The dude who can see all the possible timelines at once probably said he was cool and they trust him.
- Thread starter WeirdWorld
- Start date
-
- Tags
- 2dcg anal sex big ass big tits bukkake creampie dilf exhibitionism futa/trans gay graphic violence group sex handjob harem horror humor interracial lactation lesbian male domination male protagonist masturbation multiple penetration netorare oral sex romance sex toys superpowers tentacles titfuck transformation trap vaginal sex virgin voyeurism
- Jul 13, 2021
- 922
- 5,739
How do you figure this is a plot hole? Deryl isn't some popular guy that HERO should know about. Even Xanthe didn't know that the monster was Monsterfied Deryl because MC and the Clone hid it from him. Also Del was always hiding from him.
- Apr 17, 2024
- 138
- 516
Ah, good point, this isn't the expected the course of events. Though the Doll still jumped to asking if he was her Chosen, so her Chosen is the next most likely to wake her if the one eyed monster doesn't. So I think the idea still has some merit. Though I agree that Ella isn't expecting the MC to take over from her so soon. As you say, he's got a lot of growing to do still. She may or may not have planned to die this soon, but she definitely didn't plan for the MC to take up her mission until a lot more time has passed.
- Jun 22, 2017
- 388
- 1,499
I just remembered this, back when Amber tried to touch monster world water and the water just avoided her something happened:
Mc and Deryl were talking and Amber seemed distracted by something (she seems to be looking away).
When Deryl calls her she is surprised, like she wasn't paying attention.
And when returning Mc thinks about how she is acting strange.
Now all of this is a little strange but nothing much, sure she might be thinking about why the hell the water avoids her, or anything really, however:
During the party if Mc tells about hearing voices Ella explains that it's normal, and everyone also remember their own interactions with the voices, Michael, Alice and Deryl say they heard them before and are quite nonchalant about it however:
Amber is the only one who doesn't say anything.
Now the reason i brought this up is because i started to wonder, what if Amber was hearing a voice back in the water and was distracted by it, after being called by Deryl she started to think about whatever she heard.
When Ella explains the voices everyone agrees that they heard them before but rarely, could it be that it's different for her and that's why she didn't say anything about it like the others ?
Then i remembered that Amber was still alive after Liz "died" during her infection, she was transported to where Great Ocean was and "died"after seeing it.
This made me think that maybe Amber was infected by Great Ocean itself and that she could also have a stronger or maybe just different connection with it, yes i know it's a giant stretch with too little information but what do you guys think ?
Mc and Deryl were talking and Amber seemed distracted by something (she seems to be looking away).
When Deryl calls her she is surprised, like she wasn't paying attention.
And when returning Mc thinks about how she is acting strange.
Now all of this is a little strange but nothing much, sure she might be thinking about why the hell the water avoids her, or anything really, however:
During the party if Mc tells about hearing voices Ella explains that it's normal, and everyone also remember their own interactions with the voices, Michael, Alice and Deryl say they heard them before and are quite nonchalant about it however:
Amber is the only one who doesn't say anything.
Now the reason i brought this up is because i started to wonder, what if Amber was hearing a voice back in the water and was distracted by it, after being called by Deryl she started to think about whatever she heard.
When Ella explains the voices everyone agrees that they heard them before but rarely, could it be that it's different for her and that's why she didn't say anything about it like the others ?
Then i remembered that Amber was still alive after Liz "died" during her infection, she was transported to where Great Ocean was and "died"after seeing it.
This made me think that maybe Amber was infected by Great Ocean itself and that she could also have a stronger or maybe just different connection with it, yes i know it's a giant stretch with too little information but what do you guys think ?
- Jul 13, 2021
- 922
- 5,739
The Great Ocean angle was my first theory about Amber and I still fully expect it to become a reality. I also like your idea about Amber's absentmindedness.
- Apr 17, 2024
- 138
- 516
I think it's plausible. Tanos outright says that energy absorption is not an inherent power of the Strength Eaters, but something else. I've got a theory that it's a result of symbiosis with the Great Ocean, something they're channeling from it. Amber being ascended by the Great Ocean would also explain why Amber has water manipulation and transformation powers. Strength Eaters don't do that, but those are the powers you'd expect from a living ocean monster. So yeah, Amber actually being descended from the Great Ocean and not a Strength Eater makes a lot of sense.
My theory is that she was supposed to become an avatar for the 3rd and 4th's faction, but she failed to manifest the memory so they tasked her to find someone suitable, and the MC fits the bill in her vision, so he would be possessed as an avatar like in the ending with the Eye. Ella herself seemed to be possessed during her slaughter of the high school auditorium, she had to use everything she had to spare Christie, so it's not farfetched that the Apostles are looking for strong bodies to control among their spawns.
Syla says that the 4th would probably kill the MC on sight if she saw the sorry state his memory trait is compared to the body trait, which at first glance is a direct contradiction of Ella's evaluation of him. But perhaps it's because of the fact that the MC evolved his body trait too much so at the moment he is no longer suitable to become the avatar they desire, which explains why Ella no longer knocks you out when she finds out about the full extent your abilities later in the story, so she needs to wait until you balance out your traits again by getting stronger memories.
Lastly, let's not forget the prophecy the Truth monster gave the MC, to not believe the lies of the 3rd and the 4th's chosens, implying that both Ella and Syla are either lying through their teeth and/or are delusional in their efforts. And apparently, MC's body will be remade and his soul killed before being cleaved from the 3rd and 4th, giving more credibility to the possession angle.
- Jul 7, 2017
- 631
- 1,607
Depends on what the definition of sacrificial lamb is in this case; don't forget that MC's mom is ancient and served memory for many lifetimes so her idea of sacrifice could be very different. Say for example it was because Body and Memory wanted an avatar on the mortal plain that they could inhabit indefinitely at the same time without it being destroyed? MC would lose everything and become a slave trapped in his own flesh but from the preservative of a fanatical follower of either Body or Memory it would be the highest honor.
confusing bug @ start of game, day 1 - spoilers ahead for folks who havent played yet...
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content.
Log in or register now.
- Jul 13, 2018
- 3,310
- 12,521
The problem with this is, you're overlooking what Doll Ella said in that quote. She makes the distinction quite clear. She said humans turned by monsters can inherit their genetic line and can sometimes get bouts of interaction with the Originator of said line. The monster and originator parts are specified for a reason.
The simplest way to point out what she's talking about is with Alice in that very scene itself.
Alice = Superhuman
Aos = Monster/Chosen
The 6th = Apostle/Originator
Alice is known to be turned by Aos. She's apart of his genetic line. However, on her 2nd Evolution she comes into contact with the 6th Apostle, the Originator of the entire line. That's what Ella is referring to here. We also know Amber and Liz were turned by Strength Eaters. If they were physically sent to the Great Ocean, why would they still be with Tanos? We know their spirit can be sent through their connection because of MC, but that doesn't mean they were turned by the Great Ocean.
So this doesn't mean Amber and Liz was turned by the Great Ocean. This just means they were turned by Strength Eaters that are high in hierarchy. Their compatibility and high connection allows Amber to see the Great Ocean. The Great Ocean is the Originator of the line, while it's monsters carry the genetic line. In simpler terms, Amber only sees the Great Ocean because she has high enough compatibility and status in the line to see it. It's the same thing that happens to Alice. Only that Amber got it on her first evolution/infection.
As for Amber being distracted this update. The Great Ocean is legit right there in front her. She's pretty much in the presence of her "God". Just like Ella and MC fear the "God" in the sky, Amber will feel close to hers in the ocean.
- Jun 26, 2018
- 1,511
- 1,543
I suspected they weren't both infected by the same monster either... from the battle of the diamonds we know that Undines and Strength Eaters are supposed to work very well together, they kept Malik busy for so long. So maybe Amber was infected by an Undine or something akin to that with similar abilities that compliment the powers of a strength eater. Maybe Tanos' hope was by fusing them together he might be able to create a sort of closed loop of a Strength eater that could almost endlessly empower itself with the support of an Undine or another similar Monster ?
It is so weird the way the waters of the monster world back away from her... same as the spiders that seemed to be afraid of Liz even before she used her power.
The water almost behaved like how Like charges repel each other ... but if their waters were the same they should be easier to mix not move away from one another. Maybe its to signify that Amber has command of her own water while the sea water on the planet belongs to a separate entity ?
And when Deryl calls Amber back she says she felt she was close to touching the water. Which does sound like she was maybe in a mini trance.
Hey again
Currently in the part when you follow Amber and Liz around in order to protect them, and in the free time I have I saw that there are new monster parts in the shop, which items should I prioritize? can I buy most/all? there's also the vortex stone the guide mentions but it's not there for some reason.
Currently in the part when you follow Amber and Liz around in order to protect them, and in the free time I have I saw that there are new monster parts in the shop, which items should I prioritize? can I buy most/all? there's also the vortex stone the guide mentions but it's not there for some reason.
- Apr 16, 2020
- 498
- 752
Vertex stone is for the next time you get to interact with the Shopkeep, that's all I can say without spoiling you much.
Also, just buy the most expensive one, depending on what path you are, buy what's the most suitable and gives you the most stats in your playthrough. GL.
- Oct 9, 2021
- 854
- 856
I'm not a fan of ren'py, but people say very good things about this game and there's also NTR as a bonus, I'll give it a try, wish me luck.
- Jun 22, 2017
- 388
- 1,499
So if i understand it right you think that Amber meeting Great Ocean was an immaterial thing through her connection with the originator of her monster line, and that it happened while she was still at the same lake Tanos sent them, well i honestly didn't have that impression.
I don't think we can say for certain that the twins were still physically at the same lake when Amber sees Great Ocean, plenty of the comments made by her at the time are about what she feels with her body and the process of "dying":
She feels both the blinding light and the hot water
Her eyes adjust to the light
Her eyesight fades due to the loss of blood and oxigen
She feels that she can't breath
Even if we take that some of those feeligs were due to her "real" location most things seem to be reactions to whatever the place Great Ocean was.
As for how they returned i don't think it would be a problem either to Great Ocean or any strenght eater to return them, the only thing we need to consider is purpose.
Also at this very moment there is a sound effect, it's not one of someone being bitten but instead seems like one of a power being used, i wonder if it's the sound of the strenght eater teleporting amber to Great Ocean
The sound is however different from both Liz and Nico's teleportation
Lastly i'm not sure if we can say for certain that Amber was infected by a strenght eater, her different power set could indicate that Great Ocean was the ond who did it, and this could be the case if she was sent to his dimension.
- Jul 13, 2021
- 922
- 5,739
You really don't have to make many assumptions for Foxglove powers. The way this works as explained by ingame and stream sources is:
1. Human is infected by a monster.
2. If the Human is genetically compatible he turns into a spawn. (Xanthe)
3. The Spawn inherits the best version of the trait that the monster is capable of passing. (WW stream)
4. The Spawn forms a connection to the originator of the line. (Ella, Xanthe)
5. Originators aren't monsters. Getting infected by them is different. (WW Stream)
6. A spawn can become an "inheritor" (possibly meaning Chosen but it may be something else) if the Originator wills it (Alice's evolution)
What Amber saw is highly likely to be the Great Ocean, but the most plausible assumption is that she didn't interact with him. She just had a vision through their connection similar to how it works during evolutions and the powers she has manifested are Strength Eater powers and not Great Ocean powers.
The simplest prediction is that the Foxgloves will inherit power from the Great Ocean, not abilities.
Unless the Great Ocean can somehow "upgrade" their trait. However I think that spawn evolutions are better than what Originators can come up with and this is based on Ella, Syla and the latest memory trance snippets.
Last edited:
- Oct 9, 2021
- 854
- 856
Straight up definition of "come for the porn, stay for the plot"
- Jul 28, 2017
- 440
- 3,066
- Mar 6, 2019
- 268
- 114
Does anyone know the best option for helping out Tiffanny??
Money?
Love?
Body?
Sister? (Lowkey eager to press it)
Power?
Money?
Love?
Body?
Sister? (Lowkey eager to press it)
Power?
To attempt to keep this spoiler light, It seems that for the time being the answer is Power. Later down the line it'll result in her giving you items worth 30 Power. You don't really need the extra relationship points choosing Money could potentially give you for any stat checks, and though there will be stat buffing items available for purchase later, you should be able to earn the cash to buy them as long as you perform available jobs first.