the job he'd be expected to wake the Doll for help.

This can't be true. Dream Ella is shocked to find out that MC was the one who woke the doll up. The one-eyed swordmonster was the one supposed to wake him up.

Doll "There you are lazy guts. I was expecting to see your ugly face when I woke up!"
Unknown "....."
Doll "Why didn't you wake me?"

For the rest of your theory, there is some overlap with my ideas but for the MC to take over, he needs to become stronger than her. This is mentioned by both her and Deus. It's obviously way too early for such things. Hell, Doll thinks she's gonna be stranded in the monster world for 100 years and while she is angry, she looks inconvenienced, not someone who's dreams were shattered. What will happen to Earth in 100 years with the Chosen on the warpath, the Black Moon risen and the Apostles on their way? Will there even be an Earth for her to return to?

The alt-humans had their version of the big trio too, they still lost.

So whatever sacrificial plans she may had, it doesn't feel like this is the right time.

 

[Zoranian]

So I'm at the part where you invade Ella's base and encounter Aglaewif(big titty monster that you "choose" to impregnate) if you pick "left" in the tunnel, I'm on a skill/purity playthrough and I picked out "the eye" earlier as a reward, Now I can get two choices +10 power, 3+ to skill or answers to some interesting questions.


Should I just take the powerups or do those question's answers have a major impact later on?

 

[Abazzaba]

So I'm at the part where you invade Ella's base and encounter Aglaewif(big titty monster that you "choose" to impregnate) if you pick "left" in the tunnel, I'm on a skill/purity playthrough and I picked out "the eye" earlier as a reward, Now I can get two choices +10 power, 3+ to skill or answers to some interesting questions.


Should I just take the powerups or do those question's answers have a major impact later on?

I believe it's just lore/info you wouldn't get otherwise or possibly until later.
Just save and get all the info, and then go back and continue with the power-ups.
That's what I did.

MC won't know that stuff, but you will, and it's good for context and theory-fuel.

 

[Gtdead]

So I'm at the part where you invade Ella's base and encounter Aglaewif(big titty monster that you "choose" to impregnate) if you pick "left" in the tunnel, I'm on a skill/purity playthrough and I picked out "the eye" earlier as a reward, Now I can get two choices +10 power, 3+ to skill or answers to some interesting questions.


Should I just take the powerups or do those question's answers have a major impact later on?

MC doesn't make use of the Lore at any point so far. So just get the powerups.
Do note that whatever you ask Aglaecwif about, you can also get Valravn's input later. So if you want to see all the content, it's more convenient to cheat instead of creating 3 branching playthroughs.

You can open the game/scripts/day99.rpy and game/scripts/eventshero.rpy files and read the lore.

 

[Zoranian]

Del being another clone was a dumb twist, nobody higher up at the hero base saw they look EXACTLY the same as Deryl?
The story is mostly fantastic, but there's some little plot holes sometimes in it.